Automobile info on HSC

[NetViper]

They had a tiny blurb on the HSC.

Not word for word it said:

The concept had a 300 HP V6, expect nothing different in the production model

Then it said Honda's CEO said it will beat Ferrari. Automobiles comment is "That is delusional with only 300HP. Maybe an attainable job will be to increase the awareness of the NSX, which is nearly invisible now"

Not great news at all...

 

[Zuerst]

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Not great news at all...

EDIT: Not great speculation at all...

 

[ChrisK]

I seriously can't see how it will retain the 300HP V6 when the new RL is confirmed to have a 3.5 iVTEC V6 at 300HP.If the HSC does use the same 3.5 SOHC iVTEC 3.5 V6 as the RL, than this car surely will sell for $60K. Otherwise it has to have more HP and more than likely use a DOHC version. I still say it will have at least 350HP.

My over all take on Honda's direction is if they say it will compete with Ferrari it will. My reason is because look at the strides they made with the 04 TL, the TSX, and the new RL. These cars are now very much competitive with it's competition in their respective class. Well, at least on the proposed specs for the RL. Now, I'm not sure if the HSC will beat all the Ferrari's, but I believe it will be competitive. That means it will definately NOT have a 300HP V6 engine or why not just buy the AWD RL?

 

[MAKO]

Magic 8 ball says:

"All signs point to $60k corvette/M3/911 fighter"

 

[minervoflorida]

HSC

My guess is due to trying to be a leader in their field, it will be AWD with 300hp 6 cylinder and 1 or 2 electric motors driving the front wheels, 50 to 100 hp each.

 

[DONYMO]

 

[ANYTIME]

Key word: "Should"

 

[effer]

Key word: "Should"

Some other key words: The show car has the 300 hp V6...


IMO Honda can't release something under 110 hp/liter.

Considering the new RL @ 300 hp ( 86 hp/L ) and the first gen NSX ( 90,625 hp/L )...

The good news is Honda maybe wants to compete against Ferrari and I believe they will:

1st: Honda is competing in F1 period

2nd: Honda doesn't want IMO to se their name erased from the list of exotic car maker. All the automotive world is waiting for the 2nd gen NSX. Honda knows it is a rendez-vous they can't miss.



So I wouldn't be surprised to see that kind of package

1250 kg

3,5L V6 @ more than 125 hp/L ( 437 hp )

for a power to weight ratio of: 2,8 kg/hp which is exactly what it takes to beat/compete the next 420 Modena.*

Doing it with only 300 hp?

This new Ferrari slaughter should weight an extraordinary:

858 kg !!! ( around 1900 pounds!!! )

Forget it!

And 1250 kg / 300 hp gives a 4,167 kg/hp ratio which isn't enough...


* If you take a closer look to that package you will see a similar situation of the first NSX versus its Ferrari competition of the moment: almost the same hp numbers but in a lighter package...

 

[gheba_nsx]

I remain with 350hp and sub 1300kg for around 80k $. As I wrote many many times in the past, even before the HSC introduction... let see who guessed it bettwer in one year!

 

[Johnny@JETZ]

I agreed with "effer", there is no way the next nsx will only have 300hp. 10 more hp for the new version? I don't think so........my guess is 380+ hp, 2850 lbs

 

[nsxxtreme]

If you had a new engine would you stick it in your show car? I remember when the new Integra (RSX) was coming out all kinds of crazy pictures were popping up. None of them looked anything like the current car. Honda does a good job of keeping key secrets and riding the suspense until production. If they say it "should" beat Ferrari I wouldn't expect anything less.

 

[Zanardi 0]

They had a tiny blurb on the HSC.




Then it said Honda's CEO said it will beat Ferrari. Automobiles comment is "That is delusional with only 300HP. Maybe an attainable job will be to increase the awareness of the NSX, which is nearly invisible now"

Not great news at all...

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Which F-car ? 348(over ten yrs old) haha!!!! what's a DUMP ASS....I don't see how they are coming close to beat the MODENA, but to say ferrari(meaning all Ferrari)

 

[Zanardi 0]

someone should start a prediction pool. everyone chips in $5 and guesses the hp, msrp, displacement, etc. points are awarded for accuracy. winner takes all.

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I'm in 330ph........

 

[satan_srv]

Honda makes a 2.0L 200hp DOHC i-VTEC engine with the RSX and they can't push 350+ out of a 3.5L DOHC i-VTEC V-6? Come on now that's ludicrous.

Considering they are getting
270hp 3.2L SOHC i-VTEC TL
300hp 3.5L SOHC i-VTEC RL

I don't see how they could create anything less it's virtually impossible to make that little power...they can't.

 

[NetViper]

If you had a new engine would you stick it in your show car? I remember when the new Integra (RSX) was coming out all kinds of crazy pictures were popping up. None of them looked anything like the current car. Honda does a good job of keeping key secrets and riding the suspense until production. If they say it "should" beat Ferrari I wouldn't expect anything less.

Honda is so good at keeping secrets. Nobody even had a drawing of the HSC before it just appeared. Same with the new TL. And they hid a brand new AWD system.

I think it is entirely possible they are hiding an amazing new engine for the HSC.

If it is going to beat ferrari, I don't think a 350HP 3.5L V6 will be even close to enough.

 

[effer]

... let see who guessed it better in one year!

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! I'm pretty much looking for this moment and forgive me but I hope you will be wrong... as well as you surely also hope to be wrong.

I like your attitude because you don't want to be disapointed and you are playing it safe but let me tell you some things that should be taken on the optimistic side:

Honda came with a Boxster beater at a significantly lower price, hence throwing in the automotive world the highest power output for a NA engine. Who had been able to predict it?

They can do the the same kind of Modena and 996 beater...

The HSC is going to incorporate an all C composite and Al technology in a smaller package. IMO it will easily undercut the current NSX-R weight...

I hope Honda will come with a 125 hp/L V6 engine @ 3,8L ( my displacement guess ): for 475 ponies!
437,5 if we talk about only 3,5 L.

@ 85K USD it is going to be a real bargain as in 1991...


It's all guess but as you wrote, it will be fun to see what will happen in a few months/years!

someone should start a prediction pool. everyone chips in $5 and guesses the hp, msrp, displacement, etc. points are awarded for accuracy. winner takes all.

I second that! The guess should take into account:

1- Engine displacement ( L ) : D
2- Engine power ( hp ): P
3- Car curb weight ( lbs ): W
4- Car MSRP ( zloty ) ...okay, in USD. : $

We only have to apply this simple formula:

ABS VALUE( your guessed D - D ) / D + ... + ABS VALUE( your guessed $ - $ ) / $.

The lowest score will determine the winner...

Who's going to keep the money meanwhile?

Cheers everybody!

 

[Johnny@JETZ]

haha~ i'm in

1- Engine displacement : 3.7 liter
2- Engine power : 400hp
3- Car curb weight : 2850 lbs
4- Car MSRP USD. : $92,000

 

[Sig]

1)3.5l V6 - 425hp w/ 100 hp electric motor.
2)Total power 525hp
3)3050 lbs
4)$95K

 

[ajnsx]

v6 3.5 litre around 400hp. No 'leccy motors.

 

[JChoice]

1)3.3L V6 - 350hp w/ 100 hp electric motor
2) 450HP total
2) 2970 lbs
4) $92k

 

[Wickeddeus]

Re: Re: Automobile info on HSC

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Which F-car ? 348(over ten yrs old) haha!!!! what's a DUMP ASS....I don't see how they are coming close to beat the MODENA, but to say ferrari(meaning all Ferrari)

Someone sure is a DUMP ASS.

 

[gheba_nsx]

1) 3.6l V6
2) 360hp
2) 2850 lbs
4 )$82K

 

[danpiu]

I am confident that Honda will brake some HP-records again as it did with CRV, NSX I, Integra and S2000.
I am sure that the new NSX will produce more than 400HP with lower milage and better reliability than the competitors.
I never doubt Honda will not rich the Hp's
of the competitors.

Honda always have the better engine-Engineers, so
they do it without any problems! Believe me !!

 

[nsxtacey]

I am confident that Honda will brake some HP-records again as it did with CRV, NSX I, Integra and S2000.
I am sure that the new NSX will produce more than 400HP with lower milage and better reliability than the competitors.
I never doubt Honda will not rich the Hp's
of the competitors.

Honda always have the better engine-Engineers, so
they do it without any problems! Believe me !!

I don't doubt any manufacture have the capability to produce more hp let alone honda. But I do wonder if honda is cognizant of the fact that many people's livelyhood depends on the current nsx. Thus, the hsc should be one that welcomes mods. Companies like comptech definitely are interested in being able to twik the hsc.

 

[Fanman]

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! I'm pretty much looking for this moment and forgive me but I hope you will be wrong... as well as you surely also hope to be wrong.

I like your attitude because you don't want to be disapointed and you are playing it safe but let me tell you some things that should be taken on the optimistic side:

Honda came with a Boxster beater at a significantly lower price, hence throwing in the automotive world the highest power output for a NA engine. Who had been able to predict it?

They can do the the same kind of Modena and 996 beater...

The HSC is going to incorporate an all C composite and Al technology in a smaller package. IMO it will easily undercut the current NSX-R weight...

I hope Honda will come with a 125 hp/L V6 engine @ 3,8L ( my displacement guess ): for 475 ponies!
437,5 if we talk about only 3,5 L.

@ 85K USD it is going to be a real bargain as in 1991...

Effer,

You do notice that modern cars are all getting HEAVIER right ? Unfortunately do to all the safety requirements these days (hey, even airbags weigh a little bit) cars are getting heavier not lighter. I just can't see a new NSX weighing less than the current model. They will definitely have to pump up the hp. Even at 300 hp it can not compete with the new Porsche 997, and will get killed by the 400 hp Corvette (and possibly the new Mustang Cobra coming out in a few years).