with lightly damaged cars and theft recoveries you can pay more money and get a clean title. On heavily damaged cars/flood cars, the best you can get is a rebuilt title. That is how it is in MS. I understand that you think you know everything, so Ill just handle my business and you handle yours. Ive asked that this thread be deleted and I hope it turns out that way.
1991 MT002856 checking in...check out my salvage nsx!!
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The titling of motor vehicles in the state of Mississippi falls under the jurisdiction of the Mississippi State Tax Commission. The laws posted on their website include Section 63-21-39, which states:
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and I don't play one on television.
So it appears that, just as d1 guy states, Mississippi does indeed issue a "clear" title, rather than a "rebuilt" title, when a salvaged car is restored and passes inspection.Section 63-21-39 said:
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and I don't play one on television.
d1 guy said:
Dude..It's nothing personal, maybe you are just buying cars with cosmetic issues...but if the state of MS is "inspecting" cars are giving then non salvage titles after they have been totalled by an insuarnce company?..that is not good!!...do you really think that a person making $12 an hour "inspecting" cars for the state is going to find hairline fractures in the cars frame? or control units with water damage in flood cars?...not likely.
you have to understand that the process you discribe is not one that most have ever heard of..and it seems very unwise of the state of MS to be doing it.
I personally don't think your a crook or have any bad intentions, take it easy and enjoy your car:smile:
d1 guy said:
Don't give up I am hoping you prove me wrong.
d1 guy said:
If the title is junk or unrebuildable it will be stamped EXPORT like this nearly perfect Land Rover...
http://www.casmiami.com/listings.asp?mode=displaycar&CAR=4942
Here is a car that is considered rebuildable....
http://www.casmiami.com/listings.asp?mode=displaycar&CAR=5134
It just makes no sense how the determination is made about what is EXPORT and what is SALVAGE/REBUILDABLE.
I heard that Katrina cars were going to have their own special branding or be stamped EXPORT. Flood vehicles are the worst to buy as they are just plauged with problems.
I agree. I think people have been questioning what d1 guy says - and perhaps in a hostile way - because they object to the existence of a procedure whereby a salvage title car can be issued a clean title. That's not the way it works in most other states (as noted above), so I guess some people find it difficult to believe, but it sure as shoot says so on the State of Mississippi's official website, so there's no need to question his veracity. Just as there's no need to blame him for the laws in his state. Let's all chill, and appreciate all the work he is doing to restore an NSX to its pristine state. I think it's commendable.zahntech said:
You and I both will have to wait 3 months to see the wheels on it:frown: Mackin is quoting 90 days waiting period on those gt-c wheels. Itll be worth the wait though. Exhaust will be in next week. You guys are starting to sound like prime members again. Thanks for the compliment.
You have done an amazing job. I would like to see some closeup pictures of the panels and interior. Congratulations, and a job well done!
d1 guy said:
I hope you get the wheels that quick. I've heard of people waiting a LOT longer than that for them. Especially if they have to be special ordered. Sounds like it has been a labor of love getting that car back into the condition that you have.
Great job !!!
More info...
http://www.dmv.org/ms-mississippi/salvaged-vehicles.php
"When you receive your title, it will be marked "Flood Damage" or "Hail Damage" if the salvage occurred because of those events. A hail damaged car will lose that designation on the title after repair and inspection, but the flood designation will continually remain on the title from that point. "
and new yorks
http://www.dmv.org/ny-new-york/salvaged-vehicles.php
"The DMV's Division of Investigators Auto Theft Unit will make an appointment to examine the vehicle for stolen parts. If it passes the inspection and the DMV issues a title, it will be branded as rebuilt salvage. This branding will appear on every title for the rest of the vehicle's life; New York will never issue a "clear" title for a vehicle that has been salvaged"
http://www.dmv.org/ms-mississippi/salvaged-vehicles.php
"When you receive your title, it will be marked "Flood Damage" or "Hail Damage" if the salvage occurred because of those events. A hail damaged car will lose that designation on the title after repair and inspection, but the flood designation will continually remain on the title from that point. "
and new yorks
http://www.dmv.org/ny-new-york/salvaged-vehicles.php
"The DMV's Division of Investigators Auto Theft Unit will make an appointment to examine the vehicle for stolen parts. If it passes the inspection and the DMV issues a title, it will be branded as rebuilt salvage. This branding will appear on every title for the rest of the vehicle's life; New York will never issue a "clear" title for a vehicle that has been salvaged"
I could also set up business in...
Other states that wash titles clean...
Delaware
Minnesota
North Carolina
Mississippi
Interestingly some states don't brand titles on wrecked cars more than 7-10 years old. Bad news for older NSX's that's for sure!
AND WOW NEW MEXICO...
In New Mexico, you pretty much do not need to worry about buying a vehicle that was brought back from the salvage grave. In this state, a vehicle deemed "nonrepairable" or salvage can only go one place―to the scrap heap. State law prohibits any type of rebuilding or repairing of a salvage vehicle for a return to the road.
Interesting quote from Texas DMV...
Consumers and dealers alike are particularly concerned about salvaged vehicles after the ravages of Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Many vehicles that were submerged or otherwise damaged in the storm have been totaled by insurance companies.
Many of these vehicles are finding their way back onto the market with a "salvage-branded" title. The title is stamped "salvage" to forever indicate the vehicle has been seriously damaged; those that have been repaired to streetworthiness are branded "rebuilt salvage." There is no problem with buying a salvage or rebuilt salvage car, as long as potential purchasers are aware of the status.
However, it is possible for some vehicles to shake off their salvage title status over the course of several transactions across several states (this is done intentionally by unscrupulous sellers). Therefore, both dealers and buyers need to be aware that the number of salvaged vehicles on the market has increased dramatically because of the hurricane, and this situation will continue for the next several years even without additional major storms.
Experts recommend that if you suspect a car has been in a flood, you should check for water stains on the interior, musty odors, and rust on screws in the console or other places where it would be unlikely to appear normally.
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Today is a good day I learned something.
We are more likely to learn something from people who disagree with us than we are from people who agree. But, we tend to hang around with and overlisten to people who agree with us, and we prefer to avoid and underlisten to those who don't. Not a bad strategy for getting through the day, but a lousy one for getting through the implementation dip.
Other states that wash titles clean...
Delaware
Minnesota
North Carolina
Mississippi
Interestingly some states don't brand titles on wrecked cars more than 7-10 years old. Bad news for older NSX's that's for sure!
AND WOW NEW MEXICO...
In New Mexico, you pretty much do not need to worry about buying a vehicle that was brought back from the salvage grave. In this state, a vehicle deemed "nonrepairable" or salvage can only go one place―to the scrap heap. State law prohibits any type of rebuilding or repairing of a salvage vehicle for a return to the road.
Interesting quote from Texas DMV...
Consumers and dealers alike are particularly concerned about salvaged vehicles after the ravages of Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Many vehicles that were submerged or otherwise damaged in the storm have been totaled by insurance companies.
Many of these vehicles are finding their way back onto the market with a "salvage-branded" title. The title is stamped "salvage" to forever indicate the vehicle has been seriously damaged; those that have been repaired to streetworthiness are branded "rebuilt salvage." There is no problem with buying a salvage or rebuilt salvage car, as long as potential purchasers are aware of the status.
However, it is possible for some vehicles to shake off their salvage title status over the course of several transactions across several states (this is done intentionally by unscrupulous sellers). Therefore, both dealers and buyers need to be aware that the number of salvaged vehicles on the market has increased dramatically because of the hurricane, and this situation will continue for the next several years even without additional major storms.
Experts recommend that if you suspect a car has been in a flood, you should check for water stains on the interior, musty odors, and rust on screws in the console or other places where it would be unlikely to appear normally.
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Today is a good day I learned something.
We are more likely to learn something from people who disagree with us than we are from people who agree. But, we tend to hang around with and overlisten to people who agree with us, and we prefer to avoid and underlisten to those who don't. Not a bad strategy for getting through the day, but a lousy one for getting through the implementation dip.
Kentucky
A salvage vehicle is one that has been so damaged due to a wreck, flood, or some other cause that it's uneconomical to repair it. An insurance company won't cover the cost of repairs if they do not declare the vehicle to be salvage. Contact your insurance company for their definition of what qualifies a vehicle as salvage.
Junked Vehicles
If you wish to junk your vehicle, it must not have any liens and you must either pay all vehicle property taxes or have them exonerated.
Turn the vehicle's license plate and title in to your County Clerk's office. If either or both is lost and you still have the vehicle, you'll need to complete and have notarized an affidavit.
If either or both is lost and you have already given the vehicle to a junkyard or another person, you'll need to apply for a duplicate title. Once it's received, you can junk your vehicle.
The fee to junk a vehicle is $1.
Using Salvaged or Wrecked Parts
If you've rebuilt a vehicle from salvaged or wrecked parts, you'll need to complete and have notarized an Affidavit of Motor Vehicle Assembled from Wrecked or Salvaged Motor Vehicles form.
A list of detailed instructions on how to complete the form, as well as apply for the title and registration of the rebuilt vehicle are included with the form.
Basically, you'll need to fill out an Application for Kentucky Certificate of Title/Registration and have an inspection.
You'll also need to remember to:
Keep all labor receipts and submit them, along with a notarized statement of the repairs made.
Submit all receipts for the parts you purchase; if you purchased parts from individuals, include a notarized statement with the individual's name, address, and phone number along with a list of the parts and the original vehicle's vehicle identification number (VIN).
Submit the license plate with the affidavit form.
Make sure liens and property taxes are handled.
Once the form is approved, you have 60 days to title and register the vehicle; if you fail to do so after 60 days, you'll have to start the process all over again.
When you receive your title, it will be branded with the term "Rebuilt." This is to let all subsequent owners know that the vehicle was constructed with salvaged parts.
Protect Yourself!
If you're considering purchasing a vehicle, especially from an individual, you should check out the Web site for the National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) to find out if the vehicle has been seriously damaged.
Alabama
If you have totaled your car in an accident, or if it has been declared a total loss by the insurance company because of storm damage, you have probably received a salvage title for your vehicle. Once a salvage title has been issued, you cannot legally drive your vehicle on Alabama highways or have a valid license plate.
If you need to apply for a salvaged title, complete the form and return it to the:
Alabama Department of Revenue
Motor Vehicle Division ― Title Section
P.O. Box 327670
Montgomery, AL 36132-7670
You have two options to consider for your salvaged vehicle:
You can sell it for parts or to be restored.
You can rebuild it yourself, obtain a rebuilt title, and drive it legally once again.
If you decide to keep the car and rebuild it, you must obtain a rebuilder's license and rebuild/restore the vehicle to its prior condition. When you finish rebuilding it, you must have it inspected. This is to determine that no stolen parts were used to rebuild it and to ensure that your vehicle has been safely rebuilt. According to Alabama law, only a licensed rebuilder can apply for the inspection. The vehicle must be restored within Alabama only.
To apply for a rebuilder's license, contact:
Alabama Department of Revenue
License Tax Section
P.O. Box 327550
Montgomery, AL 36132-7550
You will be provided with a license application and instructions that will explain the requirements and fees. State law requires that you post a $10,000 surety bond to become licensed. A surety bond is a contract guaranteeing that you will rebuild the vehicle.
Once you have met the rebuilder's license requirements, you must include the following documents with your application for a salvage vehicle inspection:
Application for Inspection of a Salvage Vehicle
Remittance Advice, Form INV 31-1
The original salvage title properly assigned to the owner/licensed rebuilder
Copy of rebuilder's license
$90 fee, payable by certified funds (application fee of $75 plus title fee of $15)
You'll also need the following Bill of Sale forms:
Notarized Bills of Sale for all major component parts. The forms must list the manufacturer's vehicle identification number of the vehicle from which the parts were removed.
Bills of Sale for all minor component parts. Notarization shall not be required unless the component part contains or should contain the manufacturer's vehicle identification number.
Mail the documentation to:
Department of Revenue
Automobile Inspection Unit
P.O. Box 327641
Montgomery, Alabama 36132-7641
When your vehicle has passed inspection, you will be issued a rebuilt license plate that will be permanently attached to the vehicle. You will be given a rebuilt title that allows you to drive legally on the highways.
Tennessee
A salvage vehicle has been so damaged by accident or act of nature that it would cost too much to repair it. An insurance company won't cover the cost of repairs if they do not declare the vehicle to be a salvaged vehicle. Contact your insurance company for their definition of what qualifies a vehicle as salvage.
Salvaged Vehicles
If your vehicle has been pretty beaten up, but can be repaired, you'll need to apply for a Salvage Certificate through your local county clerk's office.
When the vehicle gets repaired, you'll need to have it inspected. Complete and submit a notarized Application for Motor Vehicle Identification Certification. This helps prevent auto-related theft in Tennessee. There are several things you'll need to submit along with the application:
Cause of damage
Identification of all parts, new or used, that were used during repair, including:
Proof of purchase
The year, make, and VIN of the vehicle used parts were taken from
The seller's name and address
A receipt signed by both you and the seller
"Before pictures" of each quadrant of the vehicle showing all damage before the repair
The outstanding Salvage Certificate
The fee to convert a Salvage Certificate to a "Rebuilt" title is $75 for individuals and $85 for licensed dealers.
Non-repairable Vehicles
If your vehicle has been damaged beyond logical repair, the form used to apply for a Salvage Certificate can also be used to apply for a Non-repairable Certificate.
Protect Yourself
If you're considering purchasing a vehicle, especially from an individual, you should check out the Web site for the National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) or order a vehicle history report to find out if the vehicle has been seriously damaged.
A salvage vehicle is one that has been so damaged due to a wreck, flood, or some other cause that it's uneconomical to repair it. An insurance company won't cover the cost of repairs if they do not declare the vehicle to be salvage. Contact your insurance company for their definition of what qualifies a vehicle as salvage.
Junked Vehicles
If you wish to junk your vehicle, it must not have any liens and you must either pay all vehicle property taxes or have them exonerated.
Turn the vehicle's license plate and title in to your County Clerk's office. If either or both is lost and you still have the vehicle, you'll need to complete and have notarized an affidavit.
If either or both is lost and you have already given the vehicle to a junkyard or another person, you'll need to apply for a duplicate title. Once it's received, you can junk your vehicle.
The fee to junk a vehicle is $1.
Using Salvaged or Wrecked Parts
If you've rebuilt a vehicle from salvaged or wrecked parts, you'll need to complete and have notarized an Affidavit of Motor Vehicle Assembled from Wrecked or Salvaged Motor Vehicles form.
A list of detailed instructions on how to complete the form, as well as apply for the title and registration of the rebuilt vehicle are included with the form.
Basically, you'll need to fill out an Application for Kentucky Certificate of Title/Registration and have an inspection.
You'll also need to remember to:
Keep all labor receipts and submit them, along with a notarized statement of the repairs made.
Submit all receipts for the parts you purchase; if you purchased parts from individuals, include a notarized statement with the individual's name, address, and phone number along with a list of the parts and the original vehicle's vehicle identification number (VIN).
Submit the license plate with the affidavit form.
Make sure liens and property taxes are handled.
Once the form is approved, you have 60 days to title and register the vehicle; if you fail to do so after 60 days, you'll have to start the process all over again.
When you receive your title, it will be branded with the term "Rebuilt." This is to let all subsequent owners know that the vehicle was constructed with salvaged parts.
Protect Yourself!
If you're considering purchasing a vehicle, especially from an individual, you should check out the Web site for the National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) to find out if the vehicle has been seriously damaged.
Alabama
If you have totaled your car in an accident, or if it has been declared a total loss by the insurance company because of storm damage, you have probably received a salvage title for your vehicle. Once a salvage title has been issued, you cannot legally drive your vehicle on Alabama highways or have a valid license plate.
If you need to apply for a salvaged title, complete the form and return it to the:
Alabama Department of Revenue
Motor Vehicle Division ― Title Section
P.O. Box 327670
Montgomery, AL 36132-7670
You have two options to consider for your salvaged vehicle:
You can sell it for parts or to be restored.
You can rebuild it yourself, obtain a rebuilt title, and drive it legally once again.
If you decide to keep the car and rebuild it, you must obtain a rebuilder's license and rebuild/restore the vehicle to its prior condition. When you finish rebuilding it, you must have it inspected. This is to determine that no stolen parts were used to rebuild it and to ensure that your vehicle has been safely rebuilt. According to Alabama law, only a licensed rebuilder can apply for the inspection. The vehicle must be restored within Alabama only.
To apply for a rebuilder's license, contact:
Alabama Department of Revenue
License Tax Section
P.O. Box 327550
Montgomery, AL 36132-7550
You will be provided with a license application and instructions that will explain the requirements and fees. State law requires that you post a $10,000 surety bond to become licensed. A surety bond is a contract guaranteeing that you will rebuild the vehicle.
Once you have met the rebuilder's license requirements, you must include the following documents with your application for a salvage vehicle inspection:
Application for Inspection of a Salvage Vehicle
Remittance Advice, Form INV 31-1
The original salvage title properly assigned to the owner/licensed rebuilder
Copy of rebuilder's license
$90 fee, payable by certified funds (application fee of $75 plus title fee of $15)
You'll also need the following Bill of Sale forms:
Notarized Bills of Sale for all major component parts. The forms must list the manufacturer's vehicle identification number of the vehicle from which the parts were removed.
Bills of Sale for all minor component parts. Notarization shall not be required unless the component part contains or should contain the manufacturer's vehicle identification number.
Mail the documentation to:
Department of Revenue
Automobile Inspection Unit
P.O. Box 327641
Montgomery, Alabama 36132-7641
When your vehicle has passed inspection, you will be issued a rebuilt license plate that will be permanently attached to the vehicle. You will be given a rebuilt title that allows you to drive legally on the highways.
Tennessee
A salvage vehicle has been so damaged by accident or act of nature that it would cost too much to repair it. An insurance company won't cover the cost of repairs if they do not declare the vehicle to be a salvaged vehicle. Contact your insurance company for their definition of what qualifies a vehicle as salvage.
Salvaged Vehicles
If your vehicle has been pretty beaten up, but can be repaired, you'll need to apply for a Salvage Certificate through your local county clerk's office.
When the vehicle gets repaired, you'll need to have it inspected. Complete and submit a notarized Application for Motor Vehicle Identification Certification. This helps prevent auto-related theft in Tennessee. There are several things you'll need to submit along with the application:
Cause of damage
Identification of all parts, new or used, that were used during repair, including:
Proof of purchase
The year, make, and VIN of the vehicle used parts were taken from
The seller's name and address
A receipt signed by both you and the seller
"Before pictures" of each quadrant of the vehicle showing all damage before the repair
The outstanding Salvage Certificate
The fee to convert a Salvage Certificate to a "Rebuilt" title is $75 for individuals and $85 for licensed dealers.
Non-repairable Vehicles
If your vehicle has been damaged beyond logical repair, the form used to apply for a Salvage Certificate can also be used to apply for a Non-repairable Certificate.
Protect Yourself
If you're considering purchasing a vehicle, especially from an individual, you should check out the Web site for the National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) or order a vehicle history report to find out if the vehicle has been seriously damaged.
You can look up the regulations for any particular state on its state government website. Most such websites nowadays are usually quite comprehensive.
This website has links to the DMV agency for most states. In some states, driver's licensing is done by a separate agency from vehicle titling and registration, so you may have to dig around a bit to find what you're looking for.
This website has links to the DMV agency for most states. In some states, driver's licensing is done by a separate agency from vehicle titling and registration, so you may have to dig around a bit to find what you're looking for.
Hmm...Ive sent titles in from all three of those states KY, AL, and TN that were salvage and they came back clean. Maybe I just got lucky, but that was also a long time ago, when I was first getting into buying and selling. Probably ten years ago.
Wow great car!
I live just up the street from you in memphis if you want me to take it off your hands. :smile: Just what I am looking for.
Great find!
I live just up the street from you in memphis if you want me to take it off your hands. :smile: Just what I am looking for.
Great find!
Thanks for posting the closeups! Again, fantastic job. The car surely went into the right hands. Enjoy!
Hey guys, I just thought Id bring this post back to life since a lot of NSX owners got to see my car at SESM. I hope everyone made it home safely. I had an absolute BLAST! Wow! For those of you who saw it at SESM....whatd you think? Did it clean up? It was nice meeting you all.
Here are some pics from SESM.
Here we are parked in front of our rail car
Here is my car parked between two other berlina black NSXs
Here we are parked in front of the bbq place. The Ford GT didnt make it in the pic....oh well, the z06 did.
Here are some pics from SESM.
Here we are parked in front of our rail car
Here is my car parked between two other berlina black NSXs
Here we are parked in front of the bbq place. The Ford GT didnt make it in the pic....oh well, the z06 did.
I just read this thread from the very beginning. What a tranformation from the start to end, I'll I can say is "wow" and "congrtulations"!
Hey thanks! Were you at the SESM meet? If so, you drove a heck of a long way
Since I have had the car, I did have type R carpet and mats, but I decided I liked the factory better, so I found some basically new factory carpet and ordered brand new mats. I also added the GT-Cs which took 5 months to get, a comptech exhaust, cantrell intake, and a unifilter. I also added the real carbon fiber around the dash, and door panel switches from SOS. The car has came a long way and it was well worth it.
Here another pic taken from a friends s2k. No, Im not flipping him off, Im telling him that a car is coming.
Since I have had the car, I did have type R carpet and mats, but I decided I liked the factory better, so I found some basically new factory carpet and ordered brand new mats. I also added the GT-Cs which took 5 months to get, a comptech exhaust, cantrell intake, and a unifilter. I also added the real carbon fiber around the dash, and door panel switches from SOS. The car has came a long way and it was well worth it.
Here another pic taken from a friends s2k. No, Im not flipping him off, Im telling him that a car is coming.
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