I had my deposit down on an 05 Touring package (thats the high end one here in Canada, not sure what they call it in the US) but eventually decided against it and got an 05 MDX instead. I thought we'd get more seating options for the kids with the minivan, but it turned out to be even more limited because of tether/LATCH constraints. My kids are young, and all 3 need to be in carseats/boosters and the third row seating only has a single tether/LATCH in the middle. In the touring model, they got rid of the middle seat in the 2nd row and do not even have a seatbelt for the middle position like the other models. Going with the lower end model means you don't get some of the other features which are ONLY present on the Touring edition. Sigh. I also felt that given the pricepoint which is approaching the MDX, it lacked some basics like power passenger seat, had cheap controls for Navigation etc. There were some minor ergonomic considerations too like when the car is in Park, the shifter blocks the Navigation control! There are a *LOT* of things I like about the '05 Oddyssey, but the main thing for us was the seating considerations, and the other minor things and fit+finish just added up and made us go with the MDX for now. In 4 years once the kids are older and can go in any seat, we'll probably reconsider the Oddyssey. I've gotta say though, that I'd normally never consider a minivan, but the new Oddyssey in the high end package feels very little like a van, yet retains all the benefits of a van. Things like the lazy susan are an AWESOME idea for families with kids and all kinds of toys and garbage that are always littering the family car. Good job Honda!