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I've been watching this show for last couple of times....and couldn't believe it's on air worldwide. Is this legal for a pirate ship logo to out committing criminal act on whaler? Seems like they're throwing acid bottles, attempting to disable the other ship, and so forth. Do they not have any options besides war? Are they stupid or hero?
 
Well... personally I hope they sink the whalers; that should be illegal and punished harshly.

It is illegal what they are doing, but they are hiding behind a research clause to fake like they are only killing a few for scientific purposes and research when they are slaughtering the whales for whale meat and profit instead. The problem is that there isn't anyone around to police their activities because they are in the remote parts of the anartic and the Steve Irwin is the only ship that is willing to go there. The whalers should be sunk.

If you've only seen a few, then you don't know the half of it. The Steve Irwin only uses non-harmful methods to deter the whalers like buteric acid which only makes the deck smell so bad they don't want to work. (they aren't very successful at even doing that by the way) The Japanese whaling ships however are becoming increasing more aggressive throwing large chunks of metal at them, LRAD aimed at a helicopter pilot which can disorient him enought to cause him to crash and die, etc.

If you ask me, having this show on the air will hopefully do some good and open some people's eyes to lowlife leaches that are profiting from something that was only legalized for research purposes only.
 
But there aren't likely to be any more episodes shot. The Canadians impounded one ship and the Australians impounded the other one. Two crew members have been found guilty in Canadian courts and are wanted. Denmark is likely to pull their flag.

In truth, the show has pretty much managed to shut Sea Shepherd Society down. Idiots invite a film crew to video them committing criminal acts.




Dutch want to revoke SS vessel registry (Dutch News)‏

Sent: July 16, 2009 2:08:24 PM


Dutch News
Govt Wants Emergency Act against 'Environmental Pirates'
27/06/09
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/270609_3.htm

THE HAGUE, - The Netherlands wants to ban the controversial
anti-whaling organization Sea Shepherd from sailing under the Dutch
flag. Public Works State Secretary Tineke Huizinga said Friday she
wants to amend the law quickly to make this possible.

The American organization Sea Shepherd has two ships sailing under the
Dutch flag. The Netherlands provided the necessary certificate of
registry for this in 2007, after Sea Shepherd had promised in writing
not to use violence and to comply with the safety rules. Nonetheless,
a number of incidents have taken place between Sea Shepherd ships and
Japanese whalers in the Antarctic.

Japan has repeatedly complained to the Netherlands about the Sea
Shepherd. It appears difficult at the moment to take action against
ships that do not comply with the rules, so the cabinet wants to
speedily extend its legal options for withdrawing certificates of
registry, according to Huizinga.


Captain Paul Watson or the nut job that Gilligan was fashioned after for the TV series, does not even have a ship now. Canada seized the Farley Mowatt. Australia seized the Steve Irwin ( formerly named the Robert Anderson) but there is more money & press coverage in selling the Crock mans name, then the Robert Anderson. Now Sea Sheperd's two ships are in the hands of two governments and they have their logs so neither ship is going anywhere.
 
What does GREENPEACE , a very well known environmental activist group think about Paul Watson , a former member of Greenpeace ?

This is directly from Greenpeace's website ~



Paul Watson, Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace: some facts


Paul Watson is the founder of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and an early member of Greenpeace. Over the last few years, Paul has become extremely critical of Greenpeace in the press and at his website. The information below is provided as a service to our supporters to get a few facts out on the table about Paul's history with Greenpeace and the nature of our disagreements.

Paul Watson became active with Greenpeace in 1971 as a member of our second expedition against nuclear weapons testing in Amchitka, and went on to participate in actions against whaling and the killing of harp seals. He was an influential early member but not, as he sometimes claims, a founder.

He was expelled from the leadership of Greenpeace in 1977 by a vote of 11 to one (only Watson himself voted against it).

Bob Hunter (one of Greenpeace's early leaders, after whom a Sea Shepherd vessel was named) described the event in his book, the Greenpeace Chronicles:

'No one doubted his [Watson's] courage for a moment. He was a great warrior brother. Yet in terms of the Greenpeace gestalt, he seemed possessed by too powerful a drive, too unrelenting a desire to push himself front and center, shouldering everyone else aside… He had consistently gone around to other offices, acting out the role of mutineer. Everywhere he went, he created divisiveness… We all felt we'd got trapped in a web no one wanted to see develop, yet now that it had, there was nothing to do but bring down the axe, even if it meant bringing it down on the neck of our brother."
Confusion: Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd


Watson founded his own group, Sea Shepherd, in 1977.

* in 1986, Sea Shepherd carried out an action against the Icelandic whaling station in Hvalfjoerdur and sank two Icelandic whaling vessels in Reykjavik harbor by opening their sea valves;[1]
* in December 1992, Sea Shepherd sank the vessel Nybroena in port;[2]
* Sea Shepherd claimed to have sank the Taiwanese drift net ship Jiang Hai in port in Taiwan and to have rammed and disabled four other Asian drift net ships;[3]
* a Canadian court ordered Watson and his former ship, the Cleveland Armory, to pay a total of $35,000 for ramming a Cuban fishing vessel off the coast of Newfoundland in June 1993;[4]
* in January 1994 the group severely damaged the whaling ship Senet in the Norwegian port of Gressvik.[5]



Each of the whaling ships noted above was refloated and refitted for continued whaling.

In a 2008 article in the New Yorker, Watson claims that Sea Shepherd has sunk ten ships since its founding, but the author of the article notes, with some skepticism, that she was unable to verify that number.

Paul Watson's and Sea Shepherd's actions have sometimes been wrongly attributed to Greenpeace, often in an attempt by others to damage Greenpeace's reputation for non-violence.

Greenpeace has never sunk a whaling ship.

Some anti-environmentalists try to use the fact that an extreme minority in the environmental movement resorts to force and sabotage to brand the movement as a whole as "terrorist." One such attempt has been specifically condemned by a Norwegian court. [7]

In 1991, we had an agreement with Sea Shepherd that we would refrain from public criticism of one another. Today, many of Sea Shepherd's fundraising communications and Paul Watson's public communications are filled with attacks on Greenpeace, our methods, our activists, and our supporters. They are often peppered with inaccuracies and outright untruths. Paul Watson is still fighting a one-sided battle that was over for Greenpeace in 1977.

In most cases, we simply don't respond to Paul Watson's criticism. While we don't agree with Sea Shepherd's methods, we also know that stories of divisiveness within the ranks of environmental groups distract from the real issues which unite us, and we prefer that when the media writes about whaling, they write about the real issues. Although Paul Watson is a vehement anti-whaling activist, he regularly lends his support to attacks on Greenpeace -- some of them organized by the whalers themselves. [8]

Our committment to non-violence: why we don't cooperate


Paul Watson has made many public requests for Greenpeace to reveal the location of the whaling fleet or otherwise cooperate with Sea Shepherd in the Southern Ocean when the ships of both organizations have been there simultaneously.

We passionately want to stop whaling, and will do so peacefully. That's why we won't help Sea Shepherd. Greenpeace is committed to non-violence and we'll never, ever, change that; not for anything. If we helped Sea Shepherd to find the whaling fleet we'd be responsible for anything they did having got that information, and history shows that they've used violence in the past, in the most dangerous seas on Earth. For us, non-violence is a non-negotiable, precious principle. Greenpeace will continue to act to defend the whales, but will never attack or endanger the whalers.

We differ with Paul Watson on what constitutes violence. He states that nobody has ever been harmed by a Sea Shepherd action. But the test of non-violence is the nature of your action, not whether harm results or not. There are many acts of violence -- for example, holding a gun to someone's head -- which result in no harm. That doesn't change their nature. We believe that throwing butryic acid at the whalers, dropping cables to foul their props, and threatening to ram them in the freezing waters of the Antarctic constitutes violence because of the potential consequences. The fact that the consequences have not been realized is irrelevant.

In addition to being morally wrong, we believe the use of violence in protection of whales to be a tactical error. If there's one way to harden Japanese public opinion and ensure whaling continues, it's to use violent tactics against their fleet. It's wrong because it puts human lives at risk, and it's wrong because it makes the whalers stronger in Japan.

We work with many other groups whose methods differ from ours, and we know the power of cooperation among groups with a common objective but diverse ways of working. For decades, we have had productive working relationships with the Worldwide Fund for Nature, Friends of the Earth, International Fund for Animal Welfare, Sierra Club, Environmental Investigative Agency, and a host of other groups dedicated to whale conservation. We would only be willing to cooperate with Sea Shepherd under the condition that it would not facilitate endangering human life.

To give one example, in 2005/2006, Sea Shepherd attempted to snarl the propeller of the Nisshin Maru with a rope and cable, as reported on their own website:


Two of our three zodiacs were equipped with devices we had made to foul their propeller; basically two buoys connected with steel cable and rope that we would place in front of their ship in hopes that the Maru would run it over, it would pass underneath their hull and into their propeller at the stern of their ship causing their ship to slow down dramatically or be stopped completely. The Maru was running at full speed away from the Farley. Both zodiacs deployed their devices repeatedly. None seemed to work against the goliath Nisshin Maru ship...

Running out of options and having lost both of our propeller fouling devices, all hope seemed lost of slowing the Maru...


Disabling a ship at sea in the Antarctic, regardless of how much one may object to its activities, is not only a callous act of disregard for human life -- it's courting an environmental disaster in one of the most fragile environments in the world.

Such tactics are not only dangerous to the whalers, they are dangerous to the cause of stopping Japanese whaling. Our political analysis is unequivocal: if Japanese whaling is to be stopped, it will be stopped by a domestic decision within the Japanese government to do so. That's why we have invested heavily in a Greenpeace office in Japan and efforts to speak directly to the Japanese public -- 70 percent of whom are unaware that whaling takes place in the Southern Ocean at all. A majority of those who are aware of the whaling program, oppose it. Support for whaling in Japan has been steadily falling for the last decade. Consumption of whale meat is in decline, the cost of the program to taxpayers is being questioned by the business community, and the political costs of the program have created opposition in the Foreign Affairs department in Japan. All of this progress could be undone by a nationalist backlash. By making it easy to paint anti-whaling forces as dangerous, piratical terrorists, Sea Shepherd could undermine the forces within Japan which could actually bring whaling to an end.
A few facts


We've got fairly thick skins here at Greenpeace. When you challenge powerful forces, you need to be ready to put up with accusations of ulterior motives and hidden agendas. What's unfortunate is when we have to spend time countering friendly fire -- attacks by an organization that shares the same goals as we do. We don't mind robust disagreements, but we do object to falsehoods.

As the New Yorker article on Paul Watson noted, in his book "Earthforce!":

Watson advises readers to make up facts and figures when they need to, and to deliver them to reporters confidently, "as Ronald Reagan did."


Paul Watson has claimed that Greenpeace goes to the Antarctic merely to film whales being killed, to wave banners and to bear witness to their deaths -- but does nothing to save them.

This is untrue.
 
“We’re not a protest organization, we’re a policing organization,” Paul Watson has said of his Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS). A pirate organization is more like it. Sporting the skull and crossbones, his black or battleship-gray ships sail menacingly through the waves. They are painted with the names of the boats Watson has rammed and sunk.

The ships are fitted with water cannons, a concrete-filled bow made for ramming, and an attachment dubbed the “can opener” that can tear open a boat’s hull. In his book Earth Warrior, David Morris writes that Watson wears a long bowie knife at his side and carries AK-47s on board. He blasts Richard Wagner’s rousing “Ride of the Valkyries” to herald his arrival and terrify his victims.

SSCS’s mission is to stop fishing of which it disapproves. Its preferred methods? Ramming and sinking fishing ships, throwing butyric acid on their decks, and firing machine guns. Watson argues that United Nations resolutions authorize him to commit violent acts. But he regularly interferes with fisherman and hunters who are committing no crime. He serves as judge, jury, and executioner -- while enjoying the same tax-exempt status as universities and churches.

Some of the animal-rights movement’s most notorious terrorists got their start with SSCS. One of them, convicted arsonist Rodney Coronado, had Watson’s approval to plan and execute an attack on Iceland’s whaling industry. He and a colleague sank two of the fleet’s four ships and destroyed a processing facility.

The Birth of Violence

SSCS is run with an iron fist by its founder, “Captain” Paul Watson. “When this ship becomes a democracy,” he likes to say to his crew, “you’ll be the first to know.” Watson is a dyslexic who “progressed from deckhand to able seaman without knowing how to tie a knot” with the Canadian Coast Guard and Norwegian and Swedish merchant marines.

In Vancouver, Watson joined a group of anti-war activists who attempted to forcibly shut down American nuclear tests. These radicals branched out into environmental activism and became Greenpeace, of which Watson was a founder. But Watson’s violent tactics became too much for Greenpeace, which kicked him out in 1977, after he assaulted seal hunters. Watson now assails his old comrades for being too wimpy, calling Greenpeace “the Avon ladies of the environmental movement.”

Soon after Watson’s eviction from Greenpeace, Sea Shepherd and its ship-ramming philosophy were born. SSCS’s band of pirates have disrupted the legal Canadian seal hunt, attacked whaling ships and fishing boats using driftnets, and taken credit for spiking (inserting large nails into) thousands of trees. The group has sunk at least ten ships in Iceland, Norway, Spain, Portugal, South Africa, and the Canary Islands. Watson has even sunk his own ships rather than let the authorities take them. And he has spent time in the jails of Canada and the Netherlands. “Any whaling ship on the ocean is a target for the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society,” he has said.

Watson’s love for marine life doesn’t stop him from eating fish. “Paul, who likes hamburgers and grilled cheese sandwiches equally, interprets veganism as a form of philosophical lunacy,” David Morris writes in Earth Warrior. Morris’s book details often-hilarious disputes between Watson and the vegan crewmembers. One standoff ensued when Watson ordered the vegans to retrieve a driftnet left by an escaped fishing vessel. The crew took an agonizingly long time, trying to free every squid caught in the net, about which Watson couldn’t care less. He didn’t even mind profiting from the work of the ship he threatened -- Morris reports that he later sent his chef over to the net to “requisition a few squid for dinner.”

On the Fringe

Paul Watson has used his aggressive and illegal tactics to further other political causes. In 1992, replicas of the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria retraced Columbus’ voyage on its 500th anniversary. Watson, with Canadian Indians aboard his ship, confronted the Spanish fleet and demanded a written apology -- threatening to sink the Santa Maria if the Spaniards didn’t comply. Watson received his written apology from the terrified captain.

Watson also controls two covert groups under the SSCS umbrella. He established the Oceanic Research and Conservation Action Force (O.R.C.A. FORCE) with his ex-wife Lisa DiStefano (a former Playboy model). This shadowy undercover group damages and destroys ships at dock. Their agents have scuttled ships in Taiwan and Norway.

Watson’s second group, the Coeur du Bois (Heart of the Wood), is an underground group of tree-spikers. Watson claims to have invented tree spiking, whereby activists hammer large nails into trees about to be logged in an effort to hurt lumberjacks. Watson claims the group has spiked over 20,000 trees. In 1987, a California mill worker was horribly disfigured after his blade struck two spikes in a tree, almost severing his jugular vein. But Watson is unrepentant. “Those loggers don’t give a damn for future generations,” he said. “And if they don’t have any compassion for the future, I don’t have any compassion for them.”

Watson claims his group was the first to produce videotaped evidence that U.S. tuna seiners were killing dolphins, and he argues that commercial fisheries are callously emptying the seas. He recently called for governments to prohibit the catch of fish to feed livestock and pets. And he is collaborating with Indian groups in British Columbia to oppose all salmon farming.

Ultimately, he advocates the total shutdown of the global fishery industry. “There is only one solution to the problem of over-fishing and the collapse of the fisheries worldwide,” reads one Sea Shepherd press release. “The answer is simply to say ‘no to fish.’”

One of Watson’s latest escapades has landed him in some serious trouble. According to The Tico Times, Central America's foremost English-language newspaper, Costa Rica is investigating him for attempted murder after Costa Rican fishermen said he attacked them when he tried to force their boat into a Guatemalan port in April 2002. A judge ordered him to stay in Costa Rican territory. A defiant Watson instead fled the country.

Questionable Donors

Where does Watson get the funds for his exploits? In part, from an eclectic cadre of shadowy personalities.

That includes Susan Bloom, a long-time donor to the most extreme factions of the environmental and animal-rights movement. Bloom was the founder and main financier of the British Columbia animal-rights group Bear Watch, which employed David Barbarash, a former “spokesman” for the terrorist Animal Liberation Front (ALF). Paul Watson has hosted at least one Bear Watch fundraiser.

Ann Johnston gave SSCS almost $2.7 million in stock in 1997. Her husband, Pritam Singh, is a real estate developer and a member of SSCS’ financial and management advisory board. According to the Key News Journal, he’s under investigation by the FBI for his questionable business dealings. One Key West attorney has also filed a civil lawsuit against Singh, alleging almost 20 years of criminal activity -- including racketeering and fraud. Singh was fined $1.2 million by the federal Office of Thrift Supervision in 1995. And he quietly settled a lawsuit filed by members of his sales staff who said he illegally withheld their commissions.

Johnston’s 1997 stock donation included shares of a company named Northern Development Associates, a for-profit business which is now 100-percent owned by Sea Shepherd.

Corporate records show that the company’s officers include Watson’s ex-wife Lisa DiStefano and longtime associate Michael Kundu. Northern Development’s mailing address is the same as Pritam Singh’s Key West Golf Club. Watson and DiStefano also serve, with Singh, on the board of something called the Sea Trek 2000 Foundation. The mailing address for that group is the same as one of Singh’s Miami lawyers.

Motivation
Paul Watson craves attention. His dramatic physical attacks are designed to gain maximum media exposure. He has written that “The hint of romance and piracy or the possibility of violence guaranteed coverage.”

In addition to taking credit for inventing tree-spiking, Watson says he was the first to put his body between a whale and a harpoon. Indeed, he is known in the environmental movement as something of a show-off. Even long-time terrorist colleague Rodney Coronado joked, “If lightning struck a whaling ship, Paul would accept responsibility for it.”

Of course, the money doesn’t hurt, either. Crewmembers are charged $1,000 for the honor of working long hours on an expedition. Watson has long claimed (as recently as his 2002 memoir) that he has kept his vow to “never accept a single dollar for myself from charitable donations.” The group’s 2001 tax return, however, indicates Watson was paid $40,000 as president and CEO. He also makes money from lectures, books, and teaching at the Arts College of Design in Pasadena.

But neither fame nor fortune is really Watson’s primary motivation. He’s a misanthrope who prefers porpoises to people. “I couldn’t understand her compassion for humanity,” he says of an old girlfriend. “She chose people and I chose the Earth, and thus we began to drift apart.” He likes to accuse those who care about people of being “anthropocentric.” And he constantly refers to humans as mere apes.

Watson also has a seething hatred of the people whose livelihood he threatens. He’s an elitist who, despite his upbringing among maritime fishermen, has no sympathy for those who make their living from the ocean. He begins his book Seal Wars by calling Canadian sealers “the uneducated and the institutionally unemployed,” “barbarians,” and “piss-drunk on cheap booze.” Western Canadians who support a wolf control program are likewise branded “rednecks.”

Of his native Canada, Watson has said he “despise its government and dislike its people.” Scandinavians, meanwhile, are “the children of the rapers of Ireland and executioners of the Celts.” The “bloodlust of these Viking offspring” who hunt whales made him “ashamed” of his Danish ancestry. And Watson once shouted through a megaphone at Makah Indians on a whale hunt: “Just because you were born stupid doesn’t give you any right to be stupid.”

Watson has wrangled with Sierra Club head Carl Pope, asking why the group wasn’t more concerned about human population growth, particularly in the U.S. He has no sympathy for immigrants wishing to leave behind the horrid conditions of third-world countries to make a better life here. In fact, the desire to eat and have leisure time is almost a crime for Watson: “When an immigrant becomes an American citizen, they increase their rate of resource consumption by a factor of twenty.”

To Watson, saving seals is more important than saving human beings.

Blackeye
Though self-named a “Conservation Society,” Sea Shepherd is a violent organization. Its purpose is to ram and sink ships. Earth Warrior author David Morris details one such voyage in search of driftnetters. Even in this gushing account, Morris notes, “The gunfire that accompanied our attack on the Japanese ships was not defensive.” So it’s no surprise that Sea Shepherd’s expeditions have served as a fitting training ground for other animal-rights militants.

Rodney Coronado has long been involved with criminal groups such as the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), which the FBI has identified as the country’s most dangerous domestic terrorist threat, and the special-interest ALF subset known as SHAC. He was sentenced to 57 months in federal prison for the 1992 arson of a Michigan State University research laboratory. He admitted to at least six other arsons in a November 30, 2002 speech. In January 2003, he demonstrated to a group gathered at American University the “correct” way to build a firebomb out of household materials. And Paul Watson gave him his start.

Coronado joined SSCS immediately after graduating from high school in 1984. Two years later, he proposed a plan to covertly attack Iceland’s whaling industry. He and David Howitt, a British bicycle mechanic, destroyed a whale-processing facility there, and sank two of the Icelandic whaling fleet’s four ships. Watson supported the plan and SSCS took responsibility for the destruction.

In the mid-’90s, Coronado again wanted to join a SSCS expedition. But he was wanted for questioning by the FBI and Watson said no. Watson was regretful, however, calling him “an excellent crew member and the best damn activist I ever had.” These words give the lie to Watson’s claim that “we have absolutely no links with the so-called Animal Liberation Front.”

SHAC organizer and spokesman Joshua Harper has also served as a SSCS crewmember. Harper describes his goal as “the complete collapse of industrial civilization.” A young man with an impressive criminal record, Harper was jailed in 1997 for assaulting a police officer, and in 2001 for violating a summons to testify regarding ALF and its sister organization, the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). He was also incarcerated in 1999 for attacking Native Americans on a whale hunt; Paul Watson’s ex-wife Lisa Distefano, and current wife, Allison Lance Watson, were also charged in that attack.

In April 2002, Allison Lance Watson was ordered to appear before a federal grand jury along with a number of other animal-rights activists. Former ELF spokesman Craig Rosebraugh issued a press release announcing her subpoena. Watson’s attorney was Stuart Sugarman, the same lawyer who represented Rosebraugh when he appeared before a U.S. House of Representatives committee in 2002 and refused to answer questions.

Alex Pacheco is another activist who started his career with SSCS, in the late 1970s. He now serves on one of its advisory boards. Pacheco is co-founder and former chairman of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, an organization whose leaders openly advocate terrorist violence. “Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are ‘acceptable crimes’ when used for the animal cause,” he once said. Pacheco is rumored to be a “commander” of ALF and has been subpoenaed in connection to ALF activities.

Watson once held a fundraiser for the “Kentucky Fried Five,” a group of animal-rights activists who vandalized a fast-food outlet in Toronto in 1987, claiming they were “scapegoats.” An empty KFC chicken bucket was passed around for donations. The hooligans pleaded guilty to mischief resulting in willful damage, and possession of burglary tools and stolen property. Two of the five were also accused of possessing explosives, carrying weapons, and vandalizing the Toronto University dentistry school, but those charges were dropped as part of a plea-bargain. One of the latter two, David Barbarash, has served as an ALF spokesman, and The Oregonian said the group was an ALF cell.
 
I've been watching this show for last couple of times....and couldn't believe it's on air worldwide. Is this legal for a pirate ship logo to out committing criminal act on whaler? Seems like they're throwing acid bottles, attempting to disable the other ship, and so forth. Do they not have any options besides war? Are they stupid or hero?

Stupid or hero is just a matter of perspective Pooh, right? These people are very passionate about protecting whales. They say what the whalers are doing is illegal. The whalers have these hokey signs that say "we are conducting research"... come on... how many whales do you have to kill for "research"? Research of what?

What they are throwing over is not "acid bottles", it is a harmless chemical that smells foul.

They are the only people out there even seeing what is going on, and now trying to document it to bring more awareness. It is pretty easy for the whalers to go out and do what they wish. The whales getting harpooned in the head don't have much of a voice in the matter.
 
Do they not have other means to stop the whalers? disabling the other ship with rope causing damages to the propeller is not cheap? throwing acid whatever onto the ship to contaminate the whale meats or to foul smell is assault? That action there just give the japanese another reason to harpoon some more to meet their quota. The way I look at it, Steve Irwin is a pirate....I don't condone the killing, but there should be another way to stop it. So far, the japanese hasn't respond to the actions. they could defend themselves with bullets.....as they're in the international water.... just my opinion.

Stupid or hero is just a matter of perspective Pooh, right? These people are very passionate about protecting whales. They say what the whalers are doing is illegal. The whalers have these hokey signs that say "we are conducting research"... come on... how many whales do you have to kill for "research"? Research of what?

What they are throwing over is not "acid bottles", it is a harmless chemical that smells foul.

They are the only people out there even seeing what is going on, and now trying to document it to bring more awareness. It is pretty easy for the whalers to go out and do what they wish. The whales getting harpooned in the head don't have much of a voice in the matter.
 
Do they not have other means to stop the whalers? disabling the other ship with rope causing damages to the propeller is not cheap? throwing acid whatever onto the ship to contaminate the whale meats or to foul smell is assault? That action there just give the japanese another reason to harpoon some more to meet their quota. The way I look at it, Steve Irwin is a pirate....I don't condone the killing, but there should be another way to stop it. So far, the japanese hasn't respond to the actions. they could defend themselves with bullets.....as they're in the international water.... just my opinion.

There is no Japanese "quota" Carla, the quota is basically as many as you can kill. It is a for-profit business. "Piracy" is theft for financial gain. The volunteers on the Steve Irwin aren't stealing anything... they aren't there to make money. They are risking their own lives to protect whales. The whalers on the other hand are in it for the buck. They use a loophole in the law. "Research". They take a natural resource that is protected because it belongs to you and to your future children. They take it from you and me, and sell it and get rich. Those massive boats and operations aren't there because they aren't making money. So I have to ask.... who is the real pirate?

Somehow I think many more people would be offended if they were in international waters stealing gold, some kind of mineral, or oil. All sorts of people would be up in arms about it. But instead a beautiful creature loses its life in a rather grotesque way, often leaving its young to fend for itself, and people care less.
 
What they are throwing over is not "acid bottles", it is a harmless chemical that smells foul.

Harmless chemical ? NIOSH disagrees with you.
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1334.html

CHEMICAL DANGERS:
The substance is a medium strong acid. Reacts with bases and strong oxidants. Attacks many metals.
EXPOSURE
AVOID ALL CONTACT!
IN ALL CASES CONSULT A DOCTOR!
•INHALATION Sore throat. Cough. Burning sensation. Shortness of breath. Laboured breathing. Symptoms may be delayed (see Notes).
Ventilation, local exhaust, or breathing protection.
Fresh air, rest. Artificial respiration if indicated. Refer for medical attention.
•SKIN Pain. Redness. Blisters. Skin burns.
Protective gloves. Protective clothing.
Remove contaminated clothes. Rinse skin with plenty of water or shower. Refer for medical attention.
•EYES Pain. Redness. Severe deep burns. Loss of vision.
Face shield, or eye protection in combination with breathing protection.
First rinse with plenty of water for several minutes (remove contact lenses if easily possible), then take to a doctor.
•INGESTION Burning sensation. Abdominal pain. Shock or collapse.
Do not eat, drink, or smoke during work.
Rinse mouth. Do NOT induce vomiting. Refer for medical attention.

ENVIRONMENTAL
DATA
The substance is harmful to aquatic organisms.
 
It is a for-profit business. "Piracy" is theft for financial gain. The volunteers on the Steve Irwin aren't stealing anything... they aren't there to make money.


'Piracy' comes in many forms of theft.


Funding is important. Which brings me to a recent post by regular Donnie Mac Leod on Brian Carnell's excellent site AnimalRights.net. Mr. Mac Leod points out that Paul Watson "has publicly admitted that the seal hunt is the most profitable of all the activist activities and that is how Greenpeace used to raise the bulk of their money" and points us to the 1978 audio of that CBC interview (Watson had resigned or was booted from Greenpeace in 1977 after a dispute with the Greenpeace Board of Directors):

Here's a verbatim transcript of part of the interview:

[ . . . ]

Announcer Beyond the sound and the fury, there's a lot of hard cash on the line. The seal hunt is big business. It means $3 million a year for several thousand Newfoundland fishermen. Another $2.5 million a year to secondary industries of packaging and processing.

[02:16] And now, the third and fastest growing sector of the seal business: the protest industry, worth well into the millions, and still growing.

While Newfoundland fishermen struggle along at the poverty line, the seal protest business is booming. From all over the world, hundreds of thousands of dollars pour into the offices of the International Fund for Animal Welfare, the Animal Protection Institute, the Greenpeace Foundation.

It comes in so fast the groups just can't seem to spend it all.

Paul Watson, a former director of the Greenpeace Foundation in Vancouver, was kicked off the foundation's Board of Directors last June after a disagreement over the tactics for fighting the hunt.

[02:55]Female voice Mr. Watson, how easy is it to raise money against the hunt?

Watson Well, I think that of all the animals in the world or any environmental problem in the world the harp seal is the easiest issue to raise funds on. Greenpeace has always managed to — to raise more money on the seal issue than for the campaigns than has actually been spent on the campaigns themselves.

The seal hunt has always turned a profit for the Greenpeace Foundation. And then other organizations like IFAW, API, Fund for Animals, also make a profit off the seal hunt.

[03:29]Female voice You suggesting that they fight for seals rather than other animals because it's easy, or easier to raise money that way, or because it's a profit maker for them?

[03:38]Watson Well it's definitely because it's easier to make money and because it's easier to make a profit because there are over a thousand animals on the endangered species list, and the harp seal isn't one of them. [My emphasis . . . ed.]

Female voice Did anyone in Greenpeace ever express that aloud, that it was easy to make some hay on the seal hunt so let's get into that?

[03:55]Watson Well, a lot of people have done that. See the thing is the seal is very easy to exploit as an image. We have posters, we have buttons, we have shirts, all of which portray the head of a baby seal with the tears coming out of its eyes. Baby seals are always crying because — its — they're always — the salt tears keep their eyes from freezing. But they have this image — they're baby animals, they're beautiful, and because of that, coupled with the horror of a sealer hitting them over the head with a club, it's — it's an image that just goes right to the heart of — of animal lovers all over North America.

[ . . . ]

And now we have a dozen people this year from Greenpeace California — I mean they're coming from the highest standard of living region in North America — they're traveling to the place with the lowest income per year on this continent telling them not to kill seals because they're cute but not endangered species.

Yet off the coast of California there are three species of dolphin — the spinner the spotted and the white belly — and they're being slaughtered towards the brink of extinction by American tuna boats. And then the slaughter of (unintelligible) sea turtles in (unintelligible) in Mexico.

Female voice Now what happens within Greenpeace when you raise a point like that?

[05:08]Watson They know they can't raise any money off of it. They know that if they send a crew down to try to interfere with the killing of sea turtles in Mexico that they're not going to get any support. And they know that if they — the problem with the dolphins is that there's so much competition there is so many groups that are trying to raise money to protect dolphins and protect whales . . .

[05:27]Female voice How much money did Greenpeace raise the year you left against the seal hunt?

Watson Well, last year, I had submitted a budget for $60,000. We spent $55,000, and I believe we raised well over $100,000. And I do know that . . .

[ . . . ]

Watson Well, Greenpeace protesters in the last two years were not paid a salary. They were all volunteers.

This year, the crew members are paid volunteers. Their salaries, I would believe — I would think that the amount of money spent on salaries for the Greenpeace organization right now is about a quarter of a million dollars a year.

There are other groups too, like API — Animal Protection Institute —

Female voice How much do they spend to fight the seal hunt?

[06:49]Watson I don't think they spend anything. They put their money into advertising, which they say makes the public aware, and also it has their address on the corner which has people send in more money. So, in fact every time they invest money in advertising, they make more money back in return.

Female voice Any idea of total sum of all the money raised every year, to fight the seal hunt?

Watson Well, I would estimate between API, IFAW, Greenpeace and any other groups that's three to four million dollars.

Female voice Are these funds collected from individuals who feel badly, or are there corporate givers, do you know?

Watson No, mainly they're from . . .

Female voice So two and five dollar customers?

Watson Yeah. A lot of school children, a lot of pensioners.

Female voice Your fear then is that it isn't just money that people can easily spend, that it's coming from people who you think would be better off keeping it.

Watson Well, I think that a lot of the money is now being abused.

Female voice In addition to their salary, I assume that there's a lot of money to be used from the group for your personal living expenses — traveling, money raising . . .

Watson Oh certainly. The people in additional to getting a salary — Greenpeace people are flying around the world all the time. I mean Australia, Japan, Hawaii, California, Norway, England. There — at any time there are a dozen people that are on their way to or from these countries. Right now we have Dr. Paul Fong is in Hawaii on his way to Japan. People are in Europe. You know. So there's a lot . . .

Female voice And those are all business expenses.

Watson Yeah. I think that the problem that is happening, and that it deserves criticism, is that the organization becomes more important than the issue.

So there you have it . . .

Though the interview dates from 1978 and Skipper Paul was talking mainly about Greenpeace, the logic certainly works for the SSCS: the organization becomes more important than the issue, which makes money all-important, as it must be if the organization is to thrive. Any capitalist will tell you that . . .

The non-endangered harp seals are the focus of attention, rather than endangered species like dolphins and sea turtles which really are on the brink of extinction, because the harp seals appear cute and cuddly and are therefore very useful levers for prying money out of pockets — if mainly from the pockets of kids and pensioners, so be it. The harp seals are also useful because, at least at the time, there were so many groups championing dolphins and whales that it would have been hard to compete with them for funds . . .

Assets — like a good reputation that will help raise bucks — are to be nurtured. Liabilities — like Board members who advocate assassination and might jeopardize fund raising — are to be discarded . . . but only if absolutely necessary.

Let me make this ethic crystal clear: good = anything that benefits income; bad = anything that jeopardizes income.
 
They are the only people out there even seeing what is going on, and now trying to document it to bring more awareness.

Sea Shepard is not the only ones there. Greenpeace has ships there too.


Greenpeace chases away Japan's whalers


Greenpeace said yesterday it had chased Japanese whalers out of hunting grounds in the Southern Ocean, disrupting the planned slaughter of almost 1,000 whales.

The Greenpeace vessel, the Esperanza, chased the main Japanese ship, the Nisshin Maru, through hundreds of miles of thick fog after spotting the whaling fleet on Saturday, the group said. The fleet's catcher ships fled in another direction and will be unable to hunt as long as they are separated from the Nisshin Maru, which processes and stores captured whales. "Now they are out of the hunting grounds they should stay out," said Sakyo Noda, a Greenpeace campaigner from Japan.

Japan warned the protesters not to interfere with the whalers as they attempt to reach this year's quota of 935 minke and 50 endangered humpback whales. The International Whaling Commission banned commercial whaling in 1986 but allows Japan to conduct hunts in the name of scientific research.

"Past activities of Greenpeace have been responsible for vessel collisions that risk the lives and safety of our researchers and crew and are illegal under international maritime law," Keiichi Nakajima, president of the Japan Whaling Association, said in a statement. "I urge Greenpeace ... to keep a safe distance."

Greenpeace said the chase had so far deprived the fleet of two days' whaling. "If they start whaling again we will launch inflatables and put ourselves between the harpoons and the whales," Dave Walsh, a Greenpeace spokesman, said from the Esperanza. "We are not here to attack whalers; we are here to defend whales."
 
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If they see a whale, they will kill it in the name of research -- even if it is the last one on earth.
 
If they see a whale, they will kill it in the name of research -- even if it is the last one on earth.

I seriously doubt that. There would be world-wide outrage if that ever occurred.




Currently the Japanese are harvesting less than 1000 Minke whales per year.

Population levels ( data provided by the International Whaling
Commission )

Population


MINKE WHALES

Southern Hemisphere


1982/83 - 1988/89


761,000 (best guess)


510,000 - 1,140,000 (estimated)


761,000 Minke whales minus 1000 harvested = sustainable population levels.

I am quite sure the remaining 760,000 can breed and give birth to an additional 1000 young to restore population levels in one year.
 
I hope there will be world-wide outrage if that happens. Right now we lose another species at the rate of 1 every 20 minutes and it gets a world-wide shrug.

It's just that it (whaling) is a repugnant enterprise that is now unnecessary. We don't use spermicetti to oil our lamps because now we use petroleum to power our light bulbs. God forbid the asian meat markets should be bereft of research whale blubber. People's tastes would have to change.
 
It's just that it (whaling) is a repugnant enterprise that is now unnecessary. We don't use spermicetti to oil our lamps because now we use petroleum to power our light bulbs. God forbid the asian meat markets should be bereft of research whale blubber. People's tastes would have to change.

That is the key to the problem , people's tastes would have to change. If people did not wish to purchase whale meat , there would be no market for the whaling.

How would you feel if U.S. citizens enjoyed eating whale meat and had legal whale hunts to get meat for the table ?
 
That is the key to the problem , people's tastes would have to change. If people did not wish to purchase whale meat , there would be no market for the whaling.

How would you feel if U.S. citizens enjoyed eating whale meat and had legal whale hunts to get meat for the table ?

I suppose the answer would depend upon whether or not I was an Inuit.:smile:
 
I suppose the answer would depend upon whether or not I was an Inuit.:smile:


GOOD ANSWER - 2 points. :biggrin:



Whaling is currently legal in the U.S.

However , you will not see Sea Shepard or Greenpeace trying to stop the whaling. It would be politically incorrect and would not help bringing in any money to support these organizations.



CATCH LIMITS FOR ABORIGINAL SUBSISTENCE WHALING

The Commission sets catch limits for stocks subject to aboriginal subsistence whaling.

With the completion of the RMP, the Scientific Committee has been developing a new procedure for the management of aboriginal subsistence whaling. This must take into account the different management objectives for such whaling when compared to commercial whaling. This is an iterative and ongoing effort.

The Commission will establish an Aboriginal Whaling Scheme that comprises the scientific and logistical (e.g. inspection/observation) aspects of the management of all aboriginal fisheries. Within this, the scientific component might comprise some general aspects common to all fisheries (e.g. guidelines and requirements for surveys and for data c.f. the RMP) and an overall AWMP within which there will be common components and case-specific components.

At the 2002 meeting, the Committee completed its work with respect to the Bering-Chukchi-Beaufort Seas stock of bowhead whales. It agreed a Strike Limit Algorithm (SLA) for bowhead whales and the scientific aspects of a Scheme; the SLA was adopted by the Commission. Work on the Strike Limit Algorithm for gray whales in was completed in 2004 and adopted by the Commission. The situation for the Greenlandic fisheries for fin and minke whales is more complex. A considerable amount of research, especially concerning stock identity, is required and to this end, the Committee has developed a research programme in cooperation with Greenlandic scientists.

Bering-Chukchi-Beaufort Seas stock of bowhead whales (taken by native people of Alaska and Chukotka) - A total of up to 280 bowhead whales can be landed in the period 2008 - 2012, with no more than 67 whales struck in any year (and up to 15 unused strikes may be carried over each year).

Eastern North Pacific gray whales (taken by native people of Chukotka and Washington State ) - A total catch of 620 whales is allowed for the years 2008 - 2012 with a maximum of 140 in any one year.

Source - International Whaling Commission






Now , taking into the fact that as most Americans shun whale meat , horse meat or eating of dogs or cats how do you think most Arab/Islamic/Jewish people feel about the fact that Americans like to eat pork ? How would you like it if they decided that we should not consume the flesh of this animal ? Better yet , let the people of India dictate that we cannot eat beef because the cow is considered a holy animal in their country.
 
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Well, aside from the fact that I tend to do the opposite of what people in those countries would have me do out of principal ….

Thoughts on pork: it looks like the pig population is in no danger, even with swine flu. The fact that there are some 40 million wild pigs doing damage to places where they are not a native species tends to help put them on the dinner table.
In the interest of full disclosure, though, the more I hear about the intelligence of pigs the more I think that a pig would make a good pet.

Sorry to offend the Indian people by eating cow. Are there any food items that aren’t revered somewhere? I’d eat more cabbage but I hear that the voodoo people worship the heads ….
 
There is no Japanese "quota" Carla, the quota is basically as many as you can kill. It is a for-profit business. "Piracy" is theft for financial gain. The volunteers on the Steve Irwin aren't stealing anything... they aren't there to make money. They are risking their own lives to protect whales. The whalers on the other hand are in it for the buck. They use a loophole in the law. "Research". They take a natural resource that is protected because it belongs to you and to your future children. They take it from you and me, and sell it and get rich. Those massive boats and operations aren't there because they aren't making money. So I have to ask.... who is the real pirate?

Somehow I think many more people would be offended if they were in international waters stealing gold, some kind of mineral, or oil. All sorts of people would be up in arms about it. But instead a beautiful creature loses its life in a rather grotesque way, often leaving its young to fend for itself, and people care less.
Lol, I think you have your poohs mixed up:wink:
 
A somewhat thought provoking statement was made be a colleague in the office today about this show. As best I as I remember this is what she said:

"The majority of of folks that applaud the 'noble' and 'courageous' efforts of the Sea Shepeards to protect another living creature are generally the same folks that tend to cast declarations of radicalism toward those who actively try to prevent human life abortions."

She made this comment in a mixed group and it was tather comical to see their collective reactions! I don't have a horse in that race, so I just observed. The outspoken progressive types in the group debated the corollary, but the statment itself was 100% accurate for this group of 10 people today.

My view is that there are plenty of strange bedfellows on both sides of isssues... it just comes down to our perceptions of our reality that dictate whether one life is more important to us than another to get involved at the activist level.
 
Lol, I think you have your poohs mixed up:wink:

Hahahahaha... do I? I thought it was Carla! Poohbear is not Carla? I wouldn't have even replied otherwise.

Crager, I mean this with no offense, but if you are posting the long threads just for me, don't. I am not reading them. I view this area completely different than you do, I think we already established that in the last thread. If you are posting for others to read, then that's fine. I don't have the stamina to go into a long discussion with you on this that will end up with neither of us agreeing anyway. And I don't think anyone else will care about our debate.
 
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