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How come the situation is not as hype as normally a supercat comes to live? Isnt it already been produced? Or at least the engine
Why no hype?
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1. Poor communications from Acura
2. Long history of "Crying Wolf" (original super bowl ad)
2.5. Recent history of Crying Wolf ("Serial production will begin in April")
3. Limited production/availability may have crossed over from "exclusive" to "not relevant"
4. The NSX is a "Halo" without an "Angel." There is no mainstream car whose owners see the NSX as the ultimate expression of their cars. MDX owners are not driving NSX hype.
5. All tests to date have been with pre-production cars. No tests to date have allowed instrumented tests from "known" drivers on benchmark tracks.
6. No head-to-head tests versus competition (your average R8 or 991TTS buyer is not lusting after NSX as the car everyone knows is better)
7. NSX Pricing is "in-line" with peers, not an "amazing value" like, for example, the GT-R (faster than 997TT in every respect for half the price).
8. Not many people can afford a $200K car, so your audience is limited. Did the McLaren 570 have more hype than NSX? Maybe some, but not a ton more, IMHO.
2. Long history of "Crying Wolf" (original super bowl ad)
2.5. Recent history of Crying Wolf ("Serial production will begin in April")
3. Limited production/availability may have crossed over from "exclusive" to "not relevant"
4. The NSX is a "Halo" without an "Angel." There is no mainstream car whose owners see the NSX as the ultimate expression of their cars. MDX owners are not driving NSX hype.
5. All tests to date have been with pre-production cars. No tests to date have allowed instrumented tests from "known" drivers on benchmark tracks.
6. No head-to-head tests versus competition (your average R8 or 991TTS buyer is not lusting after NSX as the car everyone knows is better)
7. NSX Pricing is "in-line" with peers, not an "amazing value" like, for example, the GT-R (faster than 997TT in every respect for half the price).
8. Not many people can afford a $200K car, so your audience is limited. Did the McLaren 570 have more hype than NSX? Maybe some, but not a ton more, IMHO.
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all interesting conclusions. it certainly has been eerily quiet around this section of the forum the last month or so.
drove the new R8 (not the V10+) and 570S the other day. balls out, lit up, tires smoking off 90 mph corners. sick, sick machines. truly astounding.
the 488 is ridiculous, the 675 is absurd, and the new Turbo S is quicker than ever. awaiting to see how the NSX stacks up...
drove the new R8 (not the V10+) and 570S the other day. balls out, lit up, tires smoking off 90 mph corners. sick, sick machines. truly astounding.
the 488 is ridiculous, the 675 is absurd, and the new Turbo S is quicker than ever. awaiting to see how the NSX stacks up...
I could care less about sideways, tire smoking antics. That's not about being quick, that's just dick waving (which is fine if that's your thing). I want to know about lap times, and how quick it is, without turning your knuckles white.
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I just realized that Acura Client Relation have replied my email on 2nd May and said that the NSX has commenced production. Why there are no news yet I wonder
A friend of mine lectures international business studies and marketing at an University here in my home town over the last 10 yrs he has lectured his students on how Honda Australia introduced and marketed the NSX in the early nineties and how to successfully introduce a new halo car for Honda. He then borrows my NSX to show his students the car they just studied.
Today he is contemplating on lecturing how not to release a new/replacement halo car how things have changed.
Today he is contemplating on lecturing how not to release a new/replacement halo car how things have changed.
And yet we know from the factory that the first *engine* was completed only last Friday (5/13), so the first complete car would be this week at the earliest...
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It was actually replied on the 11th of May not 2nd. My bad sorry
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you're right, that wasn't about being quick. that was about being fun. the 570S especially excels at that, as it was designed intentionally for that purpose. it's not about waving anything, except the back of the car if you so please. it's an option, not a necessity.
for quicker laps times use a little less throttle and steering wheel angle at corner exit (or leave the traction control on)...
p.s. i have had my '02 NSX lit up, smoking tires leaving corners also, albeit much slower speeds. it doesn't have to be one or the other.
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reeeeeally?
I have no idea of how Honda NZ handled the launch of the original NSX however I was here for the North American NSX launch.
I can assure you it wasn't much different than today's new NSX launch and certainly won't be studied at business schools as an example of an ideal product launch.
The only difference I can ascertain in this go around is Honda is building NSX's to order which wasn't the case in 90/91.
They're trying their best to avoid the oversupply that developed on the first NSX that resulted in discounting etc.
I'm not sure why Honda has such trouble operating in this market niche.
In two days Honda will make as many Accords as they will do in NSX's in a year.
Maybe they just don't understand how to be small and exclusive.
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seems a fair assessment...
It's fun to have what everyone thinks is the best-- I get that. But I'm OK having what I think is the best. So, for me, I'm mostly eager for more facts and not more hype.
I think the quiet storm is brewing. Everyone wants real stats and unbiased numbers, but the first production hasn't even hit the streets yet. Relax. It's almost here. The magazines should unload the porn soon and have the comparisons soon enough for those that need that sort of justification.
Yep he is a unique lecturer BTW this happened/s in Australia not NZ
The NSX has priced itself out of potential buyers' market. As a potential NSX buyer, I am also cross shopping used Ferrari 458, Lamborghini Gallardo at the US$200,000 price point. The Hybrid + Turbo technology of the NSX makes it a much more complicated car than its european competitors (488+Huracan). The Nissan GTR was the performance bargain of the century when it was launched in 2007. The sweet spot for NSX would be $100,000. Past the $150,000 price point, buyers are expecting much more in terms of performance and excitement.
The Ferrari 458 imho is a much more attractive and fun car compared to the NSX. During Jay Leno's Garage show, interview with NSX designer disclosed the NSX used the 458 as the bench mark during its development. Sad to say that to a potential NSX buyer. The 458 is a much more desirable car than the complicated, hybrid, synthetic derived NSX experience. The reasons for buying Gen 2 NSX would be 1. Exclusivity 2. You spent how much on an Acura? Because I CAN 3. pride of hybrid sportswear experience (eco friendly, fulfilling the Porsche 918, Mclaren P1 fantasy)
The Ferrari 458 imho is a much more attractive and fun car compared to the NSX. During Jay Leno's Garage show, interview with NSX designer disclosed the NSX used the 458 as the bench mark during its development. Sad to say that to a potential NSX buyer. The 458 is a much more desirable car than the complicated, hybrid, synthetic derived NSX experience. The reasons for buying Gen 2 NSX would be 1. Exclusivity 2. You spent how much on an Acura? Because I CAN 3. pride of hybrid sportswear experience (eco friendly, fulfilling the Porsche 918, Mclaren P1 fantasy)
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I totally get the point that you and many folks would prefer that the car came at a lower price point.
Let's play with your points.
A) There is a crap load of folks who can afford the car so they will sell (wanna argue with the current order book).
B) A normally speced one is in the $170Ks and will be $10K less once they release the iron brakes. There is actually no mid engine super car in that space Mclarne 570 being the closest and do you trust them for long term reliability).
C) This will be one car amongst many super cars for many of the buyers. They buy cars that are interesting to them. Some they keep, some they trade out of. The NSX brings the future tech from the out of production 918 at a fraction of the price.
D) Reliability, daily utility: Ferrari has gotten better but daily driver for more that 2 years, good luck with that. I am confident that my new NSX will chug along year after year cuz it is Honda inside.
E) My wife and kids are likely to enjoy using the car too. My wife hates the F brand for the snobby owner situation.
F) The you spent how much stuff is important to some but not to me. A Corvette is king for the money but doesn't float my boat. Some people spend $200K for their home and some spend $2 million. At the end of the day they do the say thing. It is about what you like and are willing and able to pony up for it.
I totally get the point that you and many folks would prefer that the car came at a lower price point.
Let's play with your points.
A) There is a crap load of folks who can afford the car so they will sell (wanna argue with the current order book).
B) A normally speced one is in the $170Ks and will be $10K less once they release the iron brakes. There is actually no mid engine super car in that space Mclarne 570 being the closest and do you trust them for long term reliability).
C) This will be one car amongst many super cars for many of the buyers. They buy cars that are interesting to them. Some they keep, some they trade out of. The NSX brings the future tech from the out of production 918 at a fraction of the price.
D) Reliability, daily utility: Ferrari has gotten better but daily driver for more that 2 years, good luck with that. I am confident that my new NSX will chug along year after year cuz it is Honda inside.
E) My wife and kids are likely to enjoy using the car too. My wife hates the F brand for the snobby owner situation.
F) The you spent how much stuff is important to some but not to me. A Corvette is king for the money but doesn't float my boat. Some people spend $200K for their home and some spend $2 million. At the end of the day they do the say thing. It is about what you like and are willing and able to pony up for it.
This is easy to say and some might think a bit of a cop out but I've decided to wait for a different variant of the NSX to be released. I love the hybrid platform but I'm not sold on the lack of steering feel which is universally it's single most talked about "miss". Even moreso than the beak interestingly enough.
For my purposes I'm looking to replace my current NSX which serves as a wknd, track, and GT car. I think the new NSX would only fulfill 2 of those. Yes, some say the 12C, but the reliability is crap... seriously it is.
I'm hopeful that the NSX will be sold in another trim level. I don't care if they use the Type R name but I want a standard steering rack and I want the single motor hybrid ok only. I do NOT want a twin turbo V6 only. Might as well buy a used Gallardo at that point...
For now, the GT4 seems to be the best replacement for my 1st gen NSX.
If I was commuting to work and wanted a super car the NSX, the 911TT, and the AMG GTS would top my list... maybe even a Tesla P95D would be thrown in there too. Funny that the 458 was a benchmark but seems like they built a 911TT instead.
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To be fair, the 650S is pretty darn good. That's about $200k in the secondary market.
For my purposes I'm looking to replace my current NSX which serves as a wknd, track, and GT car. I think the new NSX would only fulfill 2 of those. Yes, some say the 12C, but the reliability is crap... seriously it is.
I'm hopeful that the NSX will be sold in another trim level. I don't care if they use the Type R name but I want a standard steering rack and I want the single motor hybrid ok only. I do NOT want a twin turbo V6 only. Might as well buy a used Gallardo at that point...
For now, the GT4 seems to be the best replacement for my 1st gen NSX.
If I was commuting to work and wanted a super car the NSX, the 911TT, and the AMG GTS would top my list... maybe even a Tesla P95D would be thrown in there too. Funny that the 458 was a benchmark but seems like they built a 911TT instead.
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To be fair, the 650S is pretty darn good. That's about $200k in the secondary market.
For $200,000 you can get a 5 year old 458. Or for $160,000 you can get a brand new NSX. The majority of buyers out there would rather have a new car than a 5 year old used one. And this is doubly so when the 5 year old car is from a brand that's not particularly known for its reliability. You'd be taking on ownership at about the time problems are likely to start showing up.
On the other hand if all you want is a weekend toy that doesn't see many miles then the 458 may make a lot of sense.
Personally I'd rather drive my supercar every single day, stacking 100,000+ miles on it without worrying. Thus as appealing as the 458 may be the NSX feels like a safer long term choice. Plus the NSX will be more exclusive.
....or your can spend the same amount of money, get performance & reliability that will equal/eclipse just about anything for those dollars + you can probably get
one today.
IMO one of the best everyday supercars out there. As far as it's looks.... most agree it does OK. Low 20's MPG in real world conditions.
Acura pushed "exclusivity" on the original NSX - in the beginning it was & worked - in the end became a novelty & antiquated dud compared to the competition.
I'd rather be driving v dreaming.
I do look forward to unbiased NSX reviews w/o Acura "minders" controlling the game.
one today.
IMO one of the best everyday supercars out there. As far as it's looks.... most agree it does OK. Low 20's MPG in real world conditions.
Acura pushed "exclusivity" on the original NSX - in the beginning it was & worked - in the end became a novelty & antiquated dud compared to the competition.
I'd rather be driving v dreaming.
I do look forward to unbiased NSX reviews w/o Acura "minders" controlling the game.
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an Acura has never been exclusive in any way, and i'd not agree that even an old 458 isn't more exclusive than the brand new NSX. there may be more, and it may have been out for 6 years now, but the Ferrari in most people's eyes is still going to be far and away the more desirable car. you can debate all day that it's brand snobs, or stupid people, or whatever you want, but i don't know a single person in the real world (i.e. outside this website) who would argue otherwise. just fire up a 458 and let it idle, and that contest is already over...
p.s. 458's are hugely reliable and make for excellent daily drivers. many people do drive them every day.
I think people are underestimating the power of novelty and variety. The NSX need not beat all comers in all categories. It just needs to be "in the mix." From there, many buyers will go for the NSX simply because it is the new new toy and because of its cutting-edge technology (i.e., it's a car they haven't owned featuring technology that (essentially) no one has every owned).
I don't think the 911 Turbo is really the competition. Acura can sell all the NSX's they can make even if they ONLY sold them to people who ALSO own or have owned a 911 Turbo. Honestly, if you think you can only own one car like this in your life, you should probably get a 911 Turbo and count yourself lucky (few people get to own any of these cars ever).
As for the 458, I agree that it is the more desirable car, even if older and slower. I worry about the depreciation/total cost of ownership for a used 458 that you put a lot of miles on and beat up at the track occasionally--- it is still in the point in its lifecycle where people want to buy used ones that were never used much. I'd rather own one for a few years beginning in 2-3 years when the 488 deliveries start to soften the 458 market a bit more.
I don't think the 911 Turbo is really the competition. Acura can sell all the NSX's they can make even if they ONLY sold them to people who ALSO own or have owned a 911 Turbo. Honestly, if you think you can only own one car like this in your life, you should probably get a 911 Turbo and count yourself lucky (few people get to own any of these cars ever).
As for the 458, I agree that it is the more desirable car, even if older and slower. I worry about the depreciation/total cost of ownership for a used 458 that you put a lot of miles on and beat up at the track occasionally--- it is still in the point in its lifecycle where people want to buy used ones that were never used much. I'd rather own one for a few years beginning in 2-3 years when the 488 deliveries start to soften the 458 market a bit more.
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The most tangible thing a supercar can offer to (and stir up hype within) the majority who have no chance of ever buying (or even riding in) one is its appearance, particularly the fascia...
Still a fan but also seems like a bit more incubation time is needed.
I've been spending quite a bit of time in a 12C and a 650S and I can see the subtle, behind the scene improvements in the later versions done to the 12C....gradual improvements over the past 3 yrs... growing pains if you will. Thinking the same is likely on the new NSX.
All speculation until I get to spend real time behind the wheel of the new NSX. I still congratulate the folks who are lucky enough to own one now. Carpe diem!
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I'm no longer in the market as I just bought a 2016 GTR. Out of curiosity I looked at the on line NSX configurator and it is pathetic. Not a lot of choices, odd interface, high option cost. Mostly cosmetic. No standard brakes yet. I see a tough row to hoe at this price point, given the underwhelming power to weight ratio. My 2 cents, it will be way more reliable than the McLyin 12C in all it's iterations.
