anyone know this car? JH4NA21645S000045

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ErichPryde

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per the rules, I am not looking for any car fax info, but I was curious if anyone knew the car or anything about it. 2005 Silverstone 6MT for 49,995 with 27,XXX miles? something in me is somewhat suspicious.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.j...&doors=&max_price=&cardist=667&standard=false

here it is listed again on a different site... advertisement states one owner.

http://www.automobilemag.com/classi...e/alabama/birmingham/226780151/113/index.html


posted here because google didn't turn up much and it doesn't look like anyone searched for this VIN yet on prime... maybe I'm missing something obvious. any info anyone might have would be nice. thanks!
 
I looked at that one too...seemed to be in the "very good buy" catagory if its complete and untouched...cant tell tho from the ad...See if anyone here knows it or the dealer etc interesed as well to see if it's a deal...orrrrrrrrr the "other" kind lol
 
IMO ANY car at a dealer and ESPECIALLY a "great deal" need to be examined VERY closely for accident dmg and paintwork by a real expert. Id be very surprised if this car didnt have stories. Now of course whether you care or not is a different matter. For some folks as long as it drives straight and is mechanically sound it is ok. In that case, a car like this could be a good deal (assuming there *is* some story)
 
I spoke with the sale manager today. Pretty firm on the price. Car has a clear bra, claims the interior is mint, small chip on the back bumper - just to the left of the plate. tires are roughly 70%. Carfax/Autocheck show 1 "incident" but no details as to what it was. I'm checking with my insurance agent to see if we can find out anything more......Stay tuned.


And if anyone else has anything on this car....Post up! :smile:


(update) - just hung up with the Acura dealer in Birmingham, the service advisor told me he's gotten a lot of calls about doing a PPI on this car but no one has brought the car in. Hmmm....think I'll wait to see what the insurance guy says....
 
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Heard back from my insurance guy, he has no way of pulling down accident history, especially not knowing the insurance carrier at the time of the accident. So unless anyone else has an idea, looks like a PPI is the only way.
 
If it is on carfax it was not something small. Check all vin tags for starters, can anyone in CA go and check it out ?
 
it is missing the tow hook cover on front bumper. Looks like at least the front bumper was repainted/repaired/worked on, plus why would it have rock chips on rear bumper and not on front one also ?

http://www.yourcarlot.net/outside/extra_photos.php?id=63114

3rd picture - the trunk lid is a little higher on the left side, front and rear damage - i don't know...
4th picture - minor thing, the ashtray is missing.
7th picture - the cd changer screws do not look original, i think they're supposed to be black.
 
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Ashtray and tow hook cover were removed during shipping, I asked - and they are back on the car. Why do you think the front bumper is repainted or worked on, because of the tow hook?

The rear nick in the paint isn't a rock chip, probably something brushed against the bumper. As far as the trunk lid, I blew the pictures up and I can't see what you're seeing?

The seller did tell me it has the clearbra on the front bumper, 3/4 of the hood, mirrors, side vents, edge of the door, gas lid and the top of the rear bumper (too bad they didn't put it on the back of the bumper)

Brylek said:
it is missing the tow hook cover on front bumper. Looks like at least the front bumper was repainted/repaired/worked on, plus why would it have rock chips on rear bumper and not on front one also ?

http://www.yourcarlot.net/outside/extra_photos.php?id=63114

3rd picture - the trunk lid is a little higher on the left side, front and rear damage - i don't know...
4th picture - minor thing, the ashtray is missing.
7th picture - the cd changer screws do not look original, i think they're supposed to be black.
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ANY insurance claim can make it on carfax including spraying a bumper....my wife's rear bumper on her old MDX was hit, repainted (under $500) and it still was on Carfax.

And...the car isn't in CA, it's a CA car thats now in AL.

All vin tags are in place so I'm still no where better at this point.




Brylek said:
If it is on carfax it was not something small. Check all vin tags for starters, can anyone in CA go and check it out ?
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Danny said:
ANY insurance claim can make it on carfax including spraying a bumper....my wife's rear bumper on her old MDX was hit, repainted (under $500) and it still was on Carfax.

And...the car isn't in CA, it's a CA car thats now in AL.

All vin tags are in place so I'm still no where better at this point.
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If you add up the fact that the car is very far below normal price, with the fact that there is actually a Carfax incident (amazing rarity to see a title that wasnt washed) and it is almost certain the car was hit.

If you don't care, then this can be a great deal if it was fixed correctly. Only a very thorough examination by someone expert in collision will tell the tale. Ive seen mechanics on a PPI miss accident history. Not everyone knows how to look or is good at it.
 
mlambert890 said:
If you add up the fact that the car is very far below normal price, with the fact that there is actually a Carfax incident (amazing rarity to see a title that wasnt washed) and it is almost certain the car was hit.

If you don't care, then this can be a great deal if it was fixed correctly. Only a very thorough examination by someone expert in collision will tell the tale. Ive seen mechanics on a PPI miss accident history. Not everyone knows how to look or is good at it.
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Not sure about the title washing comment? :confused: Title washing is taking a salvaged title and "washing it" into a clear title. The car is not nor ever has been a salvaged title, so I don't think title washing comes to play here. Just because there is an incident doesn't necessarily mean the car had some sort of "major damage", just that an insurance claim was filed, that's it! I agree though that the PPIs often will miss prior accident history. Anyone who moves forward on this car needs to be hypervigilant in their inspection process
 
Tell me who removes the ashtray for transporting the car ? :) Don't you think that it was an excuse, they propably just went to a local dealer and just bought it. This is going to sound very funny but you call call the closest acura dealer to those guys and ask if someone purchased a ashtray and the tow hook cover recently :) (if i was towing/transporting this car i would remove the tow hook cover, throw in the glove box or trunk and put it back on once the car is ready for sale).

They might be right will all the story but since the car was in an accident and they're claiming that all the vin tags are in place, the car has no stories then what happened ? At this point you have to be looking for the smallest detail that is gonna lead to the part that has been hit and then go from there with checking out the spot/corner or whatever it might be.
 
Danny said:
Not sure about the title washing comment? :confused: Title washing is taking a salvaged title and "washing it" into a clear title. The car is not nor ever has been a salvaged title, so I don't think title washing comes to play here. Just because there is an incident doesn't necessarily mean the car had some sort of "major damage", just that an insurance claim was filed, that's it! I agree though that the PPIs often will miss prior accident history. Anyone who moves forward on this car needs to be hypervigilant in their inspection process
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If you feel strongly comfortable with the car (which is how it sounds), then thats all that matters, yes? Not sure what else anyone can provide at this point since it seems the car doesnt have a known history on the forums.

What I meant by "washing" is that I've probably seen 1000 cars over the years where I could *easily* point out paintwork ranging from the small, to the gigantic, and NONE of them had *any* hit on the title.

So traditionally "washing" refers to turning salvage into clear, but I suspect there is no reason a similar process cant be used to just wipe history off a car somehow.

Either way, what I'm saying is that I have rarely seen "accident" or "incident" show up on Carfax, but I have equally rarely ever seen a car that didn't have paintwork. Just an interesting dichotomy.
 
He claimed manuals, keys, ashtray, shift knob, tow hook cover and some other things were removed during shipping so they wouldn't be taken from the car. No clue if he's full of it or not, but he was quick with his response when I asked those questions.

Totally agree, you must be hypervigilant if you're going to buy this car and inspect the crap out of it until you find the root of the "incident". I'm just posting up what I've learned so far so others have as much info as possible to make a good decision.

Brylek said:
Tell me who removes the ashtray for transporting the car ? :) Don't you think that it was an excuse, they propably just went to a local dealer and just bought it. This is going to sound very funny but you call call the closest acura dealer to those guys and ask if someone purchased a ashtray and the tow hook cover recently :) (if i was towing/transporting this car i would remove the tow hook cover, throw in the glove box or trunk and put it back on once the car is ready for sale).

They might be right will all the story but since the car was in an accident and they're claiming that all the vin tags are in place, the car has no stories then what happened ? At this point you have to be looking for the smallest detail that is gonna lead to the part that has been hit and then go from there with checking out the spot/corner or whatever it might be.
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Not necessarily "strongly comfortable" but rather sharing what I've learned. Plus I'd rather work from facts then speculate based on a bunch of assumptions. The only fact we know is that "somthing happened" and it's a buyer beware signal to do the right inspections if you move forward.

mlambert890 said:
If you feel strongly comfortable with the car (which is how it sounds), then thats all that matters, yes? Not sure what else anyone can provide at this point since it seems the car doesnt have a known history on the forums.

What I meant by "washing" is that I've probably seen 1000 cars over the years where I could *easily* point out paintwork ranging from the small, to the gigantic, and NONE of them had *any* hit on the title.

So traditionally "washing" refers to turning salvage into clear, but I suspect there is no reason a similar process cant be used to just wipe history off a car somehow.

Either way, what I'm saying is that I have rarely seen "accident" or "incident" show up on Carfax, but I have equally rarely ever seen a car that didn't have paintwork. Just an interesting dichotomy.
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Brylek said:
i agree with you 100%, what did he say about the accident on carfax ?
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He said he doesn't know JACK :tongue:

Actually he said he did a paint meter on the car and couldn't find evidence of paint work on any of the panels and that it can't measure on the bumpers, so his "assumption" is that it was a bumper incident. Don't know if a paint meter only works on metal parts or not but that is his story
 
Late to this thread. Found it when I was looking for something else.

Not that it matters anymore, but I know this car well. One of the local guys here owned it, and was pretty active on Prime when he had it.

If anyone wants further information on this car, feel free to PM me.
 

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