those pesky north koreans...

China needs to get off their aXX and clear that real estate for redevelopment immediately.

Why not give South Korea a chance to take back what China did to them 50 years ago?
 
...and they just put that US reporter in a labor camp jail for 12 years for crossing the boarder illegally. Too bad the US didn't have the same policy. But it would appear the talking heads are rounding up the hatred and anger to ready the feeble minded to lay down their lives. The good news is it will create a lot of jobs.
 
I like how everyone keeps making really really strong condemnations of North Korea's continuing middle finger to the world. Because those strongly worded condemnations always work! Naughty N Korea, Naughty!
 
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I like how everyone keeps making really really strong condemnations of North Korea's continuing middle finger the world. Because those strongly worded condemnations always work! Naughty N Korea, Naughty!
agreed.

i'm curious, what would you suggest as the best means to "handle" n. korea?
 
agreed.

i'm curious, what would you suggest as the best means to "handle" n. korea?

When you say 'handle', i think you're spot on. You can't have a rational conversation with a psychotic dictator like him. Just the stories of his amazing exploits (as told by him) are proof enough. There aren't many options really.

1) invade, blow the whole place to hell. After the iraq shenanigans, this is unlikely. Unless N Korea do shoot a missile at someone, then there is an excuse to invade.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear
They seem to be asking for it.

2) Wait for the lineage to die out. Or kill them spec ops style.

3) Continue sanctions. As we've seen, doesn't work so well. Maybe turn North Korea into a Black Hole. No trade, no food no help. Let the whole country fall into a state of disrepair until they concede to demands.

4) hold a democratic type election, rig the vote and place a puppet in power. Works for everyone else! j/k

I don't see any solution except for an eventual violent showdown, which in war will mean the general population will suffer. We (the world) can continue to give them time to accrue/make weapons which will mean more bargaining power for them. I don't see any winners in any of these options.

When a dog has rabies you put it down.
 
I wonder if Kim Jong-Il's son ever leaves N. Korea. You know, to hang out in Switzerland where he went to boarding school, or to Ibiza like any single eligible dictator-to-be would do? If so, have the CIA kidnap the young chap and THEN start the negotiations... Or maybe just a few precisely targeted Bunker Busters into Kim Jong-Il's headquarters (if that's known) and let the country fall into a disarray.
 
3) Continue sanctions. As we've seen, doesn't work so well. Maybe turn North Korea into a Black Hole. No trade, no food no help. Let the whole country fall into a state of disrepair until they concede to demands.

When a dog has rabies you put it down.
given all of the tremendous variables and potential for things to get really, really ugly - especially for their nearby neighbors, south korea and japan - ratcheting up and enforcing sanctions (of all types) may be the most prudent way to handle them. doesn't look like the regime is going to die out and i'm betting they would leave the kidnapped son to his destiny.

the bunker buster may be the path finally taken.

not much upside visible with the folks.
 
Considering they keep doing "nuclear" tests, but can't seem to get it right this would seem like a great opportunity to drop a nuke on them and then tell the press they must have made a mistake in one of their tests. Sounds plausible to me.
 
Considering they keep doing "nuclear" tests, but can't seem to get it right this would seem like a great opportunity to drop a nuke on them and then tell the press they must have made a mistake in one of their tests. Sounds plausible to me.
ok, i'm chuckling out loud on that one... "must have had a shorter fuse than they thought" is not something i'd thought of.
 
given all of the tremendous variables and potential for things to get really, really ugly - especially for their nearby neighbors, south korea and japan - ratcheting up and enforcing sanctions (of all types) may be the most prudent way to handle them. doesn't look like the regime is going to die out and i'm betting they would leave the kidnapped son to his destiny.

the bunker buster may be the path finally taken.

not much upside visible with the folks.

it's really the only option to keep relative stability for now anyway, but not a solution. :frown:
 
Just curious to know why people think it's ok for some nations to have nukes and not others? What's the criteria?

Regards,
Bruckner

The criteria is generally that we (citizens of the globe, not "we" as in Americans, or Canadians) don't want any "new" nuclear powers in the world. It is bad enough that we (Americans) have them, and the Russians can't seem to keep track of theirs. (actually- neither can we... )

The fact is, there are too many ways to kill everyone as it stands, so allowing further proliferation of these devices is pretty much undesirable.

Also, it would be nice if the "Dear Leader" of a nuclear power nation didn't think of himself as a present-day-god. That is a little creepy, and the idea of someone whose stability is in question having Nukes to deploy is more than a little bit scary.

I realize that the Bush haters out there might make some snarky comparison here, but fact is- Kim Jong Il makes Bush look like a brilliant politician.

P
 
Just curious to know why people think it's ok for some nations to have nukes and not others? What's the criteria?

Regards,
Bruckner

The criteria should be that if they have nukes and they point them at Canada or California then it's O.K. to have them.
 
The criteria should be that if they have nukes and they point them at Canada or California then it's O.K. to have them.

What are you going to do if Canada gets wiped off the map by N. Korea's nukes? Where will your storms come from? Where will you go fishing? Do you have no mercy for moose?

Regards,
Bruckner
 
What are you going to do if Canada gets wiped off the map by N. Korea's nukes? Where will your storms come from? Where will you go fishing? Do you have no mercy for moose?

Regards,
Bruckner

At least we'll be rid of those damn geese that keep crappin' all over our beautiful golf courses ...... "Once and for all!!!!!"
 


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