"A date which will live in infamy"

[LJSB]

pbassjo, drinks are on me if you are in my neck of the woods

See you NSXPO 2005. One martini, two martini, three martini, floor!

 

[Eric5273]

Dresden was nothing compared to what the Nazis did to Antwerp or Rotterdam or London or Stalingrad

And 9/11 was nothing compared to our bombing of Baghdad last year. Are you suggesting that Germans should memorialize the people killed in London or Stalingrad? Or are you suggesting they should not memorialize those killed in Dresden? What if they decided to memorialize the Reichstag fire? What if the Iraqis decided to memorialize the 10,000+ civilians killed during the first week of our bombing last year? I bet you would think that was in bad taste.

Most people here seem to be very one sided in their views, so when I point out your inconsistancies, you view me as being anti-American. Pointing out the truth that FDR was passed intelligence memos which advised him how to get the Japanese to attack our fleet at Pearl Harbor is not being anti-American. Pointing out that he then followed the exact advise given to him in those memos is also not being anti-American. Pointing out that he fired the General who refused to cooperate in this plan is not being anti-American. And pointing out that intelligence memos show we had cracked the Japanese code and knew several days beforehand that they were going to attack Pearl Harbor on December 7th is also not being anti-American. The reality is that our leaders in the White House on December 7th 1941 were being anti-American, and it is shameful that they acted this way. What is even more anti-American is that the media continues to lie about this event and act like all these recently released documents do not exist. So because I saw this thread, and I guessed that most NSX Prime members were not aware of this newly released information (over the past 8 years), I figured I would post an article. Apparently you would all have preferred I give out these instead:

Sorry....I will not make this mistake again.

 

[Casper91]

Eric5273,
Are you done....

It sounds as if you have issues with many Presidential Administrations, and possibly are ashamed of our country. In the U.S. you have the right to free speech. You also have the right to leave if you are so upset.

I think you are very insulting. Some people don't agree with you, so you label them as "One sided"?

In other threads, I've read intelligent well thought out responses to your conspiracy theories, from people with FIRSTHAND knowledge! And watched you dismiss them all.

Every post I've ever read from you has had a negative tone. Do you have anything positive to say?!


Joel -

I don't know anyone who was in Pearl Harbor in 1941.
But I have been to the Memorial. It is quite moving.
I remember Armstrong walking on the Moon, the Challenger Explosion, The Berlin Wall, and of course the shock of Sept. 11th. All memories that will be with me forever.

Thanks for reminding us all to reflect.

 

[nsxtasy]

Most people here seem to be very one sided in their views

Some people certainly seem to be.

This is not the first time that a simple call for remembrance has resulted in an abstruse, apoplectic diatribe promoting an extremist political view of one sort or another. That is totally uncalled for - regardless of whether the rant advocates anti-establishment rebellion that sees conspiracy everywhere, or authoritarian right-wing propaganda. Can't everyone have the decency to honor those who have sacrificed in war without turning these discussions into wars of their own?

 

[Joel]

Regardless if there was any warning or not, the soldiers and sailors at Pearl Harbor were caught off-guard, and it was a tragic and significant day for America's military, and our brothers and fathers deserve to be remembered for their service.

...and sisters and mothers. Don't forget the nurses who tended to the hurt and dying that day.

 

[LJSB]

abstruse, apoplectic diatribe

Nice, very nice.
I'm going to steal that! :smile:

 

[Patdeisa]

...and sisters and mothers. Don't forget the nurses who tended to the hurt and dying that day.

True. *Edited original statement*

 

[KGP]

Thanks, Joel. Remembered here.

As to other select posts in this thread:

 

[cmhs75]

No, not at the time that it actually occurred, over a period of time.

However, the fact that you bring it up makes me suspect that you do so not to question whether it belongs in this category, but rather, because you seem to exult in the failures of the United States (such as in your recent "joke" which has since been deleted). Every nation has its successes and failures, and lately, the United States has been experiencing more of the latter. However, the many successes of the United States prior to the 21st Century far outweigh our recent bungling, and any objective observer, even one who is not American, will readily recognize that.

OK you got me, I didn’t post it out of grieve, but however I didn’t post it out of sarcasm either. I posted it to test this community’s pulse, and I got what I wanted to know.

Now lighten up


Regarding the Joke I posted earlier on, I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic back then either. If you read the joke you would notice that the joke was obviously written by an American or at least by some one who lives in the USA. Obviously I’m not the one who wrote it. And the reason for me to post it was just a back comment on the thread opened on the topic of how the US is doing in Iraq. But I misjudged how sensitive Americans are right now about this topic. I didn’t think you would take so offensively, chill out. I mean, just look at the replies I got. The first one was very simple” Boo” and the second reply seemed to have been a comeback posted by a 12 year old so I didn’t even bother reading it carefully.

I don’t make fun of other people that’s not my nature right now, however for those who did take it offensively, I say I’m sorry.

And you guys should take things from other human’s perspective. I, for instance, am a Saudi Arabian from KSA. I really get hurt when I open threads containing videos labeled “Pajama racers”, and when I see the video, they are wearing a thob! (The clothes I’m wearing right now, as I type this reply!) Not a pajama! Now that’s sarcasm and I really resent that.

My great grandfather happens to be Iraqi. So those civilians in Iraq who are getting killed by the thousands just happen to be my distant cousins. And I just love the comments I read in this community about this topic, especially the one earlier on which said “We should nock them all (referring to Iraqis and no he was not joking)” and that statement was not deleted by the moderator by the way unlike my joke.

When the war on Iraq first started I was happy that someone finally decided to kick Saddam Hussain out of business, but now, after almost 2 years forward and looking at the results, I have my doubts of the original intention of the US. Peace, somehow, does not fit into the picture right now.

For you Americans, from the bottom of my hart I wish you the best of luck, but I won’t say that I applaud what your government is up to.

 

[nsxtasy]

OK you got me, I didn’t post it out of grieve, but however I didn’t post it out of sarcasm either. I posted it to test this community’s pulse, and I got what I wanted to know.

Posting something other than a message of remembrance, in a topic about remembrance, is exactly what I was objecting to. If you want to "test this community's pulse", then do it in a topic where it is appropriate. Which means, not this one.

I will only briefly touch on a few of the points you raise, and I do so with the recommendation that if you want to continue to have a political discussion, you open a separate topic in order to do so.

- A message to "lighten up" is not appropriate in a topic about remembrance.

- While some Americans may have posted insensitive remarks and comments in other topics, many others were probably every bit as offended by them as you were. Do not make the mistake of judging all Americans by offensive remarks posted by a handful of us. And do not make the mistake of thinking that that justifies insensitive and offensive remarks in response; as the saying goes, "Two wrongs don't make a right."

- Many Americans do not support the policies of the current government, particularly with regard to Iraq. (This view may or may not be apparent from opinions stated on NSXprime and elsewhere, but is supported by public opinion polls as well as by the fact that 48 percent of American voters voted against the current administration.) Again, do not judge everyone by the actions of a few. It's also worth stating that most Americans, regardless of their position on any particular issue, are proud of our free society, which includes the ability of our citizens to openly disagree with our government's policies without having to worry about reprisals being taken against them for doing so.

Going back to the original point, thousands of men and women lost their lives in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Almost half a million American men and women lost their lives defending our country during World War II. Many, many millions more lost their lives on behalf of other countries during that same war. We set aside our Memorial Day holiday at the end of May to remember our soldiers' sacrifice. But December 7 continues to be a day of remembrance for those that lost their lives in the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor that led to our entry into that war as a full participant, rather than our roles of financier and arms merchant prior to that point. May they rest in peace.

 

[cmhs75]

Posting something other than a message of remembrance, in a topic about remembrance, is exactly what I was objecting to. If you want to "test this community's pulse", then do it in a topic where it is appropriate. Which means, not this one.

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Sorry