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I'm from new york...I've only seen 2 NA1's..since I've been here..I dont think there are many owners in NY..But I will definitly try to jump on the opportunity..thanks for the info
Acura NSX NA2 vs Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
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I'm from new york...I've only seen 2 NA1's..since I've been here..I dont think there are many owners in NY..But I will definitly try to jump on the opportunity..thanks for the info
Hello guys,
This thread was posted on Corvette Forum and I thought I'd come over here and add a couple of comments.
First, I appreciate many of your comments acknowledging the facts regarding the new C6 Z06, I don't think anybody that keeps up with the sports car world would deny its established reputation.
I've been driving sports cars for the last 30 years and have owned too many to mention, the majority being Japanese. Everything from older Corvettes, a Pantera, turbo and non-turbo 300ZX's, turbo and non-turbo Supra's and now a new Z06.
The quality of Japanese sports cars has been excellent for many years and most everybody that has owned them will agree to that fact. The quality of the older Corvettes (C1 to C4) has not been as good (in my opinion) but in spite of that they have held their value and continue to go up in price. Compare a good condition 1971 Corvette with a similar condition 1971 240ZX and you'll find the Corvettes brings much more money, go further back to a C2 (1963 to 1967) and the value is 10 to 20 times its original price. I haven't seen any mass produced Japanese cars do that nor do I see many 30 year old Japanese cars.
Starting with the C5 (1997) Chevrolet set a whole new goal to make a world class car out of the Corvette, and anybody that has owned previous Corvettes knows this was a giant leap forward for Chevrolet and for the Corvette. The old days of not so good fitting body parts, rattles, harsh rides and mediocre quality were gone! The looks, the ride, the power and the handling were now comparable to much more expensive cars. The introduction of the 6th generation (C6) took the biggest leap forward in Corvette history. The quality, ride, handling, power and dependability have made it a world class car in every way. That's not to say that GM can't improve on it, we who own them feel the interior is still the weak link but by no means anything too negative to over shadow all its positive attributes.
I agree with everyone of you regarding the unique looks and quality of the NSX, but of course at $85k to $90k you shouldn't expect anything less and Honda has done a nice job. For those that think the Z06 might not be as good an investment, or that it will drop in price as other Vettes, the resale facts are showing something far different. Most used 2006 Z06's are still bringing 90% of their original MSRP. With the hundreds of glowing reviews from around world, the continuing domination at the 24 Hour LeMans and the overall low maintenance and maintenance cost needed, the new Z06 may prove to be one of the best cars Chevy has ever produced.
If it comes down to buying a NSX for $90k or a Z06 for $72k, it would be very hard for any unbiased buyer that has driven both to choose the NSX over the Z06, it simply can't compete in value for the dollar. Just like the Viper, there are some that will pay for the rarity and if that is a factor in your purchase then I can understand choosing the NSX, but with most sports car buyers that may be one factor but not the dominating one.
I did not come on this forum to degrade or put down the NSX and I hope I haven't come across that way to any of you, I think it is a beautiful car and I know people who love theirs, but for those on this forum that haven't driven or experienced firsthand a Z06, don't judge it by anything you've heard or know from previous Corvettes, it is not at all like any Corvette ever built in the past and I know from personal experience.
From its hand-built all aluminum small block 427 engine with titanium rods, aluminum frame, magnesium engine cradle and roof structure, gigantic brake system, beefed up drive-train, blazing acceleration, incredible handling (over 1.2g myself) and comfortable interior and ride all make this Corvette very unique and desirable! Even though it has an 8 quart dry-sump oil system which takes a little more knowledge to drain, it still only cost me less than $20 to have the oil changed (I supplied the oil) at my local Chevrolet dealer, now that is amazing!
If any of you NSX owners live in the central Arizona area (Prescott) and would like to get together and experience a Z06, I'd be more than happy to have you drop by and examine the car that is making history around the world.
Thanks to those of you that were gracious in your comments towards the Z06 and I completely understand why many love their NSX over anything else, it is a very beautiful and well built car. Enjoy your ride!
:wink:
All the best,
EFE Z06
This thread was posted on Corvette Forum and I thought I'd come over here and add a couple of comments.
First, I appreciate many of your comments acknowledging the facts regarding the new C6 Z06, I don't think anybody that keeps up with the sports car world would deny its established reputation.
I've been driving sports cars for the last 30 years and have owned too many to mention, the majority being Japanese. Everything from older Corvettes, a Pantera, turbo and non-turbo 300ZX's, turbo and non-turbo Supra's and now a new Z06.
The quality of Japanese sports cars has been excellent for many years and most everybody that has owned them will agree to that fact. The quality of the older Corvettes (C1 to C4) has not been as good (in my opinion) but in spite of that they have held their value and continue to go up in price. Compare a good condition 1971 Corvette with a similar condition 1971 240ZX and you'll find the Corvettes brings much more money, go further back to a C2 (1963 to 1967) and the value is 10 to 20 times its original price. I haven't seen any mass produced Japanese cars do that nor do I see many 30 year old Japanese cars.
Starting with the C5 (1997) Chevrolet set a whole new goal to make a world class car out of the Corvette, and anybody that has owned previous Corvettes knows this was a giant leap forward for Chevrolet and for the Corvette. The old days of not so good fitting body parts, rattles, harsh rides and mediocre quality were gone! The looks, the ride, the power and the handling were now comparable to much more expensive cars. The introduction of the 6th generation (C6) took the biggest leap forward in Corvette history. The quality, ride, handling, power and dependability have made it a world class car in every way. That's not to say that GM can't improve on it, we who own them feel the interior is still the weak link but by no means anything too negative to over shadow all its positive attributes.
I agree with everyone of you regarding the unique looks and quality of the NSX, but of course at $85k to $90k you shouldn't expect anything less and Honda has done a nice job. For those that think the Z06 might not be as good an investment, or that it will drop in price as other Vettes, the resale facts are showing something far different. Most used 2006 Z06's are still bringing 90% of their original MSRP. With the hundreds of glowing reviews from around world, the continuing domination at the 24 Hour LeMans and the overall low maintenance and maintenance cost needed, the new Z06 may prove to be one of the best cars Chevy has ever produced.
If it comes down to buying a NSX for $90k or a Z06 for $72k, it would be very hard for any unbiased buyer that has driven both to choose the NSX over the Z06, it simply can't compete in value for the dollar. Just like the Viper, there are some that will pay for the rarity and if that is a factor in your purchase then I can understand choosing the NSX, but with most sports car buyers that may be one factor but not the dominating one.
I did not come on this forum to degrade or put down the NSX and I hope I haven't come across that way to any of you, I think it is a beautiful car and I know people who love theirs, but for those on this forum that haven't driven or experienced firsthand a Z06, don't judge it by anything you've heard or know from previous Corvettes, it is not at all like any Corvette ever built in the past and I know from personal experience.
From its hand-built all aluminum small block 427 engine with titanium rods, aluminum frame, magnesium engine cradle and roof structure, gigantic brake system, beefed up drive-train, blazing acceleration, incredible handling (over 1.2g myself) and comfortable interior and ride all make this Corvette very unique and desirable! Even though it has an 8 quart dry-sump oil system which takes a little more knowledge to drain, it still only cost me less than $20 to have the oil changed (I supplied the oil) at my local Chevrolet dealer, now that is amazing!
If any of you NSX owners live in the central Arizona area (Prescott) and would like to get together and experience a Z06, I'd be more than happy to have you drop by and examine the car that is making history around the world.
Thanks to those of you that were gracious in your comments towards the Z06 and I completely understand why many love their NSX over anything else, it is a very beautiful and well built car. Enjoy your ride!
:wink:
All the best,
EFE Z06
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i was at a chevy dealership once and the salesman said the vehicle i was looking at was the best truck on the market. i told him consumer reports stated that it was not reliable. the salesman told me it was different now and what would it take to get me to buy the vehicle. my response was that when consumer reports gives it a red dot rather than a black one i will be back. that was about 10 years ago - still waiting. i would give up performance, mileage, comfort for a reliable american car that consumer reports gives a red dot to. still waiting.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?p=1560906351&posted=1#post1560906351
BTW, I am "396 RAT" on Corvette forum.:smile:
BTW, I am "396 RAT" on Corvette forum.:smile:
This is where the NSX's age hurts it. Unfair to compare a car that was created to compete with other early 90's competition versus a car designed to comete with today's performance cars. Sure there were very fast cars created in the early 90's but nowadays, most performance cars come packed with 300-400+ HP....even sedans. With that being said, Z06 hands down all day in the performance category since it just blows everything away. I can't say I have first hand experience with build quality in BOTH cars so I won't comment on that. I know I've had some quirks (climate control, windows, radio) with my NSX so I can't say it's perfect. I'd take an 02+ NSX over a Z06 any day simply because of it's exclusivity but I'd give up my 92 NSX for a Z06.
I never understood this line of thinking. The NSX was built and sold through 2005, so it is at the very least germane to compare the NSX against every sports car built through 2005. Yes, I understand the design was from the late '80's, but as a consumer why should a car get a free pass merely because the design is old? I can respect the forethought given to the design and how groundbreaking it was at the time, but the fact that it hasn't been updated and therefore has lost its technological edge against the competition is not a good thing and not something I'm going to pay extra for (or accept less because of it).
I believe the most accurate comparison is to compare the NSX against another car in terms of price, in which case it is perfectly applicable to compare a '05 NSX with a '07 Z06 at around the same price point. You can also compare two cars even if they aren't at the same price point if you take the price differential into account in your comparison.
I agree 100%. I never said it was a good thing that Honda stuck with it's late 80's/early 90's performance point. The transition to the NA2's helped it keep up in the late 90's but the playing field is much different now. It needs a SC to just keep up with alot of today's sports/exotic cars of it's class/price.
I have 2 92 NSXs and even though I recognize the Z0-6 as a "Break-Through" car, as I stated earlier in this thread; I would not give-up either of the NSXs for one. I do recognize their accomplishments and celebrate those; but the NSX just plain fits me perfectly. :biggrin:
An analogy might be: although I admire many women, I only care to live with one pair of twins.
:wink: Besides; the Z0-6 now provides a convenient "Performance Bench Mark" to shoot at as I do my "on going modifications" to make my NSX fit me even a little more perfectly.
:biggrin:
I have 2 92 NSXs and even though I recognize the Z0-6 as a "Break-Through" car, as I stated earlier in this thread; I would not give-up either of the NSXs for one. I do recognize their accomplishments and celebrate those; but the NSX just plain fits me perfectly. :biggrin:
An analogy might be: although I admire many women, I only care to live with one pair of twins.
Besides; the Z0-6 now provides a convenient "Performance Bench Mark" to shoot at as I do my "on going modifications" to make my NSX fit me even a little more perfectly.
LOL! That's another way to look at it....a very good and positive way to look at it. I do agree that the NSX is more "me" than the Vette (I don't even like Vettes) but the performance and bang for the buck is hard to ignore. I do think I'd get sick of the Z06 alot faster than the NSX though.
It's the whole "grass is greener on the other side" theory.
We may be related...Pantera, Turbo ZX
Paul,
I am a "Car Guy"; I can and do admire many different types of cars for many reasons. The Z0-6 has achieved something no one else has done for many years.
Bravo to Chevrolet and the Z0-6.
I still feel my NSX just fits me better and if I need to spend some up-grade money on it, that just means it more closely reflects my personality every time I make a change.
I actually like the Ford GT; but it is more than twice the cost of the Z0-6 so it does not fit the price point of this discussion. The price point also eliminates Ferrari, Lambo, most of the Porches and most other "Exotic Sports Cars".
Paul,
I am a "Car Guy"; I can and do admire many different types of cars for many reasons. The Z0-6 has achieved something no one else has done for many years.
Bravo to Chevrolet and the Z0-6.
I have to agree 100% with your first point Bob.
I also think another valid point about the current Z06 was made in the second part-.
How long has it been since someone mentioned a Corvette in the same sentence as a Ferrari, or a Lambo?
Corvette has experienced a real return to greatness with this generation, and I enthusiastically applaud the accomplishment.
Philip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNEk6z9Oig8
I know it's the plain C6 review, but how did it lose to a NA2 NSX? They are about the same weight right? The NSX was actually faster off the line than the Porsche and TVR also.
I know it's the plain C6 review, but how did it lose to a NA2 NSX? They are about the same weight right? The NSX was actually faster off the line than the Porsche and TVR also.
Don't believe everything you read, or see.
LOL LOL
It was obvious they don't like Vette's over there.
(Base cars anyway)
But on the other hand, I cant think of an English car built
(on their own) that I would want either.
Exceptions would be GT40 / AC Bristol Cobra
But their points were VALAD. No getting around it.
LOL LOL
It was obvious they don't like Vette's over there.
(Base cars anyway)
But on the other hand, I cant think of an English car built
(on their own) that I would want either.
Exceptions would be GT40 / AC Bristol Cobra
But their points were VALAD. No getting around it.
Indeed. The C6 is certainly something for Chevy to be proud of. It's leaps and bounds ahead in terms of technology and philosophy of all the other Corvettes. I appreciate Chevy taking the time to design not just a powerful car but a fast car and keeping their eye on the world stage. The amount of performance the C6 delivers for it's price is really astonishing--for any manufacturer.
No one is saying the Corvette is reliable but one must consider that it's probably above average for most American cars and that European cars aren't exactly bulletproof either. It might be expecting too much to overly bash the reliability or compare it to the NSX.
The NSX was basically the only car to combine the best of all worlds and we might never see anything like it again. The NSX raised the bar but there's still nobody building a car like it--only trying to imitate it. It's the benchmark and is still used as a yardstick and was studied in depth in the designing of the McLaren F1 and the Ford GT and you can bet Ferrari has looked to it often even though they might not officially say so. The NSX is the car every manufacturer would like to build but still can't. Of all companies, you can't single out Chevy for not being able to do it.
I think you really have to compare it to the other cars in its class. Aside from interior design, looks and rarity the ZO6 can hang with any of the Italian supercars. Porsche isn't any more rare than a Corvette now and the P's interior isn't that stunning. The ZO7 might be able to hang with any hypercar in the world. And that would be an even greater value than the ZO6.
I think it would be in Chevy's best interests to revise the interior as that seems to be the biggest complaint--even if they have to charge a couple thousand more (which they shouldn't have to.)
For me, it's just hard to argue that the ZO6 is a better "value" than a CTSC NSX-R but in a way it's apples & oranges. That doesn't mean the ZO6 is not a great value--I just think the NSX can be an extraordinary value.
The C6 looks good enough, is plenty fast, has good ease of use and the price is right. It's a great car. It's not rare but that's why people buy Ferraris and Lambos for 2-3 times the money. Porsche has the branding but they are certainly not rare anymore. Rarity, along with reliability also justifies the difference in price between the NSX and ZO6
I loved them all at the time, but it's old technology now! :biggrin:
As for those of you that think they may grow tired of a new Z06 a lot faster than a NSX, erase it from your mind!
I personally know a number of new Z06 owners and none of them have grown tired of loving to jump into their cars and just drive them. Until you experience it, you have no idea of how thrilling this sports car is, it's like nothing I've ever driven and I've have driven a lot of "sports" as well as "drag racing" cars! No sports car I've driven can even come close to taking a turn as fast as the Z06, it literally feels like it is on rails and can pin you against the door! I've taken friends for a ride who own other sports cars and they literally turned white, what else can I say? :smile: If Acura brings out that new good looking NSX with 450 to 500HP, then they'll have a car that may give NSX owners something that may wet your pants like a Z06, I hope it happens. The sports car world is only getting better!
:wink:
EFE Z06
PS:
If the Japanese build a 500HP sports car at an affordable price (and the Z06 has set a new standard to work towards), I may be the next guy in line to buy one. But for now, nothing comes close in my opinion. :biggrin:
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That was one of the more sensationalized and biased reports I've ever seen about cars, and I like the Top Gear show. The rock "demonstration" where he clutches his back was over the top ridiculous and insulting to my intelligence as a viewer.
I suspect that the difference has to be due to driver ability/familiarity at the launch. They do weigh approximately the same (the NSX may weigh a maximum of 100 pounds less) and the Corvette has 100+ more HP.
I also found it interesting that they compare a $45k base vette against a $90k NSX against a kit car that cost 55k pounds ($110k US at current exchange rates), against a $75k Porsche without ever mentioning the price differential. Oh, and freeze the video at 7:38 and see the BASE vette with a faster lap time than a 911 GT3. They neglect to comment on that.
Here's more info on the leaf springs that they harped on as vastly inferior in the video. You'll see they are slightly more technologically advanced than the ones you'll find on "Charlton Heston's chariot".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/classics/396_rat/rat3.shtml
It is shocking how good a leaf can be.
Photos above with Guldstrand susp tricks applied.
Amazing how well that car cornered.
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/classics/396_rat/raceresults.shtml
It is shocking how good a leaf can be.
Photos above with Guldstrand susp tricks applied.
Amazing how well that car cornered.
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/classics/396_rat/raceresults.shtml
Kinda like leaf springs?
But hey, not in a bad way...it obviously works very well 
...old or not. Nissan GTR will be close......too bad it's fugly :tongue:
Kinda like leaf springs?
Nissan GTR will be close......too bad it's fugly :tongue:
From the reports I've read so far on the GTR, the new standard 2008 Corvette with 435HP will be be a real challenge for the GTR to keep up with, but time will tell?
It's that Lexus L-FA I want to see, I had my eyes set on it until the last reports rumored over $150k???? It looks like a beautiful machine!
:wink:
EFE Z06
L-FA
http://www.netcarshow.com/lexus/2005-lfa_concept/
http://www.importjap.com/blog/2007/06/20/lexus-l-fa-to-go-into-production/
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=105484
EFE Z06:
I respect you because you do your homework. Too many trolls visit a board of a car they don't own and bring their own biased ignorance along with them.
What I read about the GTR was that it put up very impressive numbers on the Nurburgring and they directly compared it to a C6 Z06's times. Now then again, this isn't a production version and often the production version carries a little more weight and a little less power...we have yet to see.
As for the LFA, yes, I heard it will come with a $125k+ price tag also.
EFE Z06, you seem like a class guy, and I appreciate your reasoned/rational input. Maybe I'll have to try out one of those Z06's.
Be forewarned!
505HP of American muscle in a 3130lb sports car is extremely addictive!
:biggrin:
EFE Z06
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