Transmission Noises

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My transmission is making noises that I am not sure if it is the throwout bearing, mainshaft bearing or countershaft bearing. I say this because the sounds are different under respective conditions. Here goes.

Start engine first thing in the morning, with transmission in neutral, clutch out I hear what may be the throwout bearing. Transmission still in neutral, I push in the clutch and the noise goes away. Vehicle is not rolling. Noise seems to be quieter as things come up to operating temperature. Throwout bearing?

Start from a dead stop and as I am going through the gears applying gas - not stomping on it, just normal driving - I hear a "mechanical whirl" or "mechanical growl" that becomes quieter in each gear. In 4th gear, the noise is quiet enough so as to be almost masked by road / wind noise. In 5th gear, I cannot hear the noise at all, but I am not sure if there is no problem with 5th gear or if like the previous gears the noise is present but inaudible to my ears. Input shaft bearing?

Steady-state cruising in any forward gear, let off the gas and with the clutch still engaged, I hear the same noise but a slightly different pitch and not as loud. Again, loudest in 1st gear and quieter in 4th gear. Countershaft bearing?

Driving in 4th gear, clutch in, downshift to 3rd gear, but do not let out on the clutch and there is a different noise as if the mainshaft RPM is increased. Clutch still in but move the gear selector shaft to neutral and the noise is gone. Clutch in, downshift to 2nd gear, but do not let out on the clutch and there is this same noise but louder as if the mainshaft RPM is increased even more to simulate shaft speed it would be spinning at so as to maintain the same vehicle speed. Do this again for 1st gear and this noise is even louder. Input shaft bearing?

I have no difficulty shifting up or down into any gears, so I think that rules out the synchros and clutch. I have always used Redline fluid.

Here is a good comparison. If you have watched the in-car video of the machines in the JGTC series, you can hear a very distinct mechanical noise of the Hewland transmission. My noises are similar. I think Hewlands have straight cut gear to transmit power optimumly, at the compromise of quietness. The NSX transmission gears are cut at an angle to run quieter.

Any ideas?
 
Hi Andy,

1. I agree the first noise is the throw-out bearing, and I hear mine all the time under the same conditions, no worries IMO.

2. This "Whirl/Growl" is changing (getting quiter) as the countershaft increases speed (Some multiple of the wheel speed, in fact the R&P ratio:). So I would suspect one of the three countershaft bearings, but hard to say which from the driver's seat.

3. Lift off the gas, sounds like countershaft bearing as you mention.

4. One of the two mainshaft bearings for sure. As you engage gears, especially progessively to lower gears the mainshaft speeds up, which coordinates with the sound change you mention.

I would say the trans is wearing overall, but I think it is not "worn out", just showing signs of age. Unless of course these noises started abruptly as of late.

If it was abrupt, and I know this may sound crazy, but I would consider checking your snap-ring, easy to do, and hopefully just for routine check :).

HTH,
LarryB
 
I would say the trans is wearing overall, but I think it is not "worn out", just showing signs of age. Unless of course these noises started abruptly as of late.

Actually, the noises first became noticeable back in January. However, at that time they were so faint that I "brushed it off". But you know what? It was right after I had the BBSC (more HP) installed. MB, you rat bastard, why are you costing me more money? j-k :D HP is like crack.....addictive but legal. :cool:

If it was abrupt, and I know this may sound crazy, but I would consider checking your snap-ring, easy to do, and hopefully just for routine check.

This tranny is certified to not be in the snap ring range. But just for grins, I am having the fluid changed Saturday and will have the SR looked at as well.

Thanks for the tips.
 
Yup,

Based on the year of your car, I was not thinking it was "in the range", but remember "the range" is not always the last word, especially since you have added that HP you mention:), that snap ring is taking a beating now! LOL...........................

Again, I have more confidence it is OK, then not, but worth a look for sure.

Good Luck,
LarryB
 
Same problem here, started notecing the bearings in first gear and up.
What makes a lot of whirl-noice is shifting down to first from 2nd, then let the engine fall to idle, and release the clutch slowly, this letting the engine catch up with the wheels.

I have been there with this bearing problem, i don't know if it is a Honda thing, but i changed the bearings in my CRX gearbox 2 times, for the same noise.

And no, the gearbox of a CRX is constructionwise not much different from a NSX.


Cheers,

Mich
 
Hi Mich!!

Hope all is well. Funny you mention about the similarity of the transmission. I noticed the other day reading through the 2000 Accord service manual that the manual trans is a "mini" NSX trans!

The layout is identical, only ther parts are slightly undersized.

Stay Well,
LarryB
 
The tech said that as he drained the fluid, he saw no metallic glitter. This would be a good thing.

Before yesterday, my friend (Parts / Service Director at that particular Honda dealership) said that once the noise is there it is just a matter of what my tolerance level is, before I decide to bring it in. However, the tech said it is the loudest he has ever heard a Honda manual transmission. He basically said don't go on any road trips. This would be a bad thing.

The car is a 95 that right now has 80005 miles on it. I average 14k miles per year. I think it was summer of 2000 that I had short gears and the 4.55 installed; therefore, miles on that transmission (it is not the original transmission) would be approximately 49000 miles.
 
Sounds like you get max enjoyment out of your car. Thats good. Usually noise relates to degregated metal to metal contact. I think the drain plug has a magnet and you can check it for "FUZZ". Except for this, Happy holidays. Dan
 
I asked the tech if the transmission drain plug is magnetic, and he said that it is not.

Yes, I do get max enjoyment out of the car. :)

However, I am in tenderfoot mode until I get it to the shop. Bummer, I was gonna do a dyno session this weekend, but not until the transmission is repaired.

If I let the car gently coast in stop-n-go traffic so as to not produce hard decel vacuum, it sounds like a worn-out transmission of a school bus. Good thing the pump is driven by the countershaft (or is it the LSD carrier?), so lubrication is still provided with the gear select handle in neutral and the clutch let out.
 
AndyVecsey said:
Good thing the pump is driven by the countershaft (or is it the LSD carrier?), so lubrication is still provided with the gear select handle in neutral and the clutch let out.

Nope, when the car is not in motion, the pump is not driven (since it's on the LSD which is on the wheels).

But don't worry, having a pump in the gearbox is very unusual.


Mich
 
The noise was the leading ball bearing on the mainshaft.

Additionally, there was some damage to the 2nd gear on the countershaft. We don’t know exactly how this occurred, but it is interesting to note that this gear and the aforementioned bearing are in close proximity of each other, albeit on opposite shafts. Could one damage have led lead to another?

Finally, the screen on the suction of the pump was significantly plugged.

We replaced all bearings, all synchros, the entire short gear set and the 5th gear assembly.

Now I can get back to tuning. :cool:
 
Not that I mind telling - $3119 - but why do you have to ask?
 
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