$100,000 Fisker total engine failure

When blowing failed, I used to put NES games in the freezer for 10-15 min. Not sure why, but it worked like a champ.

Works with failing hard drives too. I squeaked out another 20 minutes to pull vital porn... er I mean information from some dying hard drives on several occasions. :smile:
 
Works with failing hard drives too. I squeaked out another 20 minutes to pull vital porn... er I mean information from some dying hard drives on several occasions. :smile:

That's why I got the JDM floppy system...
 
I see a lot of them in Newport area and I think they are great looking cars
I don't think any company wants to see their cars fail
It's a new technology and I am sure it will take time
For it to be perfected just like the combustion engine took time to perfect
So let's no expect a perfect electric or hybrid car so quickly
Whether we like it or not electric/hybrid is the way of the future

Zaid
 
Well to be honest I'm not entirely sure about all the politics regarding the fisker, or honda, or toyota. I don't know how much money the government gives them or doesn't give them. So I have to comment on that.

I was referring to the fact that the technology does need to be explored and put into practice. So we can get away from a depleting natural resource!

I'm quite intrigued by Tesla and Fisker to a lesser extent, but let's make sure we understand what shifts are occurring - what makes you think natural resources will not be depleted by shifting to electric cars? Do you know exactly where electricity comes from in your area?

50% of america's electricity comes from coal. Another 1/4 comes from natural gas. Nuclear is in the low teens. Renewables are a tiny percentage of our system and would be less without heavy government subsidies (only reason it wouldn't be ~0% is because of hydro).

It's possible to argue that switching from gas to coal powered electricity is still better. I won't contest that. But switching from 40+mpg ultra low emission gasoline engines (like those mandated recently by Obama for our near future) to coal powered electric cars is definitely arguable environmentally and in terms of cost efficiency.

Now if you figure out a way to get distributed solar on every house/apartment complex in America (or proportionally wind/geothermal/etc.), a way to cost effectively store that energy, and use it to power electric cars - Go for it!

I may get a Tesla Model S down the road if they are proven "reasonably" reliable. They are as big as an A7/A8 for $50-75k.
 
You have to understand that the technology being developed and created by Fisker and other companies will eventually work their way down to lower priced models. Eventually we will be driving $20,000 <insert future renewable source of propulsion here> cars.

Remember that ABS, air-bags, etc... only came on very expensive car models. Now they are standard equipment in even the most inexpensive car on the market.

And the Average car price has gone through the roof because of all the "standard" equiptment. because of all these requirements very little can be mass produced in this country and then exported.
 
They probably need to take the ECU out and blow really hard on the contactor pins and put it back in. If that doesn't work, they should probably roll the batteries around and press the start button even harder. Works on my remote.

In the future if you can't get either one of those to work try striking the remote against your hand batteries up. This can often times set the batteries in place so they have better contact. :biggrin:
 
It's possible to argue that switching from gas to coal powered electricity is still better. I won't contest that. But switching from 40+mpg ultra low emission gasoline engines (like those mandated recently by Obama for our near future) to coal powered electric cars is definitely arguable environmentally and in terms of cost efficiency.

Yeah the math seems sketchy to me.
I would like to see someone who's not biased figure the toxins and pollution a bunch of huge $30,000 batteries create over their lifecycle. The replacement of the battery after 5 years. Then add in the burning of coal, the power loss over the electrical lines, the power loss in a X year old battery, vs a diesel.
I would bet quite a bit, the diesel is a LOT cleaner.

Not to mention the national security impact of cars being powered by the electrical grid. Take out the grid(as shown can happen on accident in NY a few years ago) and now no one can drive anywhere.
 
YES, EXCEPT NONE OF THOSE TECHNOLOGY YOU REFEREED TO WAS FINANCED BY THE US GOVERNMENT, AND THEY WORKED WHEN WAS INTRODUCED!!!

This green energy scam is bad and there are so much dirt under the carpet and it's coming out like a tsunami!

If Tesla, Prius, Insight all works without the government investment, what makes you think it is a good policy for the taxpayers' dollars to fund anything thing with these second rate companies?

HOW ABOUT OFFER TAX BREAK INCENTIVES TO BIG COMPANIES SUCH AS HONDA AND TOYOTA SO THEY CAN BUILT MORE OF THESE TYPE OF CARS WITHOUT INSERTING SO MUCH FINANCIAL BURDENS ON US THE CITIZENS? SO OUR POLITICIANS CAN STOP USING OUR MONEY TO BUILT THEIR MODERN DAY TOY TRAIN?

Absolutely absurd!!

But everyone want their economy back. They don't care if it was a farce they just want a great economy again. No one wants to accept that the real sustainable economy is the economy of right now.
 
I'm quite intrigued by Tesla and Fisker to a lesser extent, but let's make sure we understand what shifts are occurring - what makes you think natural resources will not be depleted by shifting to electric cars? Do you know exactly where electricity comes from in your area?

50% of america's electricity comes from coal. Another 1/4 comes from natural gas. Nuclear is in the low teens. Renewables are a tiny percentage of our system and would be less without heavy government subsidies (only reason it wouldn't be ~0% is because of hydro).

It's possible to argue that switching from gas to coal powered electricity is still better. I won't contest that. But switching from 40+mpg ultra low emission gasoline engines (like those mandated recently by Obama for our near future) to coal powered electric cars is definitely arguable environmentally and in terms of cost efficiency.

Now if you figure out a way to get distributed solar on every house/apartment complex in America (or proportionally wind/geothermal/etc.), a way to cost effectively store that energy, and use it to power electric cars - Go for it!

I may get a Tesla Model S down the road if they are proven "reasonably" reliable. They are as big as an A7/A8 for $50-75k.

You make a very good point.
And I don’t think that electric cars are necessarily the best solution for the long term. I think Hydrogen cars are a better / cleaner alternative to gas powered or electric cars.
But this technology has to be explored . Who knows as a result of the R&D into electric cars they’ll discover longer/faster battery solutions. Things will improve and become more efficient.
I do not know the source of electricity in my area. I’m assuming it’s Hydro dams but not entirely sure. Nuclear can be an alternative to coal, although we’ve seen what can happen when a natural disaster strikes (Japan last year).



Yeah the math seems sketchy to me.
I would like to see someone who's not biased figure the toxins and pollution a bunch of huge $30,000 batteries create over their lifecycle. The replacement of the battery after 5 years. Then add in the burning of coal, the power loss over the electrical lines, the power loss in a X year old battery, vs a diesel.
I would bet quite a bit, the diesel is a LOT cleaner.

Not to mention the national security impact of cars being powered by the electrical grid. Take out the grid(as shown can happen on accident in NY a few years ago) and now no one can drive anywhere.

Jond you also are right and I do tend to agree with you, making the batteries consumes natural resources as well. But without the current crop of companies doing the R&D and creating these products we’ll never move ahead.
 
Yeah the math seems sketchy to me.
I would like to see someone who's not biased figure the toxins and pollution a bunch of huge $30,000 batteries create over their lifecycle. The replacement of the battery after 5 years. Then add in the burning of coal, the power loss over the electrical lines, the power loss in a X year old battery, vs a diesel.
I would bet quite a bit, the diesel is a LOT cleaner.

Not to mention the national security impact of cars being powered by the electrical grid. Take out the grid(as shown can happen on accident in NY a few years ago) and now no one can drive anywhere.

I've read such analysis but won't bore you with the details. My previous post assumes the batteries never need replacement; the best case scenario. While the batteries certainly will fail eventually, thus far they've held up incredibly well. Average battery life before replacement on hybrids (their batteries are under less stress than say a tesla or nissan leaf) is easily over 200k miles. If full electric cars can manage that is unknown.

Sadly, electric cars and their basic technology is not all that new (same history as gasoline engines). What we really need are advances in battery technology. If we can manage to double our range with half the weight (think TL sized electric car with a 400-500 mile range and <200lbs of weight over the conventional drivetrain), I think subsidies would no longer be needed to get these off show room floors in meaningful numbers.
 
What we really need are advances in battery technology. If we can manage to double our range with half the weight (think TL sized electric car with a 400-500 mile range and <200lbs of weight over the conventional drivetrain), I think subsidies would no longer be needed to get these off show room floors in meaningful numbers.

Agree.
Also, I've said it before, but solar pricing and efficiency is key as well.
If you could put a solar roof on your house for $20,000 that would put out 110% of the power you need, you could charge/power an electric car for free.
 
Agree.
Also, I've said it before, but solar pricing and efficiency is key as well.
If you could put a solar roof on your house for $20,000 that would put out 110% of the power you need, you could charge/power an electric car for free.

Don't count your sunny days before they have hatched. In the north east you'd get to charge your car for free less than half the year. Businesses would be totally screwed. Now a lot of people call in sick on warm sunny days, what will they do when people start calling in overcast too?
 
But everyone want their economy back. They don't care if it was a farce they just want a great economy again. No one wants to accept that the real sustainable economy is the economy of right now.

CBO just projected the norm of 5% unemployment rate will not return until 2019.

The only way for people to accept this economy is if it become the new norm.

Heck, they have a 20% unemployment rate in Spain and those people consumes 40% o the Cuban cigars in the world while living with their parents even at the age of 50.

No wonder high line car companies never took countries like Spain seriously. All those people can afford is riding buses.
 
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