Building a 6-speed from scratch.

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A few years ago @Honcho sent me an article in Japanese talking about converting a 5 speed transmission to a 6 speed while reusing some parts such as the bell housing and diff and replacing everything else. I started down that path, then after ordering a bunch of the parts, realized that it would actually be way cheaper to just build a 6 speed from scratch and sell the original R spec 5 speed afterwards. (but lets be real it will just end up mothballed in storage somewhere since I'm a NSX parts hoarder at this point)

The nice thing about a from-scratch build is you can spec out everything to your own preferences, and the cost is actually about the same as just buying a used one, once you wade through the parts lead times and availability issues, and quality issues... I first started ordering parts more than 2 years ago and just now am finally getting all of them, T3 makes a few aftermarket replacements so I could have put it together earlier I'm just lazy.

The late year transmissions came with double cone synchronizers on every gear, so I went with that gear set. I also opted for the factory 4.23 Type R final drive since my car is mostly street driven and I don't see a compelling reason to go for one of the higher ratio more exotic options, and the Type R input shaft for clutch compatibility reasons. For the diff, I started off just sourcing a used diff and converting it to R spec, then ended up selling it here and buying a Wavetrac after @RYU twisted my arm and threatened my family if I didn't agree to it. (he actually just told me it was better)

I was going to just put it all together as Honda intended, then decided that if I'm going to be shoveling money into the fire I might as well toss in a little more and went all in on the surface treatments more as an experiment than anything else. I had the entire gear set and final drive REM polished by New England Gear Polishing, then WPC treated. Then most of the rest of the internal parts I had just WPC'd including oil pump gear, shifter mechanisms, shift forks, etc. Total cost for surface treatments was around $1500 not including shipping oddly shaped chunks of iron across the country multiple times which was probably another $500 on top of that. I sent the parts out in original Honda packaging and received them back in exactly the same way, both NEGP and WPC had quick turnaround times and were very organized so no complaints there.

Its important to note that I did not WPC treat the synchronizers. I was thinking about it and ended up calling Synchrotech first to get their thoughts, since they seem to be the experts on aftermarket Honda transmission development, and they said that they love WPC for gear sets but absolutely do not do it on the synchronizers. Which makes perfect sense to me, the synchros and cone surfaces are specifically engineered to interact with each other in a specific way, and WPC could interfere with that. If not at first, potentially down the road and the last thing I want to do is end up with a grinding 3rd gear or something. The nice thing about the double cone synchros is they are completely separate from the gears, so the gears can be polished and treated without touching the synchronizers at all.

I also didn't treat the ball or needle bearings, because that just seemed pointless.

Cleaning

Run everything that was polished or treated through the ultrasonic cleaner, dry everything, and oil lightly with WD40 to prevent rust. Keep in mind that WD40 is not acceptable for long term storage rust protection, but in the short term works great. Several of the shafts are hollow as well, such as the mainshaft, countershaft, and 5/6 synchro shaft and need to be thoroughly flushed out since I saw trace amounts of blasting media still inside them from the WPC process when I got the parts back.

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Shift Forks (and discover that I forgot to have some parts treated)

The 5/6 fork is welded, but the 1/2 and 2/3 forks (shown here) have these very tight double spring pins, presumably for serviceability so the fork can be replaced without the whole shaft? First you put in the big spring pin, then once it's in, you drive a smaller spring pin through the middle of it. The vice with my DIY aluminum L bracket soft jaws works pretty well for this, then I used a punch and a hammer to push it in the last few millimeters that the vice couldn't get just by resting the fork across my legs to support it. The black marks on the shaft are sharpie marks to help line the hole for the pin up.

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I forgot to have the parts that bolt onto the 5/6 fork treated so those are sent off and should be back in a few days, and fortunately they aren't blocking any progress until final assembly.

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Main Shifter Assembly

This is what physically engages with the shift forks to push them up or down to select each gear. The shaft, arm thingy, and the sideways U shaped part were treated, but the big plate on the bottom was not as it has that roller and I didn't want to risk it getting jammed up with blasting media. I was expecting this to be more difficult to assemble than it was.

When I sent the sideways U shaped thing off for treatment it was still sealed in the Honda bag so I didn't realize that it had a little rubber bumper on it to pad swinging the shifter left to right, and underneath the rubber bumper ring had started to develop surface rust presumably due to moisture being trapped after the part was cleaned so make sure not to make that mistake. Shouldn't hurt anything though.

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Reverse Shaft

This is why it is absolutely critical to inspect all parts and try to feel how they interact. This tiny tiny bur was on the reverse gear cone where the synchronizer sits. You can just barely feel it with a fingernail, and I missed it the first few times when I was looking for it. The only indication was that the synchronizer would stick and drag terribly when trying to rotate it without pressure on the cone. The steel this gear is made out of is rather hard so a file wouldn't really even touch it, I had to use a find sandpaper roll on the dremel which cleaned it up nicely, then another trip through the ultrasonic cleaner.

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This brings us to the odd point that NSX transmissions have synchronized reverse gears, contrary to nearly every other Honda gearbox (and other manufacturers). Compared to something like a D, B, or K series gearbox where the reverse gear is pushed down between the mainshaft and countershaft by a little hand as seen here. It always seemed to me since this could just result in more parasitic drag since the gears are always engaged but I guess it is negligible.

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Reverse gear stack and tiny little shift fork done.

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awesome work as always,

could you give us the parts list of what you needed to build it from scratch? would be an amazing resource to have!
 
Thats a good idea. I don't even have an organized list, correct, I've ended up with doubles of a few things and missing bits so it would be good to compile a list as it goes together so we know what all is needed.

Parts List (WIP - incomplete!)

Part NumberQuantityDescription
Reverse Gear Shaft
23261-PR8-F001Shaft
23926-PY5-0001Spring washer
23546-PY5-0002Thrust washer
91132-PY5-0084Thrust bearing
91106-PY5-0082Needle bearing
23541-PR8-F001Gear
23916-PR8-F001Gear spacer
23642-PR8-010144mm synchro
23651-PB6-960144mm synchro spring
23627-PR8-F001Gear/sleeve set
Main Gear Shaft
23210-PR8-N001Main shaft (Type R - long spline)
23210-PR8-F001Main shaft (standard)
23441-PR8-F0013rd gear (double cone synchro)
91104-PR8-F0113rd gear needle bearing
23621-PR8-F0013-4 hub/sleeve
23451-PR8-F0014th gear (double cone synchro)
23915-PR8-F0014th and 5th inner race
23581-PR8-J0015th gear (double cone synchro)
23624-PR8-J0015-6 hub/sleeve
23591-PR8-J0016th gear (double cone synchro)
91109-PR8-F0116th gear needle bearing
23914-PR8-F0016th gear inner race
91107-PR8-F012Needle bearing (4th and 5th)
23649-PW8-0104Main shaft synchro sets (double cone)
91004-PR8-0081Main shaft top bearing
Counter Gear Shaft
23220-PR8-T001Counter shaft (4.23 FD)
23220-PR8-F001Counter shaft (4.06 FD)
41233-PR8-J001Ring gear (4.23 FD old style) *
41233-PR8-0001Ring gear (4.06 FD old style) *
41233-PR8-F001Ring gear (4.06 FD new style) *
23741-PR8-F001Reverse gear / 1st gear inner race
23921-PR8-F0011st gear clearance shim A **
23922-PR8-F0011st gear clearance shim B **
23923-PR8-F0011st gear clearance shim C **
23924-PR8-F0011st gear clearance shim D **
23925-PR8-F0011st gear clearance shim E **
91105-PR8-F0111st gear needle bearing
23420-PR8-F0011st gear
23619-PR8-F0011-2 hub/sleeve
23912-PR8-F0012nd gear inner race A **
23913-PR8-F0012nd gear inner race B **
91108-PR8-F0112nd gear needle bearing
23431-PR8-F0012nd gear
23471-PR8-F0013rd gear
23481-PR8-F0014th gear
23461-PR8-F0015th gear
23491-PR8-F0016th gear
91102-PR8-0181Counter shaft needle bearing
91003-PR8-0081Counter shaft ball bearing w/snap ring groove
90602-PR8-0001Snap ring
23926-PR8-F001Counter shaft top washer
90201-PR8-0001Counter shaft top nut
23646-PR8-0202Counter shaft synchro sets (double cone)
Shift Forks
24281-PR8-F001Reverse fork shaft
24241-PR8-0001Reverse fork
24261-PR8-01011-2 fork shaft
24221-PR8-F0011-2 fork
24251-PR8-F0013-4 fork shaft
24211-PR8-00013-4 fork
24130-PR8-F0015-6 fork/shaft
24242-PR8-F0015-6 shaft part A
24243-PR8-F0015-6 shaft part B
90029-PR8-00015-6 shaft special bolt
90412-679-00015-6 shaft washer
94305-5025235x25 spring pin
94305-3025233x25 spring pin
Shifter Mechanism
24351-PR8-F001Shaft
24440-PR8-F001The thing that pushes the forks up and down
24432-PR8-F001Holder for the thing
24446-PR8-F001Shifter mechanism base
24464-PR8-F001Shifter centering spring
90403-689-0001Shaft retaining ring
94305-3016213x16 spring pin
90028-PB6-0103Shifter mech mounting bolts
Clutch Housing
21000-PR8-0201Bell housing
21105-PR8-0001Differential oil guide thing
91206-PR8-0051Right side axle seal
90705-PG2-0004Transmission case dowel pins
21171-PR8-0071Oil pump inner rotor
21172-PR8-0071Oil pump outer rotor
24457-PR8-0001Oil pump pressure relief spring
96211-100001Oil pump pressure relief ball
21176-PR8-0001Oil pump cover plate DISCONTINUED ***
91216-PR8-0051Input shaft seal
23927-PR8-0001Input shaft spring washer
91002-PR8-0081Input shaft bearing
21101-PR8-0001CS bearing retainer DISCONTINUED ****
90030-PG2-0002CS bearing retainer bolts
21120-PG2-0031Sump magnet
91103-PR8-0181CS bearing
21104-PR8-0001CS oil guide plate DISCONTINUED *****
91215-PR8-0052Shift arm oil seal
94301-102001Bell housing dowel A
94301-142001Bell housing dowel B

* The NSX came with 2 types of differentials/ring gears. "Old style" means the 91-94 diff, all Type R differentials, and Wavetrac differentials. "New style" refers to the 95-05 differential found in NON-TYPE R cars. Differential and ring gear type must match!

** There are multiple thicknesses/sizes of these parts. They are cheap-ish so just order all of them.

*** T3TEC makes a replacement for this part, or you can make your own using 1/8" aluminum plate and this diagram. Huge thank you to the guys working on the LochNSX for providing an oil pump plate to measure off of.

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**** This little metal plate has apparently been discontinued, but I'll take measurements of mine and add them here so it can be fabricated.

***** This oil guide plate is currently marked as discontinued. I was able to get it from Acura USA since apparently they had a few kicking around.
 
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