2nd Generation R8 vs NSX

[BATMANs]

I don't really think the NA power of a bike to a street car is fair since the bike has a much higher redline and HP is a function of RPMs.

 

[N Spec]

I don't really think the NA power of a bike to a street car is fair since the bike has a much higher redline and HP is a function of RPMs.

I agree, it's not a fair comparison of bikes and cars. The subject of hp/liter was brought up tho so that's why I brought up the 1 liter bikes and 600cc bikes.

 

[fastaussie]

the first thing I will say is simply this: The NSX is my favourite car of all time, and always will be. you never forget your first love.

All behind the scene evidence points to this... Sure the 308 and 348 are exciting cars. But were they engineering marvels from Ferrari road cars at the time? How was their build quality? But let's just chalk to coincidence...

don't take this too personally mate, but you've now made several comments about Ferrari not knowing how to build engines, and giving the credit for their engine prowess to defector Honda engineers. that is honestly and unequivocally the stupidest statement I have ever heard about anything motorsports or automobile related in my entire life.

you do realise Ferrari has been making cars for a very long time before and after the 1991 NSX? do you honestly think about things before you type them out for the entire internet to see? have you ever heard of a 250 GTO, a 288 GTO, or the F40? have you ever heard of Formula 1, or Le Mans? Sebring?

are you giving the credit for the 4.5 litre V8 screamer engine in the 458 to the Japanese also?

In court of popular opinion you're of course totally correct. Even if the new R8 has inferior performance to the new NSX and costs $30,000 more I predict the euro-fans will line up to buy the R8 simply because Audi is cool at the moment. Rap stars drive them, they're often the brand of car parked out in front of the coolest clubs in Hollywood, and most of the people I see driving this brand are young and good looking.

yes, I am correct, Audi's are very popular vehicles. what is blatantly absurd is for you to say that a very successful car or an entire brand is only cool at the moment because rap stars and young good looking people drive them. you guys couldn't possibly be more biased and prejudice, and wrong. is it so unimaginable that maybe they produce a great driving experience and product?

so you don't like the way the R8 looks, that's fine. are you gonna deny its performance numbers and sales numbers? are you gonna reply back to me and tell me that the R8 which has outsold the original NSX wonder machine by over 3 to 1 is a rubbish car? have you ever driven it? to say Audi is "cool at the moment" because they're "parked in front of Hollywood clubs" is pretty ignorant. there aren't that many clubs in Hollywood to sell that many Audi's mate.

The big picture is I and many others on here are not brand whores.

I don't think that could be further from the truth? I reckon you have to be the biggest Honda cheerleader of them all. and again, that's fine. but you don't like a lot of cars because they're not Honda enough for you. you don't like the R8, covered. there was a debate not long ago about how you don't like the 350Z and didn't consider it a successor to the 300Z, which it clearly is because it also has a big "Z" on the name plate! you don't like the LFA, you don't like the Aston One-77, you don't like any kind of 911, etc., etc. you don't like a lot of cars that clearly the rest of the car buying public and automotive press does. and you always have a whole heap of excuses why you don't think they're good cars, when once again they're massively successful sales numbers completely disagree with you. numbers never lie. remember there was a time not too long ago when dealerships couldn't give NSX's away with massive 5-figure rebates. so by anyone's logic, if the NSX is the best automobile of all time past, present and future and Honda had such a hard time moving them, the 350Z must have been unGodly! and since the R8 outsells NSX numbers by over 3 to 1, it must have been hand crafted in the realm of Asgard. and the 911, well bloody hell, Jesus himself must drive a GT3 or Turbo S!

by the numbers you gave me:

roughly 30,000 R8's sold in 8 years = 3750 R8's annually.
roughly 18,000 NSX's sold in 15 years = 1200 NSX's each year.

again, numbers don't lie. the NSX was featured in many movies and television shows in its time also. and lauded by the automotive press for years, just as the R8 has been. both cars have been named best handling car of the year. and while people like to talk about Audi reliability, no one has yet to mention one problem with the car. the NSX had heaps of problems, including an imploding transmission, anyone remember that? the R8 has had no such transmission problems, no window regulator problems, no amp problems, no air conditioner switch problems, no leaky master cylinder problems, etc. you guys seem to have short memory spans when it's convenient for you.

there are several guys on this forum who have owned multiple NSX's and R8's, and have stated which is the better car. and in my opinion, the R8 is the closest thing to a spiritual successor of the NSX. (relative to a Supercar) the R8 is extremely easy to drive, get in and out of, live with on a day-to-day basis, and is also very reliable.

if you folks don't like a car based on its looks or brand, that's fantastic. as you're fortunate to live in one of the almost 200 free sovereign nations in the world you are allowed to express this. but have some facts or legitimate information to back yourselves up before you thrash anything that isn't an NSX or Honda. especially since that particular car will likely thrash the NSX on the showroom floor, and maybe even at the track...

p.s. N Spec, I see you've had a nice collection of stock 600's and two R1's. get back to me on the motorbike part of this story when you've ridden something with significantly more power in the proper environment to its extraordinary potential and you can be a bit less subjective.

 

[nsxtacey]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder right :wink:
I've been waiting forever for the new NSX and it looks awesome and I would like to own one but it doesn't have the I gotta have it factor for me.
When i look at the R8 GT, its got the I gotta have it factor. A used one costs the same as the new NSX. It's high probability if you take a poll outside of this forum most would prefer the R8 GT.
Ironically its called Suzuka gray after Honda's track.

 

[fastaussie]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder right :wink:

It's high probability if you take a poll outside of this forum most would prefer the R8 GT.

while correct on both counts, prepare yourself to be barraged by about 27 people telling you how their '92 NSX is heaps better in every way... :biggrin:

p.s. I've never been a fan of the different coloured blade, but when it's all a solid body colour it's definitely a slick looking car.

 

[N Spec]

the first thing I will say is simply this: The NSX is my favourite car of all time, and always will be. you never forget your first love.



don't take this too personally mate, but you've now made several comments about Ferrari not knowing how to build engines, and giving the credit for their engine prowess to deserter Honda engineers. that is honestly and unequivocally the stupidest statement I have ever heard about anything motorsports or automobile related in my entire life.

you do realise Ferrari has been making cars for a very long time before and after the 1991 NSX? do you honestly think about things before you type them out for the entire internet to see? have you ever heard of a 250 GTO, a 288 GTO, or the F40? have you ever heard of Formula 1, or Le Mans? Sebring?

are you giving the credit for the 4.5 litre V8 screamer engine in the 458 to the Japanese also?



yes, I am correct, Audi's are very popular vehicles. what is blatantly absurd is for you to say that a very successful car or an entire brand is only cool at the moment because rap stars and young good looking people drive them. you guys couldn't possibly be more biased and prejudice, and wrong. is it so unimaginable that maybe they produce a great driving experience and product?

so you don't like the way the R8 looks, that's fine. are you gonna deny its performance numbers and sales numbers? are you gonna reply back to me and tell me that the R8 which has outsold the original NSX wonder machine by over 3 to 1 is a rubbish car? have you ever driven it? to say Audi is "cool at the moment" because they're "parked in front of Hollywood clubs" is pretty ignorant. there aren't that many clubs in Hollywood to sell that many Audi's mate.



I don't think that could be further from the truth? I reckon you have to be the biggest Honda cheerleader of them all. and again, that's fine. but you don't like a lot of cars because they're not Honda enough for you. you don't like the R8, covered. there was a debate not long ago about how you don't like the 350Z and didn't consider it a successor to the 300Z, which it clearly is because it also has a big "Z" on the name plate! you don't like the LFA, you don't like the Aston One-77, you don't like any kind of 911, etc., etc. you don't like a lot of cars that clearly the rest of the car buying public does. and you have a whole heap of excuses why you don't think they're good cars, when once again they're massively successful sales numbers completely disagree with you. numbers never lie. remember there was a time not too long ago when dealerships couldn't give NSX's away with massive 5-figure rebates. so by anyone's logic, if the NSX is the best automobile of all time past, present and future and Honda had such a hard time moving them, the 350Z must have been unGodly! and since the R8 outsells NSX numbers by over 3 to 1, it must have been hand crafted in the realm of Asgard. and the 911, well bloody hell, Jesus himself must drive a GT3 or Turbo S!

by the numbers you gave me, roughly 30,000 R8's sold in 8 years = 3750 R8's annually.
roughly 18,000 NSX's sold in 15 years = 1200 NSX's each year.

again, numbers don't lie. the NSX was featured in many movies and television shows in its time also. and lauded by the automotive press for years, just as the R8 has. both cars have been named best handling car of the year. and while people like to talk about Audi reliability, no one has yet to mention one problem with the car. the NSX had heaps of problems, including an imploding transmission, anyone remember that? the R8 has had no such transmission problems, no window regulator problems, no amp problems, no air conditioner switch problems, no leaky master cylinder problems, etc. you guys seem to have short memory spans when it's convenient for you.

there are several guys on this forum who have owned multiple NSX's and R8's, and have stated which is the better car. and in my opinion, the R8 is the closest thing to a spiritual successor of the NSX. (relative to a Supercar) the R8 is extremely easy to drive, get in and out of, live with on a day-to-day basis, and is also very reliable.

if you folks don't like a car based on its looks or brand, that's fantastic. as you're fortunate to live in one of the almost 200 free sovereign nations in the world you are allowed to express this. but have some facts or legitimate information to back yourselves up before you thrash anything that isn't an NSX or Honda. especially since that particular car will likely thrash the NSX on the showroom floor, and maybe even at the track...

p.s. N Spec, I see you've had a nice collection of stock 600's and two R1's. get back to me on the motorbike part of this story when you've ridden something with significantly more power in the proper environment to its extraordinary potential and you can be a bit less subjective. out!

I've ridden the new Ducati. A lady friend owned one and let me borrow it on a few occasions. The torque is impressive and it looks fantastic! I never said it was a bad bike. Over-priced? Yes. I wouldn't mind owning one when it's fully depreciated. But other than that, I have nothing bad to say about it. I only interjected because you seem to think Ducati holds the title for highest hp-liter ratio for bikes, when in fact the Japanese do. Cool pic though and I'm sure you can out-track me anyday on a bike or car or perhaps even on foot. It's not that kind of argument for me.

You are trying to justify the greatness of a vehicle to me by numbers. If that's the case, then why aren't the best selling cars like the Camry, Malibu, or Fusion, etc. so special then? I am very rational, and at the end of the day numbers do not lie. However, it's not always about higher numbers. I already said we clearly have different priorities in car selection here. You want to channel public choice or sales numbers. I want to channel my own opinions and experience. The public opinion is not always right my friend. In fact, there are no right or wrong answers here. I feel like you want to hear, "you know what, you're right Aussie." However, I can't say it because, you aren't right or wrong about R8 vs. NSX on a broad statement.

We can sit here and say, which one is faster, more reliable, etc. when both new versions come out. We can can then tally up the scores for each category, but at the end of the day, if you like it more and I don't, who cares?

I don't really understand why you're so bent on me not liking the R8? Let it go. I don't like it for my own reasons. You and other people do. Good for yall. I'd much rather talking about the rationalization as to why the R8 is so bulbous because of height disparity among countries then argue about which one is better. I'm not here to bash it to death. I'm being objective about certain things like you are, but I'm not making it personal or biased. It's a best selling supercar and it does it job well clearly. I already said so. However, I'm not interested in best sellers. It's not an Audi or Honda thing. If Audi made a car that looked just like the NSX but with an Audi badge, I'd probably like it. But they did not and probably never will. I hope they surprise me one day with unexpected styling.

We're not touching the Honda vs. Ferrari debate because I honestly don't have enough evidence to back it up fully. You are misinterpreting what I am saying though. I didn't say Ferrari could build proper roads cars before the 90s. I'm saying they were not the best or most efficient until turn of the century. I just find it hard to believe in coincidence that they suddenly got exceptionally better when they started recruiting globally and changed up their business practices. I've witness and experienced the 80s, 90s and recent Ferrari build quality. The difference is is night and day to me.

This also reminds me. Let's see how the R8 fairs once it's 10 years old or 20 years old in terms of reliability. I've had 8 years of NSX ownership. Never had any major hiccups yet knock on wood. The issues you mentioned don't manifest until there's some age/mileage that's settled in.

Have fun focusing on that high hp, going super fast, and function-over-form tho buddy. Be happy in what you do and stop letting my distaste for the R8 get to you. I've had the opportunity to sit and drive in a wide range of vehicles from various makes and models as I have work history in automotive sales and management for many years. I've probably stepped into and driven more models and brands of cars than you have (but this is not a challenge to you as I don't care if you can contest it). I put them to practical use, parking them, sit in traffic in them, go to and from work in them, get groceries or fast food in them, encounter issues, live with them on a daily basis, etc. So my eye for quality may be different than yours for someone who's priority is speed and tracking, so you can overlook the form and focus on function of speed.

However, I view form as a function. Some do not... I expect the function to already exist as we have been making big horsepower since mid last century. What I expect is more refinement in the human touch (which is a lot harder to achieve) as the efficiency and function of engineering is or should already be mandatory and much easier to predict and achieve thanks to math and science.

 

[MvM]

AutoExpress preview of the R8.

Top range model 610hp, 15% lighter than previous generation and 40% stiffer chassis.
Power can be transferred 100% to the front or 100% to the rear axles.
0-60 3.2sec

The official numbers off the new R8 have just been released.
It seems to be only to be about 60 Kg lighter than the previous model, so that would be only about 4%.
Only to be had with the V10 engine, with 540 HP for the base model and 610 HP for the R8+ model.

Based on those numbers, I see no reason why the new NSX shouldn't be able to beat this new R8 (provided Honda will delivers on what it has promised us).

 

[BATMANs]

http://www.the-lowdown.com/audi-shows-off-second-generation-r8/

BARF!

Looks like a face lift and the rear end was half way finished on Oktoberfest.

Oh and the new R8 looks like R8 1.0

 

[fastaussie]

The official numbers off the new R8 have just been released.
It seems to be only to be about 60 Kg lighter than the previous model, so that would be only about 4%.
Only to be had with the V10 engine, with 540 HP for the base model and 610 HP for the R8+ model.

Based on those numbers, I see no reason why the new NSX shouldn't be able to beat this new R8 (provided Honda will delivers on what it has promised us).

as you have exactly zero numbers on the new NSX of any kind, what makes you so certain of that?

 

[2slow2speed]

It looks like an evolution of the first generation R8. Probably folks who liked the first gen will like this version as well.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/26/2016-audi-r8-geneva-official/#image-2

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http://www.the-lowdown.com/audi-shows-off-second-generation-r8/

BARF!

Looks like a face lift and the rear end was half way finished on Oktoberfest.

Oh and the new R8 looks like R8 1.0

Keep in mind that all future sports cars within the VAG will be supervised by PAG going forward. As such there were rumors that the Audi folks might have rushed the development of the R8 a bit.

The R8 is evolutionary instead of been revolutionary in regards to it's looks, not surprising.

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The official numbers off the new R8 have just been released.
It seems to be only to be about 60 Kg lighter than the previous model, so that would be only about 4%.
Only to be had with the V10 engine, with 540 HP for the base model and 610 HP for the R8+ model.

Based on those numbers, I see no reason why the new NSX shouldn't be able to beat this new R8 (provided Honda will delivers on what it has promised us).

As fastaussie mentioned above, sadly Acura/Honda has not released any specs for the NSX2.0. Nor have they allowed any press folks drive/ride in their prototype/pre-production cars. (unlike Porsche with their 918 for example)

For a car that is supposed to be released in the Summer/Fall of this year they seem to be behind. Given that there is nothing in the pipeline as far as an affordable hybrid sports car in their market segment, I'm not exactly sure what they are waiting for. Then again been typical Honda/Acura maybe they are counting on the success of their return into F1 . (Same excuse that we as NSX owners were given by Honda while they kept putting off work on the HSC/HSV, etc)

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[fastaussie]

0 to 60 mph in under 3.2 seconds, 205 mph top speed, 610 horsepower and 3200 lbs. dry weight are all the right performance numbers...

 

[BATMANs]

Any reason why the GTR and 911TT are under 3 secs to 60 and the R8/Huracan isn't with more power?

 

[JoseJA1979]

^^^ just a guess...better launch control (electronics)??

 

[fastaussie]

I'm guessing lower gearing and max boost? I've driven all the cars mentioned, and the Porsche 911 Turbo S and GTR rocket off the line with (presumably) really short lower gears. The Porsche is faster and more violent than the GTR...

 

[2slow2speed]

Any reason why the GTR and 911TT are under 3 secs to 60 and the R8/Huracan isn't with more power?

It probably comes down to torque and gearing.

Both the GT-R and the 991TT use FI engines and as such they start producing quite a bit of torque as soon as the turbo spools up and provides boost. A naturally aspirated engine won't produce it's peak torque until much higher in the RPM band.

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2015 Nissan GT-R: 545 horsepower @ 6,400 rpm 463 lb-ft of torque @ 3,200–5,800 rpm
2015 Porsche 991 Turbo: Max. Power 520 hp @ rpm 6000-6500 rpm Max. Torque 487 lb.-ft.@ rpm 1950-5000 rpm
2015 Porsche 991 Turbo S: Max. Power 560 hp @ rpm 6500-6750 rpm, Max. Torque 516 lb.-ft @ rpm 2100-4250 rpm

2016 R8 Plus: 610 hp @??? ???? lb-ft torque @6,500rpm (per Audi's press release)

If rumors about the V6TT are true, it might turn out that the V6TT could have better 0-60 numbers if they can get the engine to produce max torque earlier in the RPM band. Then again I would expect the driving characteristics to be different between a V6TT engine and a NA V10 engine.

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I'm guessing lower gearing and max boost? I've driven all the cars mentioned, and the Porsche 911 Turbo S and GTR rocket off the line with (presumably) really short lower gears. The Porsche is faster and more violent than the GTR...

Ninja'd , you beat me to the answer, the drawbacks of trying to post on a mobile phone

 

[OddJob]

any reason why the gtr and 911tt are under 3 secs to 60 and the r8/huracan isn't with more power?

awd + dct? Hm, looks like the huracan does too. Beats me.

 

[N Spec]

I think the details look better than the first gen R8, but the shape is the exact same, so it's like a re-skin on at first shallow glance. I'm surprised at the weight reduction!

Perhaps they are just being conservative with performance figures?

 

[fastaussie]

Ninja'd , you beat me to the answer, the drawbacks of trying to post on a mobile phone

I did post on a mobile phone!

It wasn't easy, but if you're not first you're last!

 

[nsxtacey]

The new R8 side intakes looks terrible. Need the slide blades to stand out from what now looks more like the TT

 

[fastaussie]

I have to say I like the new look of the R8. I never fancied the blades on the old one honestly, especially when they were a different colour to the rest of the body. and the new model is slightly more angular than the old. not a radical change but a nice looking refresh in my opinion.

here's a direct comparison for those who say the R8 looks exactly like a TT. while there's obviously a family resemblance between the two, not dissimilar to the triangulated beak of the new NSX and the MDX, RDX, or TLX, or ILX, or whatever else Acura has, but they certainly don't look identical.

they're undeniably both members of the Audi family, with the big center grill, headlight design, hoodline, roofline, etc. the R8 is clearly much wider, longer, flatter and aggressive looking...

 

[JD Cross]

This discussion on design is interesting.

It seems to me various car designs tend to reflect where they come from.
Italian designs always seem to have flair, German designs are perhaps more stolid, Japanese designs tend to reflect the subtle nature of their culture.
Of course no one design will appeal to all, and that's a good thing as it gives us choices.

It might be more useful to try to understand why a car has a particular design, and enjoy what elements each finds attractive.
There hasn't been a car design that someone doesn't like when it's new.
But over time some designs age well, like our NSX's.
But I was around for the launch of the original and I can assure you there were just as many negative comments about the original NSX, as the NSX 2.0.
Time will tell how all these designs fare.

 

[MvM]

as you have exactly zero numbers on the new NSX of any kind, what makes you so certain of that?

Well, simple.
At the introduction it was said the new NSX had the 458 and Tesla S model at benchmark and 'comfortably beats them both'.

I know this is not the same as having actual numbers, but I assume mr. Klaus wasn't just bragging about this if he knew the NSX wouldn't be able to live up to it.
Besides, the NSX with its hybrid drive should have more torque available than the NA engine of the R8 right of the line and that alone should give it an advantage.

 

[N Spec]

This discussion on design is interesting.

It seems to me various car designs tend to reflect where they come from.
Italian designs always seem to have flair, German designs are perhaps more stolid, Japanese designs tend to reflect the subtle nature of their culture.
Of course no one design will appeal to all, and that's a good thing as it gives us choices.

It might be more useful to try to understand why a car has a particular design, and enjoy what elements each finds attractive.
There hasn't been a car design that someone doesn't like when it's new.
But over time some designs age well, like our NSX's.
But I was around for the launch of the original and I can assure you there were just as many negative comments about the original NSX, as the NSX 2.0.
Time will tell how all these designs fare.

I agree. When I first saw the NSX as a teenager (through images online), I like what the mass public thought it looked like a Ferrari or Lamborghini at first glance, but was curious and intrigued. Then I became a 300ZX owner and most of the community over there called it a poorman's Ferrari and overpriced for 270-290 hp at $90K. I was still curious and eventually owned one after seeing it person for the first time and test driving it. I admit a big influence was from games like Gran Turismo that depicted the car with high accuracy as far as looks went.

And I agree with FA actually. I never like the two tone blades or most two tone color schemes. The new R8 looks better in detailing and appears more angular even if it's the same shape as the predecessor. The interior is definitely better designed from what I can see. Many of the reviews/comments I've seen are lukewarm or not as radical as they hoped. And the TT and R8 are indeed little brother and big brother. However, I would have preferred the difference to be like little sister for Audi TT and Big Brother for the R8 like some have pointed out that they look too similar.

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Well, simple.
At the introduction it was said the new NSX had the 458 and Tesla S model at benchmark and 'comfortably beats them both'.

I know this is not the same as having actual numbers, but I assume mr. Klaus wasn't just bragging about this if he knew the NSX wouldn't be able to live up to it.
Besides, the NSX with its hybrid drive should have more torque available than the NA engine of the R8 right of the line and that alone should give it an advantage.

I hope they're aren't rushing to brag about that feat. Here's a video of the GTR vs. 458:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Pe67DRzOctc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The GTR was the earlier version with 485 hp and modded to *600hp I believe. It's interesting to see the 458 had a slightly higher top speed at the end of mile run, but the GTR's 0-60 and superior launch still cleared it at almost a full second faster. I must say also that 180 mph is very fast for the 458 as I've seen other videos of modded ones doing in the 17x mph range.

I think if the new NSX beats the GTR's acceleration comfortably, then it should net a 27.xx second standing mile nearing 180-190 mph giving the fact that it should be lighter than the GTR and dependent on how much the twin turbo V6 peak hp is. That's my guesstimate given the little info we know so far.

And here's the Hypercar mile run. A full 4 seconds faster at ~200mph! Ducati took the LaFerrari's place. I wished Ferrari would have participated!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bfLqa4vlmFI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[fastaussie]

the first video isn't really a fair comparison to compare a stock 458 against highly modified cars, but stock for stock the GTR would still pull it off the line, but I think the 458 usually pulls it back at the other end. hard to beat AWD in a drag race. the 458 driver's reaction time was horrible on that run also, he gave up a full half second snoozing on the start.

the second video I saw a little while back and is an awesome and pretty surprising one. you can see the Ducati (without any type of launch or wheelie control) wheelies within several feet of the start, and therefor the rider has to shut power down to stop the front wheel rising further. the bike struggles with excessive wheelies for the first three gears. the Porsche actually passes the motorcycle as the 1199 rider can probably use no more than 50% of the power on tap. but when the speeds reach over 110 to 120 mph and the front end finally stays closer to the ground then he can give the bike the full beans and it rockets away. but as the bike begins to run out of gearing nearing 200 mph the P1 flies back past. even I was surprised a stock streetbike had that kind of acceleration on the Hypercars. but with 1 horsepower for every 2 lbs. of weight to pull, that's a tough equation to beat, even with a 900 horsepower Hypercar.

the Porsche rips off the line fastest due to it's AWD traction, even though it's power to weight ratio is 4.1 lbs. for every horsepower. the McLaren has a 3.6 lbs. for every horsepower ratio but can't put the power down as well from a stop with only rear wheel drive. very surprising how it ran away up top though. I would have thought the 918 would have stayed right with the P1. a good example of gearing, weight, and horsepower from our earlier discussion on launch a few posts back. Porsche seems to really have it figured out with standing start launches. the 911 Turbo is an absolute beast 0 to 60 and I recommend all of you try it some time. you'll giggle like a 5-year old when you smash the rev-limiter in second gear because your brain won't be able to keep up with the car.

I'd really like to see what the LaFerrari can do with these two cars. I feel like it might be quicker...

 

[JD Cross]

Another element in this is perhaps we are too influenced by an exterior appearance at the expense of the car itself.

For me the total excellence of a car overrides any design issues I may not like.
As a driver my view is out the window and my experience is of the driveability, handling, braking, comfort, aural and ergonomic elements of the car as a whole.
I tend to ignore various negative comments on the NSX 2.0 design etc. as they are really a small part of the ownership experience.
Real world performance, reliability, ergonomics, etc. tend to be a trademark of a given manufacturer's tradition and at this Honda excels.

So the new NSX design is what it is and the rest of what the car offers is TBA but I expect it will be excellent.
It appears the vast majority of those critical of the NSX on perceived design flaws without any info on the rest of the car are likely not potential buyers in any case.
I mean if an overall excellent car is not bought just because a person doesn't like the nose (of the NSX) or the side panels (of the R8) they are likely missing an excellent ownership experience.