Biden -- Wants to give away houses????

This is f'ing sickening:

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/07/how-acorn-got-a-piece-of-the-bailout-pie/

These scumbag democrats are STEALING your hard-earned dollars to give it away to deadbeats who don't pay mortgages they never should have received in the first place. All so the democrats can win more votes to stay in power.

All this time, I've been playing by the rules and paying my bills. What a total schmuck that makes me now. And why do you have to search for, or be pointed to such a news story? This crap SHOULD be on the first page of every g'damn newspaper and blasted across the TV screen of every news channel.


OMG I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!!!!

Guys this is the same stuff I have been bitching about for years but no one here ever agreed with me. You wouldn't believe the handouts people get here.

Whats the difference between the government sending me a check to pay someones rent or the government sending a check to pay someones mortgage.

FINALLY you guys in other states will see how this money just gets handed out to people who are completely useless.

Renee and I get tens of thousands of dollars a month from the government to pay for rental housing 700B is a one time drop in the bucket to fix a massive problem. The real problem is the slow welfare and SS drain.
 
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it's also the reason this needs to be corrected before more foreclosures come. I know it's not right to give something away for free but I think we have to at this point. This is system wide not just some family losing their house and as you said the losses are bigger than you imagined.

My view of this whole situation might be simplistic, but I can't condone the idea of reducing principle amounts just so people can keep the homes they don't deserve. I don't care if that devalues my home value. Those who play by the rules are getting screwed one way or the other on this one. So it might as well be done with some semblance of decency and logic.

This whole problem is like a lingering disease. It needs to be fixed entirely, not just patched up to get us through on the short run.
 
My view of this whole situation might be simplistic, but I can't condone the idea of reducing principle amounts just so people can keep the homes they don't deserve. I don't care if that devalues my home value. Those who play by the rules are getting screwed one way or the other on this one. So it might as well be done with some semblance of decency and logic.

This whole problem is like a lingering disease. It needs to be fixed entirely, not just patched up to get us through on the short run.

Don't ever become a landlord. You would go nuts. You wouldn't believe the stuff POS people get away with that costs me thousands of dollars a week. Install smoke alarms and the tenants take them down then call code enforcement who fines me for not having smoke alarms in place. Happens all the time. People get away with just about everything when they have nothing to lose.
 
Oh wow. I never thought about that. I knew the banks lended out 10-12x what they actually had, but I never put 2 and 2 together to think that that means their losses are magnified 10-12 times as well. WOW....

Follow up question....
I’m still trying to wrap my head around this. So say if the bank didn’t get it’s $100,000 from 1 mortgage, and now is down $1,000,000 because they loaned out 10x what they had. Will the government giving them $100,000 make them okay, or would the government have to give the bank $1,000,000 to make them straight?
 
Follow up question....
I’m still trying to wrap my head around this. So say if the bank didn’t get it’s $100,000 from 1 mortgage, and now is down $1,000,000 because they loaned out 10x what they had. Will the government giving them $100,000 make them okay, or would the government have to give the bank $1,000,000 to make them straight?

This is why I am saying it would be cheaper to clear the loans and keep people in their houses. The problem is those loans have been sold to investors that are counting on the income from those loans. Money is created through debt.
 
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I’m still trying to wrap my head around this. So say if the bank didn’t get it’s $100,000 from 1 mortgage, and now is down $1,000,000 because they loaned out 10x what they had. Will the government giving them $100,000 make them okay, or would the government have to give the bank $1,000,000 to make them straight?

They don't have one mil in losses (their loss is the difference between the mortgage balance and the value of the home minus transaction costs associated in selling it), they have one million less credit they can loan out to others. This is why they have reserves, because things go wrong and they need a "safety net" of some sort. This reserve system was never designed to withstand multiple years of flat housing values. It is incomprehensible there would be quarter of quarter losses of any amount, and down 20-40% was beyond unfathomable in the context of the models/structure of the system.

As home values fall, it's self reinforcing, almost exponentially. Steve is probably concerned because he realizes as bad as it currently is, we are nowhere near where we could easily end up.

If mortgages were somehow isolated from the rest of our system, it would be an option to just let those institutions collapse and "wipe the slate clean".

However, these same institutions/investors provide backing and support for every line of credit in existence. By suggesting just letting the bodies hit the floor as I like to put it, you are simultaneously asking for the disintegration of the credit markets.

I've mentioned this before but I don't know if people truly ponder it. If no one would get a sizeable loan, what's the immediate cash value of your assets? That's without taking into consideration the increase in value of cash after credit markets shut down (could be many multiples). This is why the previously mentioned lamborghini owner expects lambo's to become 25% their current market price.
 
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They don't have one mil in losses (their loss is the difference between the mortgage balance and the value of the home minus transaction costs associated in selling it), they have one million less credit they can loan out to others. This is why they have reserves, because things go wrong and they need a "safety net" of some sort. This reserve system was never designed to withstand multiple years of flat housing values. It is incomprehensible there would be quarter of quarter losses of any amount, and down 20-40% was beyond unfathomable in the context of the models/structure of the system.

As home values fall, it's self reinforcing, almost exponentially. Steve is probably concerned because he realizes as bad as it currently is, we are nowhere near where we could easily end up.

If mortgages were somehow isolated from the rest of our system, it would be an option to just let those institutions collapse and "wipe the slate clean".

However, these same institutions/investors provide backing and support for every line of credit in existence. By suggesting just letting the bodies hit the floor as I like to put it, you are simultaneously asking for the disintegration of the credit markets.

I've mentioned this before but I don't know if people truly ponder it. If no one would get a sizeable loan, what's the immediate cash value of your assets? That's without taking into consideration the increase in value of cash after credit markets shut down (could be many multiples). This is why the previously mentioned lamborghini owner expects lambo's to become 25% their current market price.

I think wiping the slate clean is not a bad option either but the slate would stay clean for a LONG period of time. If the foreclosures are allowed to happen who the hell is going to buy a house. Prudent people have a house they aren't going to buy another one or one more expensive then they can afford. Everyone else's credit will be wiped clean along with the slate and the economy will grind to a halt.

If the mortgages are purchased and adjusted to keep people in their homes it will set a floor for RE prices and put a halt to falling home prices thus preventing people who are not in trouble from falling into an upside down situation on their prudent mortgage.
 
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