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Doug's Video on an OEM Nuetron White Pearl Honda NSX
Nuetron White Pearl Honda NSX previously listed for sale on Carsandbids
I want to start this off by saying that I never wanted to resort to this. I'm not the type of person to complain. I'm incredibly patient, reasonable, friendly, and understanding. I'm 29 year old man that's worked hard for what I have. I maintain strong relationships with the people I support, and support me in return. My family and friends come first in my life. I don't play games when people screw with them. Throughout this ordeal I've recently gone through, my girlfriend and her father have been subsequently affected by what it's done to me. They've been the most supportive people in my life the past 8 years, and I owe them everything. It makes me sick that they can't look back on helping me with this in a positive light. They were involved in this transaction by flying to Florida to help me acquire a Honda NSX listed for sale here May of last year. My girlfriend took part in signing as co-owner of the vehicle so that we could legally purchase the vehicle and register it in our home state of California. I was working multiple jobs to support us at the time, so I couldn't fly out to oversee transport of the vehicle myself. Instead, my girlfriend's father joined her in meeting the seller and the auto transport courier. Being the retired Navy vet he is, he wanted to judge the character of the seller himself before letting his daughter be taken advantage of. Everything went well the day they met Adam Peterson to purchase the 1992 Honda NSX they flew out to see. The vehicle appeared to be as described, and Adam seemed to be a stand up guy. They decided to move forward with the purchase and arrange pickup of the vehicle. That night, they came back to meet Adam with the transport courier and oversee the loading of the vehicle. There was an issue keeping the NSX running as it was being driven onto the truck's enclosed trailer. The vehicle had already been signed for, so it was the transport companies problem to deal with at that point.
Fast forward a few days, the vehicle arrives to our home in San Diego. The transport courier immediately expressed how frustrating it was to move vehicles on and off the trailer with ours dying every time they had to get it out of the way. I knew nothing of this problem until a few days after the car arrived. After a few days of the car sitting in the garage, it was time for the NSXs appointment with the an automotive conversion lab. My girlfriend and her father set out to deliver the vehicle a couple hours north of where we live, when they realized the car wouldn't start. They then successfully jumped started the car and stopped at a gas station. After filling the car with gas, the car wouldn't start. It was then that they finally decided to call me and say what was going on. It was clear that the battery was dead, so they got a new one and replaced it. Later that day they finally dropped off the vehicle for it's 3 month stay to have emissions equipment installed and undergo it's state testing.
Fast forward a few months, we receive word that the vehicle is ready for pickup. My girlfriend's father and I set out on one of our shared days off to go get the car. Immediately after we arrived, we were shown to the car. Everything was positioned just right, so I started my first drive in a NSX to bring it home.
As I waited for my appointment to have some exterior parts installed on a car at bodyshop to come in a few weeks, I drove the car back and forth to work to try and get used to it. I never needed to adjust anything other than the seat. The windows worked. The AC and heater worked. Everything seemed fine. I then realized I had no information on when the oil had been changed last. I immediately took it to my local NSX mechanic to have him give it some fresh oil. He went a step further by looking under the car and in the engine bay to check for problems. He found a few minor oil leaks under the car, but nothing more than expected for a car this old. What he didn't expect to see was that the entire undercarriage had been sprayed black. It didn't appear to be hiding anything, so he didn't know what to make of it. He then moved on to the engine bay. There he noticed that my coolant tank was leaking. Luckily, he had one to replace it with. He then changed my oil and took it for a test drive. When he came back, he informed me that the steering rack was showing signs of being repaired or replaced. He also let me know that the side mirrors don't move left and right, only up and down. He had nothing else to report, and I had to go. So, I left.
Fast forward a few weeks, my girlfriend and I arrive at the bodyshop to deliver the car with the parts being installed. My request was to have some exterior pieces painted Berlina Black, and others Nuetron White Pearl to match the rest of the car. As he looked over the car, he asked me when the car was painted. For a moment, his question left me confused and without an answer. I then said the car was from 1992. Knowing he knew that, I didn't understand why he would ask. He then explained that he could tell that the entire car had been repainted. Neither of the colors were original paint. He then showed me the difference in color between the OEM paint surrounding the color code sticker in the door jamb and the different pearl white of the side skirts, fenders, etc. He also noticed that one of the rear fenders had been replaced. He showed me indicatons of this including the part of the rear quarter where it connected to the trunk. There was a clear difference compared to the other side. This lead him to believe that the car must've been side swiped at some point. That was his only explanation why the entire exterior of the car had been repainted a different pearl white. According to him, whoever painted the car clearly didn't know what they were doing. He went on to show me all of the imperfections in the car's paint, including fish eyes and tape that had been painted over. All od these findings were later confirmed by the owner of a Honda NSX. His is OEM Nuetron White Pearl.
I immediately informed Adam of the unfortunate news. He expressed his apologies and stated that he had no idea. He agreed that he could see it in the proof I laid out before him. He continued to claim he had never noticed it before. Being that his sales listing of the NSX described it as having OEM Nuetron White Pearl paint, it was sold falsely advertised. I made sure he was aware of this and politely asked if he would right his wrong in charging me far above what the car was actually worth considering it's true condition. He said he would need to have the conversation again in a couple of months because he didn't have the money to do anything about it then. I accepted his position of being unable to do anything about it then, and moved on for the time being. That was November 5th of 2024.
We stayed in contact. He went about his business, and I went about mine. We exchanged messages regarding our mutual interests, what we were up to, and how we were doing. We continued our conversations like we had since the beginning. I was supportive of him selling his cars and I spoke highly of him as a person to those I talked about my car with. He and I talked about the cars he let go, and the new ones he acquired. We talked about he parts he was buying for them, the problems he had to fix, and all the next plans he had for them. It was his business, and I didn't pry into it. I gave him ample opportunity to make things right between us, but it was never a priority for him. I got screwed, and that was the end of that. I eventually said enough was enough and brought it back up. He led me to believe that he was going to do something to make things right within a couple months, so I asked him how he planned on doing that. He had no answer. It was just one excuse after another. Problems with real estate, annual taxes, waiting for cars to sell, etc. It got old and I wasn't going to stay silent for his benefit forever. It's not right that someone can be so accepting of taking advantage of other people. I wasn't even the only person involved. My girlfriend and her senior citizen father traveled accross the country to meet this guy and purchase a vehicle from him for me. We all get by together and this was so easy feat. By comparison, he currently has a resprayed auto RHD NSX listed for sale at $50K. That vehicle was originally red, and the exterior was repainted GPW. He has had an aftermarker the stereo installed, the steering rack rebuilt, and it sits on newly manufactured replica white 02 wheels and new tires. Sure, it has more miles and a problem with the oil pressure gauge since he swapped out the cluster, but it has fewer problems than mine still does. I paid $73K for a resprayed NSX that was over priced for being falsely described as having original Nuetron White Pearl(minus a confusing disclosure of just the rear bumper being repainted the original color?) with a steering rack that's going out, a dead battery, a useless head unit(other than backup camera), a leaky coolant tank, and mirrors that don't work.
To top it all off, he doesn't remember pressuring us to buy it in the first place. I originally offered to wire him $20K as a deposit and pay him $3K a month. I even told him he could hang on to it until it was paid of. He declined my offer and threatened to put it on carsandbids.com while we were talking about me buying it. He threatened to list it and let it go to the highest bidder if I we weren't ready to buy it outright.
So, I'm at my wits end. You'd think he'd count his blessings for getting even 80% of what I paid him considering what he sold me. I welcomed him offering whatever he could offer by the end of the year to make things square between us. I didn't have high expectations, but almost anything would have been a nice enough gesture to show remose and ask forgiveness. I'm a decent guy and receiving anything back would've shown his interest in doing what was right. I feel stupid for treating him like a friend. After not being offered anything for so long I asked again. This time he asked me what my request was to keep this friendship going. I told him what the co owner and I agreed we would've still paid had we known the true condition of the car before purchasing it. We requested $8K back to leave us at $65K for the car. He said it was a lot to think about and went on vacation. I gave him one last chance by letting him make an offer to let me let this go. I even said that he could just let me know what was going to happen in the next couple weeks. I told him that all I needed was an answer while he was away. It didn't even have to be money. Could've been anything of decent value honestly. I mean, the bid for the true OEM Nuetron White Pearl NSX Top Rank listed on Carsandbids only went up to $68K and that car had a manual transmission. You'd think he'd consider himself lucky to be offered $65K for what we received. It sure as hell wouldn't have sold for that much at auction. I hope none of you ever go through this.
Prime Listing
Doug's Video on an OEM Nuetron White Pearl Honda NSX
Nuetron White Pearl Honda NSX previously listed for sale on Carsandbids
I want to start this off by saying that I never wanted to resort to this. I'm not the type of person to complain. I'm incredibly patient, reasonable, friendly, and understanding. I'm 29 year old man that's worked hard for what I have. I maintain strong relationships with the people I support, and support me in return. My family and friends come first in my life. I don't play games when people screw with them. Throughout this ordeal I've recently gone through, my girlfriend and her father have been subsequently affected by what it's done to me. They've been the most supportive people in my life the past 8 years, and I owe them everything. It makes me sick that they can't look back on helping me with this in a positive light. They were involved in this transaction by flying to Florida to help me acquire a Honda NSX listed for sale here May of last year. My girlfriend took part in signing as co-owner of the vehicle so that we could legally purchase the vehicle and register it in our home state of California. I was working multiple jobs to support us at the time, so I couldn't fly out to oversee transport of the vehicle myself. Instead, my girlfriend's father joined her in meeting the seller and the auto transport courier. Being the retired Navy vet he is, he wanted to judge the character of the seller himself before letting his daughter be taken advantage of. Everything went well the day they met Adam Peterson to purchase the 1992 Honda NSX they flew out to see. The vehicle appeared to be as described, and Adam seemed to be a stand up guy. They decided to move forward with the purchase and arrange pickup of the vehicle. That night, they came back to meet Adam with the transport courier and oversee the loading of the vehicle. There was an issue keeping the NSX running as it was being driven onto the truck's enclosed trailer. The vehicle had already been signed for, so it was the transport companies problem to deal with at that point.
Fast forward a few days, the vehicle arrives to our home in San Diego. The transport courier immediately expressed how frustrating it was to move vehicles on and off the trailer with ours dying every time they had to get it out of the way. I knew nothing of this problem until a few days after the car arrived. After a few days of the car sitting in the garage, it was time for the NSXs appointment with the an automotive conversion lab. My girlfriend and her father set out to deliver the vehicle a couple hours north of where we live, when they realized the car wouldn't start. They then successfully jumped started the car and stopped at a gas station. After filling the car with gas, the car wouldn't start. It was then that they finally decided to call me and say what was going on. It was clear that the battery was dead, so they got a new one and replaced it. Later that day they finally dropped off the vehicle for it's 3 month stay to have emissions equipment installed and undergo it's state testing.
Fast forward a few months, we receive word that the vehicle is ready for pickup. My girlfriend's father and I set out on one of our shared days off to go get the car. Immediately after we arrived, we were shown to the car. Everything was positioned just right, so I started my first drive in a NSX to bring it home.
As I waited for my appointment to have some exterior parts installed on a car at bodyshop to come in a few weeks, I drove the car back and forth to work to try and get used to it. I never needed to adjust anything other than the seat. The windows worked. The AC and heater worked. Everything seemed fine. I then realized I had no information on when the oil had been changed last. I immediately took it to my local NSX mechanic to have him give it some fresh oil. He went a step further by looking under the car and in the engine bay to check for problems. He found a few minor oil leaks under the car, but nothing more than expected for a car this old. What he didn't expect to see was that the entire undercarriage had been sprayed black. It didn't appear to be hiding anything, so he didn't know what to make of it. He then moved on to the engine bay. There he noticed that my coolant tank was leaking. Luckily, he had one to replace it with. He then changed my oil and took it for a test drive. When he came back, he informed me that the steering rack was showing signs of being repaired or replaced. He also let me know that the side mirrors don't move left and right, only up and down. He had nothing else to report, and I had to go. So, I left.
Fast forward a few weeks, my girlfriend and I arrive at the bodyshop to deliver the car with the parts being installed. My request was to have some exterior pieces painted Berlina Black, and others Nuetron White Pearl to match the rest of the car. As he looked over the car, he asked me when the car was painted. For a moment, his question left me confused and without an answer. I then said the car was from 1992. Knowing he knew that, I didn't understand why he would ask. He then explained that he could tell that the entire car had been repainted. Neither of the colors were original paint. He then showed me the difference in color between the OEM paint surrounding the color code sticker in the door jamb and the different pearl white of the side skirts, fenders, etc. He also noticed that one of the rear fenders had been replaced. He showed me indicatons of this including the part of the rear quarter where it connected to the trunk. There was a clear difference compared to the other side. This lead him to believe that the car must've been side swiped at some point. That was his only explanation why the entire exterior of the car had been repainted a different pearl white. According to him, whoever painted the car clearly didn't know what they were doing. He went on to show me all of the imperfections in the car's paint, including fish eyes and tape that had been painted over. All od these findings were later confirmed by the owner of a Honda NSX. His is OEM Nuetron White Pearl.
I immediately informed Adam of the unfortunate news. He expressed his apologies and stated that he had no idea. He agreed that he could see it in the proof I laid out before him. He continued to claim he had never noticed it before. Being that his sales listing of the NSX described it as having OEM Nuetron White Pearl paint, it was sold falsely advertised. I made sure he was aware of this and politely asked if he would right his wrong in charging me far above what the car was actually worth considering it's true condition. He said he would need to have the conversation again in a couple of months because he didn't have the money to do anything about it then. I accepted his position of being unable to do anything about it then, and moved on for the time being. That was November 5th of 2024.
We stayed in contact. He went about his business, and I went about mine. We exchanged messages regarding our mutual interests, what we were up to, and how we were doing. We continued our conversations like we had since the beginning. I was supportive of him selling his cars and I spoke highly of him as a person to those I talked about my car with. He and I talked about the cars he let go, and the new ones he acquired. We talked about he parts he was buying for them, the problems he had to fix, and all the next plans he had for them. It was his business, and I didn't pry into it. I gave him ample opportunity to make things right between us, but it was never a priority for him. I got screwed, and that was the end of that. I eventually said enough was enough and brought it back up. He led me to believe that he was going to do something to make things right within a couple months, so I asked him how he planned on doing that. He had no answer. It was just one excuse after another. Problems with real estate, annual taxes, waiting for cars to sell, etc. It got old and I wasn't going to stay silent for his benefit forever. It's not right that someone can be so accepting of taking advantage of other people. I wasn't even the only person involved. My girlfriend and her senior citizen father traveled accross the country to meet this guy and purchase a vehicle from him for me. We all get by together and this was so easy feat. By comparison, he currently has a resprayed auto RHD NSX listed for sale at $50K. That vehicle was originally red, and the exterior was repainted GPW. He has had an aftermarker the stereo installed, the steering rack rebuilt, and it sits on newly manufactured replica white 02 wheels and new tires. Sure, it has more miles and a problem with the oil pressure gauge since he swapped out the cluster, but it has fewer problems than mine still does. I paid $73K for a resprayed NSX that was over priced for being falsely described as having original Nuetron White Pearl(minus a confusing disclosure of just the rear bumper being repainted the original color?) with a steering rack that's going out, a dead battery, a useless head unit(other than backup camera), a leaky coolant tank, and mirrors that don't work.
To top it all off, he doesn't remember pressuring us to buy it in the first place. I originally offered to wire him $20K as a deposit and pay him $3K a month. I even told him he could hang on to it until it was paid of. He declined my offer and threatened to put it on carsandbids.com while we were talking about me buying it. He threatened to list it and let it go to the highest bidder if I we weren't ready to buy it outright.
So, I'm at my wits end. You'd think he'd count his blessings for getting even 80% of what I paid him considering what he sold me. I welcomed him offering whatever he could offer by the end of the year to make things square between us. I didn't have high expectations, but almost anything would have been a nice enough gesture to show remose and ask forgiveness. I'm a decent guy and receiving anything back would've shown his interest in doing what was right. I feel stupid for treating him like a friend. After not being offered anything for so long I asked again. This time he asked me what my request was to keep this friendship going. I told him what the co owner and I agreed we would've still paid had we known the true condition of the car before purchasing it. We requested $8K back to leave us at $65K for the car. He said it was a lot to think about and went on vacation. I gave him one last chance by letting him make an offer to let me let this go. I even said that he could just let me know what was going to happen in the next couple weeks. I told him that all I needed was an answer while he was away. It didn't even have to be money. Could've been anything of decent value honestly. I mean, the bid for the true OEM Nuetron White Pearl NSX Top Rank listed on Carsandbids only went up to $68K and that car had a manual transmission. You'd think he'd consider himself lucky to be offered $65K for what we received. It sure as hell wouldn't have sold for that much at auction. I hope none of you ever go through this.
