What helmet to use at track events

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I am in the market to buy a helmet. The selections are numerous. What are your thoughts on makes, models and styles.

What is the difference between car and motorcycle helmets?

Does NSXPO require certain ratings? Or is it the track that sets the helmet rating?
 
If you do a search in the FAQs and here on the forum you will find hundreds of good posts about helmets.

Motorcycle helmets are not required to be fire retardent so you want to avoid the M class helmets.

Go to a good speed shop and try several on - it is difficult to buy online without trying one first.

Also - get the newest certification you can as it will be allowed the longest.

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Nick M

91' Red/Black with Many Mods
99' Honda Odyssey with Many Kids
 
I agree with what's been stated above. Regarding buying in person vs on line, it's not difficult to buy over the internet and have it shipped to you. What's difficult is finding a proper fit. Even using the various methods of measuring your head to determine a proper helmet size, you may very well wind up with a helmet that is uncomfortable. Definitely go to a place where you can try them on, and buy it there.

Originally posted by I'm NSXed:
Does NSXPO require certain ratings? Or is it the track that sets the helmet rating?

The organizers of the track event determine which ratings to accept. NSXPO 2003 will require a Snell 95 rating (1995 standard) or newer. While an SA95 helmet would be acceptable, you should buy an SA2000 helmet because a few years from now, the SA95 will no longer be accepted (at NSXPO or other track events) whereas the SA2000 will still be accepted for five years longer.
 
Quick plug for a friend. Shop around and get a lot of price quotes and then go to www.aztecpaintworks.com and give Chris a call. He specializes in custom racing helmets and carries Bieffe, Bell, and Simpson. You design your helmet or have him design it. May sell plain ones too. Not really sure. I am not affiliated w/ him, I have just personally seen his work and the quality of his helmets. I also know that he has VERY competitive prices. Hope this helps you out.
 
If you are just going to do autocross or weekend driver's ed, Snell 95 or better is usually what you would need as guys say above. I would recommend open face helmet that meets the snell rating. I have closed face helmet and it gets too damn hot during the summer. It'll be cheaper also.
 
For safety reasons - you may want to get a "closed chin" helmet.

If you are in a severe front collision and your head snaps forward with the extra weight of your helmet it could break your neck.

I run a closed face helmet and have removed the plastic visor. Under the "chin" I run a "foam neck brace" which is foam padding between your chest and the bottom of the helmet. The idea is to act like an inexpensive "Hans" device which will slow down the snapping motion during a front accident.

Just information and not meant to be preachy.

Edit - wrong term for neck brace - not a belaclava.

[This message has been edited by matteni (edited 24 February 2003).]
 
Originally posted by matteni:
I run a closed face helmet and have removed the plastic visor. Under the "chin" I run a balaclava which is foam padding between your chest and the bottom of the helmet. The idea is to act like an inexpensive "Hans" device which will slow down the snapping motion during a front accident.

I do the same thing - however, I thought the word "balaclava" refers to a cloth "sock" that fits over the entire head (which I don't use), rather than the foam neck support (which I DO use). The foam neck support also has the advantage of holding my head up straight even going through the turns. Oh, removing the visor (like Nick) also provides some ventilation, so it's not as hot as leaving it down.
 
Originally posted by matteni:
For safety reasons - you may want to get a "closed chin" helmet.

If you are in a severe front collision and your head snaps forward with the extra weight of your helmet it could break your neck.

I run a closed face helmet and have removed the plastic visor. Under the "chin" I run a balaclava which is foam padding between your chest and the bottom of the helmet. The idea is to act like an inexpensive "Hans" device which will slow down the snapping motion during a front accident.

Just information and not meant to be preachy.

That's a good point, but open face helmets are pretty light...about 2-3 lbs so I'm not sure if it'd have that type of detrimental effect. Maybe with all the weight on top, it may have some effect. During autocrossing or driver's ed where the environment is controlled, I don't expect that type of major accident to happen but never say never. I won't feel dangerous due to open face helmet but then I'm not a speed demon either.
 
Balaclava-Worn for fire protection 1 to 4 layer Nomex just to clear that up.

While others may disagree, the full face is the way to go unless you have a 5 point restraining system in the car and the proper interior padding. Yes open face is cooler, but i'll take the additional heat w/neck brace and full face anyday. I'm thinking a front end hit w/airbag w/o full face and its aftermath. No preachy, just a thought!!
 
Thanks for all of the info. Do the little vents in some full face helmets help keep your head cooler? It would think that they would not help much do to the windshield blocking you from on coming wind.

thanks again
 
I can't imagine the little vents doing much in a car. On a motorcycle, they do increase air circulation, but you've got ram air on the front and a vacuum on the back to make them work. Also, on a bike, you've usually got the faceshield to keep the windblast off your eyes. In the winter time, the vents also help to reduce fogging from your breath, again while riding a 2 wheel vehicle. As for full face vs not. Ask yourself this question, are you wearing the helmet because you are required to or because you want to protect your head. If it is for protection, why not make sure you get the benefit of the full face. It will help reduce the smack of an airbag on your face and also provide more protection if the steering wheel is pushed back into the path of the drivers head. But then, how much should you pay? I remember seeing an add for Bell helmets years ago, that said, got a $10 head, buy a $10 helmet. With Bell being a high priced helmet, it kinda made sense. But then I read a report from the CHP on helmets, and they found, it didn't really matter how much the helmet cost. If it was on your head during the accident, odds are you survived, if it wasn't, odds were you were dead. Their motorcycle accident reports show that head meeting concrete is quite often fatal, but protected head meeting concrete is not.

Oh, a special message to nsxtacy. In favor of Consumer Reports, when buying minivans, pay attention to which ones have the note that head-on collisions cause the steering wheel to move up and into the path of the driver's head. I think it was the Dodge Caravan years ago that had that special note.
See, I do read it and pay attention to what I find.
 
Originally posted by I'm NSXed:
Do the little vents in some full face helmets help keep your head cooler?

They don't really do anything in a street car. They are designed for open cockpit use.
 
Originally posted by nsx4fun:
But then, how much should you pay?

The really expensive helmets don't necessarily offer better impact or fire protection. They are usually lighter and sometimes look cooler. The first may mean a lot to a racer pulling 2-3 Gs all afternoon, but is not a huge deal for someone taking their NSX to club events pulling less than 1 G for 20 minutes at a time, the latter is a personal preference.

The most important thing is to get one that fits properly and comfortably and has the correct certification.

[This message has been edited by Lud (edited 25 February 2003).]
 
quoting LUD:

The most important thing is to get one that fits properly and comfortably and has the correct certification.

Lud, I agree. The point I was making,
MO' $ AIN'T NECESSARILY BETTER.
If NSXed is only going to use it occasionally for track events and he isn't planning on really pushing the car's envelope, he doesn't need to buy the most expensive one to protect the ole grey matter (or any recent dental work).
 
I would really suggest a full face helmet for one reason: FIRE. If you are wearing an open face helmet, especially if you have facial hair, you will be very close to your plastic surgeon if you are ever unlucky enough to be in an accident or have a fire in the car. A racer here on the east coast had this revelation last year, as he had just changed from open face to full face for that season. Even in autocross or HPDE events, the unexpected can always happen, so why take the chance for the extra $100 bucks.

As most have mentioned above, the most important thing is comfort. Go try on a bunch of different ones. They are like shoes, the same size by the same company will not fit exactly the same. You want a helmet that you can put on and not think about. BTW, I do think the little slots help, but not nearly as much as the built in tube for the blower systems, but then you are getting very, very serious
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Gary Yates
1995 Red/Tan Boooleevard Cruzer
1992 White/Black Track Rat
2002 Red and White Cooper S - for sale, please inquire
 
I finally found the link the the neck collars that fit under your helmet and help protect your neck in a very serious accident: http://www.fisher.org/store/category_listing.lasso?cat=Racewear,%20Collars

I used to get them from my favorite place - racer wholesale but they don't list them anywhere anymore.
http://www.racerwholesale.com is their web site

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Nick M

91' Red/Black with Many Mods
99' Honda Odyssey with Many Kids

[This message has been edited by matteni (edited 05 March 2003).]
 
Originally posted by matteni:
I finally found the link the the neck collars that fit under your helmet and help protect your neck in a very serious accident

Almost every race shop that sells helmets also sells neck collars.

Originally posted by matteni:
I used to get them from my favorite place - racer wholesale but they don't list them anywhere anymore.

They carry them (click here); they just don't index their website very well.

Note that Racer Wholesale sells them for $20 and fisher.org sells them for $55-79...

[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 05 March 2003).]
 
>>I run a "foam neck brace" which is foam padding between your chest and the bottom of the helmet. The idea is to <snip> slow down the snapping motion during a front accident.

I used to use one of these too but recently discovered there is no evidence that these work and there is much evidence that the additional weight of the collar worsens neck injuries. Use one if it makes you more comfortable in the car (it 'firms up' the shoulder/helmet area) but if you want to protect yourself from head and neck injuries caused by a whipping helmeted head you need a HANS device. Only the HANS reduces these forces to any degree. Independant testing has shown a reduction of neck tension forces by 80% with HANS compared to 18% with the Hutchens, White or similar devices. The HANS also helps reduce circular motions (most common cause of internal brain injuries) in an offset impact. DISCLAIMER I work for Hubbard/Downing Inc. inventors and manufacturers of the HANS device. Check the website hansdevice.com for more info if interested.
 
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