The maximum horsepower!!!!

Is because i am having a fight with a man who says the Nissan Skyline (GT-R) is better, so, he said the Skyline can have about 1000 horsepower, with all the modifications, so i want to know how much does the NSX can have?
 
I would be tempted to say that no matter how much money you spent, sticking with something resembling the stock block, you could get higher max horsepower out of a Skyline than an NSX. However, if the peak horsepower output is what makes the Skyline a better car than the NSX, then I would just say that the Skyline is far better and leave it at that. Or mention that the Skyline couldn't hold a candle to a tuned Mustang or Camaro.
 
Originally posted by hondaclubcr:
Is because i am having a fight with a man who says the Nissan Skyline (GT-R) is better

Has he even driven a GTR? How much seat time does he have behind the cockpit of an NSX? Does he even know how VTEC sounds behind one's ears?

BTW, seat time behind a PS2 game console does not count...




[This message has been edited by 8000RPM (edited 17 August 2002).]
 
Originally posted by hondaclubcr:
What is the maximum horsepower a NSX can have? with superchargers, or turbo, or NOS, etc...

Ok, well, I love these almost useless and totally relative discussions.
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Not to go back to the Best Motoring Videos too often, but VOL 3 has what they call the "Ultimate Battle at SUGO Circuit". They look at the Porsche 996 based Turbo, Ferrari 360 Modena, Corvette Z51, Nissan Skyline GT-R V Spec II, Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VII, and Honda NSX Type S. In battle 2, they have the final showdown between a Nismo GT-R Fully blown Skyline and the Porsche Turbo and Ferrari.

Needless to say, the Corvette did really poorly, but the driver admited that it was too much power for him to handle. Even the Ferrari wasn't driven well in the first battle. The NSX did poorly compared to all the 4-wheel-drive cars. Clearly power to all 4 wheels wins the day on the track in this test.

Well, long story short, the fully maxed out Nismo GT-R had more HP that most, at about 450hp, compared to 420 for the Porsche Turbo and the 2 cars were VERY closely matched with the corner entrance and exit speeds as well as braking going to the modified GT-R. But there was no where near 1,000 hp on the GT-R. Now, that is not to say that some idiot who wanted to run 1,320 ft as fast as possible under 10 seconds couldn't run the GT-R up to 1,000 hp and then just cook the engine... but I think most of us would admit to "what is the point" on that deal.

I also find it interesting that you "go fast" guys always act like you are 12 years old, like going fast is the ONLY thing that matters. I love the cars they blow to 600+ hp and forget the brakes, suspension, tires, etc. thinking they will get around to those things later. That makes any car DANGEROUS to the driver and anyone else on the road with you.

All modifications need to be made with the specific application in mind and with the tradeoffs and related mods. Well, with that said, it is hard to get a lot more than 100 hp per liter without adding NOS or Turbos. Even the Porshe Twin Turbos only offer 116-120 hp per liter. Race cars have more, but the engine life is not realistic for anyting but track time. NOS is sometimes good for 100 hp burst, but it is hard to get more than 500-600hp out of any engine as small as the NSX and the GT-R.

Keep in mind that most engine blocks these days can't be bored out like in the old days since the cylinder walls are already pretty thin. You can extend the stroke a lot more on these engines, but still not that much. So, engine displacement isn't really a good way to build hp. You just won't see a 500hp normally asperated engine and that is what you would need to order to even approach 800 hp in blow and NOS modes. So, I think 1,000 hp on a GT-R is someone smoking crack.

Keep in mind that it is no small deal to keep all this stuff cool and that isn't just larger radiators, multiple fans and intercoolers for the turbos... at some point you have to increase moving the fluids away from the hot engine and there just isn't enough engine bay space to contain all the needed plumbing. Keep in mind that 993 and before Porsches used OIL and not water and were air cooled so that the 13 quarts of oil could be used to get higher performance out of the engine since oil was better at dealing with high heat than oil.

Anyway, not sure any of this was helpful, but always fun. I think if you had 800 hp in and NSX like the Venom Viper or the Henessey Corvette that it would be a full time job to put all that power to the ground. With any luck, Acura will consider the next NSX as an ALL-WHEEL-DRIVE car. That way the 400+hp V-8 will have a life due to a reliable way to put power to the pavement.


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Gordon G. Miller, III
2000 NSX-T #51 Yellow/Black
 
Originally posted by hondaclubcr:
Is because i am having a fight with a man who says the Nissan Skyline (GT-R) is better, so, he said the Skyline can have about 1000 horsepower, with all the modifications, so i want to know how much does the NSX can have?

Tell him your dad can beat up his dad.

Nobody who understands actually anything about cars has arguments like that.
 
Originally posted by hondaclubcr:
Is because i am having a fight with a man who says the Nissan Skyline (GT-R) is better, so, he said the Skyline can have about 1000 horsepower, with all the modifications, so i want to know how much can the NSX have?

Easy, just tell the man 1001 horsepower End of discussion.
 
Originally posted by hondaclubcr:
Is because i am having a fight with a man who says the Nissan Skyline (GT-R) is better, so, he said the Skyline can have about 1000 horsepower, with all the modifications, so i want to know how much does the NSX can have?
You will get more than 1000hp out of the RB26DETT, I think HKS has gone as far as 1600hp and Mario (www.exvitermini.com) has dynoed well over 1000 all wheel horsepower from his.

Keep in mind those cars won't be very easy to drive and the power comes at very high rpms (Mario's car redlines at 11,500) due to turbo lag. Most owners that want to road race settle for 600-800hp which can be achieved realiably and with good powerband so it will still be easy to drive.

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- Sami
1992 Nissan Skyline GT-R
 
Comparing a Normally Aspirated car and a Turbo car is like comparing apple to oranges. A turbo car begins its life with a low compression engine, intercoolers, larger fuel injectors, etc. An N/A has no such provisions. Even slapping on a Supercharger or Turbo is not the same when a car is turbocharged from the factory. It's my opinion that generating high horsepower from a turbo car is much easier and cheaper than a N/A car. You probably won't be able to run high boost on a custom supercharged/turbocharged NSX or any N/A car for that matter without cracking open the engine.

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2001 NSX-T
- Bilstein Shocks
- '02 OEM Wheels
 
G-man, I have that BM video you are talking about and the driver at no time mentions that "The car had too much power for him to handle". Most of the drivers are JGTC Gt 500 drivers driving 500hp cars that weigh less than 2500lbs. I don't think a 3200lb Covette with 350hp will be too much. I DO however remember him saying that the car's suspension was too soft and not tuned for the track.

Are you reading the english captions? or do you speak Nihongo?
 
Originally posted by hondaclubcr:
Is because i am having a fight with a man who says the Nissan Skyline (GT-R) is better, so, he said the Skyline can have about 1000 horsepower, with all the modifications, so i want to know how much does the NSX can have?
aside from your reasoning about which is better (useless)better is in the eye of the beholder.I dont think hp makes any single car the best..ugg enough of that.the gt-r can put down 1000 + without cooking the motor as one of the other posters noted.and I dont know if any of us know the limit of the nsx except maybe honda.and while speaking of that.some of you mock the hp hungry posters and you yourself (not all but alot) are installing every go fast part you can afford ..myself included.ken would be the exception.his idea of a go fast mod is driving his stock car downhill
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payback for the torino post...very amusing still.but this still boils down to a good old pissing contest.why argue with the guy.opinions are like well you know.
david
 
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