What is your best guess of how many remaining NSX are there in the US?
I'm guessing about 2,000. But I would like to hear your response.
I'm guessing about 2,000. But I would like to hear your response.
Facts:
1. The number of NSXs sold in the United States is 8,907 (7,421 for '91-98, as noted in the FAQ, and 1,486 for '99-05, as noted by Ben).
2. The number of Integra Type Rs sold in the United States is 3,850 (based on a lookup of VINs similar to that performed by Ben).
3. In a lookup of Integra Type R VINs on Carfax, it was found that 74 percent have a clean title, 9 percent have a salvage/junk/flood title with a reconstructed/rebuilt status, and 17 percent have a salvage/junk/flood title without a reconstructed/rebuilt status. Thus 83 percent of them are still on the road, in one form or another.
Conclusions:
I would assume that the percentage of NSXs still on the road is significantly higher than that of Integra Type Rs - because the car is more expensive, accumulates fewer average miles per year, and is driven by older drivers with better safety records. If you assume that this difference in percentage loss of cars is sufficient to make up for the fact that the NSXs have been on the road about twice as long, on average, then 83 percent of NSXs, or 7,393 of them, are still on the road.
If you eliminate both of these assumptions, and you instead assume that loss of 17 percent of cars happening twice, because NSXs have been around, on average, about twice as long as ITRs, then 69 percent of NSXs, or 6,136 of them, are still on the road.
IMHO, I'd go with the 7,393 figure.
IMHO, I'd go with the 7,393 figure.
Hi
You have better memory than me, but have we talked about how many NSX'es in Europe are left here on Prime?
Is it fair to say that there are 7383 in the US and approx 1000 in Europe left?
My NSX are a exclusive car I know, but I had no idea that it was that exclusive.
Regards
Speaking for Europe: About 1000 cars have been sold. Guess 2/3 in good condition still alive?
Facts:
1. The number of NSXs sold in the United States is 8,907 (7,421 for '91-98, as noted in the FAQ, and 1,486 for '99-05, as noted by Ben).
2. The number of Integra Type Rs sold in the United States is 3,850 (based on a lookup of VINs similar to that performed by Ben).
3. In a lookup of Integra Type R VINs on Carfax, it was found that 74 percent have a clean title, 9 percent have a salvage/junk/flood title with a reconstructed/rebuilt status, and 17 percent have a salvage/junk/flood title without a reconstructed/rebuilt status. Thus 83 percent of them are still on the road, in one form or another.
Conclusions:
I would assume that the percentage of NSXs still on the road is significantly higher than that of Integra Type Rs - because the car is more expensive, accumulates fewer average miles per year, and is driven by older drivers with better safety records. If you assume that this difference in percentage loss of cars is sufficient to make up for the fact that the NSXs have been on the road about twice as long, on average, then 83 percent of NSXs, or 7,393 of them, are still on the road.
If you eliminate both of these assumptions, and you instead assume that loss of 17 percent of cars happening twice, because NSXs have been around, on average, about twice as long as ITRs, then 69 percent of NSXs, or 6,136 of them, are still on the road.
IMHO, I'd go with the 7,393 figure.
A while back, I did an analysis based on annual production. Assuming 10% attrition rate (wrecks, age/parting), the total current U.S. number came in around 3500 now if I'm not mistaken. 10% is a fair assumption (1 severe wreck every 10 years) over the vehicle's life. Makes sense too, since even though only 1000 02+ NSXs were produced for U.S., you see them about as often as 91-93s -- meaning many, many of those are no longer being driven for whatever reason.
I disagree. I see far more early NA1s than NA2s in SoCal.
Why would one assume a 10% attrition rate? What's the basis for that number? Is that an established formula?
I think it's a little much to assume that not only are 10% of all NSXs produced wrecked but also that every NSX gets wrecked every 10 years...3500 just seems very very low.
It's quantitative. It's systematic. And it "makes sense" when compared to my general observations. It's also "my best guess" so take it or leave it.
Why would one assume a 10% attrition rate? What's the basis for that number? Is that an established formula?
I think it's a little much to assume that not only are 10% of all NSXs produced wrecked but also that every NSX gets wrecked every 10 years...3500 just seems very very low.
Ski-Banker's assumption is a little bit too high I think as far as the 10%-wrecked-rate is concerned. I would express it a little bit different and say that 1 out of 50 NSX's had an accident over 1 year, ergo 2%. Some accidents cause only minor damage like bent fenders. But there are others with bent chassis too. This is quite that what I've seen here in Switzerland. But even a bigger accident is not wrecked to total loss. Many of these cars get on the road again in more or less worse condition. These are the driving wrecks. :wink:
Among the 30-40 NSX's I've probably seen or heard of there are 3 complete wrecks but 6 driving wrecks and 1 with minor damage.
I would express it a little bit different and say that 1 out of 50 NSX's had an accident over 1 year, ergo 2%.
Ski_Banker said:My guesses from work were actually too conservative. The "precise" figures for each attrition rate, for total current U.S. NSXs is:
2% - 6933
About 700 NSXs were sold in Canada. If you assume the same rate of attrition as that 7,393 figure above, 581 of them are still around.There have also been several that have moved to Canada, I would guess that the 100-200 number would be close. So I have to ask. How many are in North America?
Me too.Lucky me, I got them both. 98 CW ITR/7K miles and 03 Silverstone NSX/6K miles. :biggrin:
Last year.I'm surprised at the number of clean title ITR's. How recently was that data put together?
I'm not sure how you could tell a NA1 from a NA2 by looking. A 2005 automatic NA1 looks just like a 2005 manual NA2, and a 1997 manual NA2 looks just like both a 1997 automatic NA1 and a 1996 manual NA1.I disagree. I see far more early NA1s than NA2s in SoCal.
All I can assume is that it's someone's guess, with absolutely no basis.Why would one assume a 10% attrition rate? What's the basis for that number? Is that an established formula?
Salvage title with a reconstructed/rebuilt status means that the car is still running. Salvage title without it means that it's not.There are likely just as many salvaged NSXs on the road as NSXs salvaged and not on the road. Salvage title means nothing in terms of whether the car is still running.
I'm not sure how you could tell a NA1 from a NA2 by looking. A 2005 automatic NA1 looks just like a 2005 manual NA2, and a 1997 manual NA2 looks just like both a 1997 automatic NA1 and a 1996 manual NA1.
nsxtasy said:All I can assume is that it's someone's guess, with absolutely no basis.
nsxtasy said:Furthermore, I should note that I'm very familiar with the NSX community (where the median age of owners is about 40) as well as the ITR community (where it's about 22). Anyone who thinks that the rate of attrition of NSXs is anywhere close to that of the ITR, let alone more (as some of those guesses imply) must be smoking some wacky stuff. That's why I'm sticking with that 7,393 estimate.
nsxtasy said:Salvage title with a reconstructed/rebuilt status means that the car is still running. Salvage title without it means that it's not.