Test Pipes

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My 98 3.2 has an H&S aftermarket exhaust and the procar AIS and CF filter system. I am pleased with sound/visuals and added performance. At 289bhp I'm so close that I would love to hit the 300bhp, but only by keeping it naturally aspirated.

My question is whether to install test pipes or not? I'm interested in the views of others who have installed them. I do not plan to change the headers.
1. Will the test pipes release more ponies?

2. How will they impact or cabin noise?

3. Are there other refined mods to move closer to 300 my goal?

Thanx in advance

Regards, Paul
 
Well I'm sure you're not going to get 20 horses from test pipes. Maybe 3 to 5? Sombody wanna chime in on this? I CAN tell you however that I was VERY VERY worried about putting them on my car. I didn't want it to sound rice or be too loud. I'm very happy with the sound. I have SOS headers, test pipes and a Comptech exhaust.
 
I only picked up 4 whp with the test pipes, and that was with a CTSC. It wasn't worth the risk of getting caught in CA with test pipes.
 
Having a real tuner tune my car, I picked up 5 HP.
I'm also running Comptech Headers & Exhust
No big deal, but the sound is incredable.
They are loud.....so get ready for that.
Rice sounding, not really........

However, for the 60+HP your looking for, it's going to take a lot more than test pipes, headers & exhust.

HP cost money, no way around it.
 
However, for the 60+HP your looking for, it's going to take a lot more than test pipes, headers & exhust.HP cost money, no way around it.
My target is to extract another 11hp to reach 300hp.

Thanx for the responses guys, it would appear that test pipes are probably good for 4-5hp which would leave me looking for 6 or 7 to hit target. As for noise levels, these do not seem to be an issue. I am right to expect littel or no impact to cabin noise levels?

Unlike the earlier 3.0 ECU, I understand that the later OBDII is not as tuneable. Is this correct? If it can be tuned then I'm sure this would not be an easy exercise, however it may offer the options of changing the vtec range and overall drive of the car.

From the vast experience people have, where else might these few horses be found? I really dont want to change the headers at this time.

Regards, Paul
 
Unlike the earlier 3.0 ECU, I understand that the later OBDII is not as tuneable. Is this correct?


Yup, But from what I hear the NSX OBD II ECU is pretty darn good to start with.
 
No smoke.

But it does have a stronger/slight exhaust smell.
 
What's the weight savings - say over the high-flow cats? I have the hi-flow, probably not worth the extra 1 or 2 hp to go, but curious about the weight..
 
I can have the weight #'s by next week. I'll be posting a full report then.
 
The car WILL be much louder with test pipes.

I haven't put test pipes on my NSX, but I've run them on several other cars, and the cats normally installed on cars do more to muffle noise than even the mufflers themselves.

If you want temporary HP, try some 104 unleaded race gas to get your dyno to read 300, then go back to readily available pump gas for daily driving. At least you'll know you could make 300 if you wanted. But at $9/gallon, you probably wouldn't want to run it all the time.

That gas might not get you 11 HP, but I bet it would get you halfway there.

Then you could overinflate the tires to 40 psi or so to reduce rolling friction, and put some lightweight oil in to cheat the dyno even more. Also pack some ice on the intake to cool the air charge.
 
Is the smell heavier than when the car is just started up cold before the cats are warmed up?


Thats kinda what it smells like.

It's a distinct smell. You only really smell it when you have no cats. Same smell on my S2000 with no cats too.
 
test pipes alter the power band/curve?

does it kill low end TQ yet gives more on the top end?

I'm not sure if 104 octane will give it more HP.

Esp. on a NA car.

HIgh octane allows u to crank more power and increases ur detonation threshold. So it's one of many ingredients to more HP.
 
I agree on the octane part, I don't think your going to get any HP from that.
 
unless your ECU is programmed to dynamically locate the detonation limit and optimize AFR for power, higher octane will not provide additional power above 91. (the OEM ECU does not do this...)

If you have a standalone, you can program multiple ignition, fuel maps and trims for different Octane levels to optimize the power.
 
I'm not sure if 104 octane will give it more HP.

Esp. on a NA car.

HIgh octane allows u to crank more power and increases ur detonation threshold. So it's one of many ingredients to more HP.

It doesn't unless you can adjust the fuel and timing. I tried with mine a few years ago with the Stock ECU and actually lost power till the rpm's got over 7k and then it leveled out.
 
Where to start... hopefully I can cover everything.

First of all, this has been beaten to death in the FI section.

A) Smell. Please read closely. There are two origins for the bad smell people notice. 1) The original 'test pipes' that street cars had were actually gutted cats. The gutted cats quickly deteriorated and gave off the same small as rotting cats do [very unpleasant]. People then deduced that test pipes will give off the same smell by incorrect conclusions. 2) On vehicles in which the test pipes were installed but no tuning was done, the a/f is often off from what it should be. The most prominent 'problem' is running rich. People smell the extra fuel and blame it on the test pipes. 99.9% of motorcycles do not have cats in any form, especially outside of California. Do they smell awful/odd when they go by?

B) Power gains [or lack there of]. Every car and every setup is different. Bottom line, test pipes do increase power. I could go on and on about this in great detail to counter all the misconceptions regarding back pressure and all sorts of nonsense. The best gains are when the piping before and after the test pipes are most effective. If you have a great header and a stock catback, test pipes are going to have a minimal effect. If you have a stock header and an 'ok' cat-back, they will have a little bit more substantial effect but still relatively minor. 5-7.7whp is what I'd expect from a properly sized test pipe setup with good parts on each end on a n/a car, with the right tuning. Test pipes are still often one of the best bang-for-the-buck aftermarket parts out there.
Knowing the fundamentals of how engines/power is produced in general, it's hard for me to understand anyone who says test pipes don't increase power. But don't take my word for it, go see how many race cars run cats to get faster lap times. It may take a while.

C) Sound Volume. Again, it depends on the particular setup and car and most importantly, how do you rate/communicate the difference in sound effectively? This is how I put it, for a given exhaust system, a test pipe will increase the total sound volume by 10% or less. However, that 10% maximum may contribute to significantly more 'raspiness'. That's impossible to predict accurately as just minute tuning adjustments or even the installation of a particular exhaust component can effect this between cars. In general, I'd say the added volume is quite minimal. When people say test pipes are "LOUD" it really makes me second guess what they consider loud and or want to hear their particular system before and after.

As for the 'octane', on a stock compression n/a car higher octane isn't going to do anything substantial even with "perfect" tuning. Higher octane is designed for power plants that were built in advance knowing higher than 91/93/94 octane is what the engine will run on best; usually 12:1 and higher cars regarding n/a applications. Of course there are exceptions but most "gains" from higher octane are usually on modded cars that weren't tuned correctly in the first place. (Small note: check out the LS460's stock compression for that 4.6ltr V8 that runs on 91!)

Lastly, I have never heard of anyone being fined in any state at any time for running test pipes. I've also only heard of 1 or 2 occurrences when the officer even looked under the car, both instances were to make sure they weren't running open header as I understand it.
 
I didn't notice much gain in grunt with the test pipes, but did feel the noise level increased quite a bit. Enough that I swapped exhausts. I had been running Tiatec Parallel ex. and liked the sound. When I installed a set of '97 stock headers, the easiest way was to eliminate the Cats,( to save all that weight) and have Cody make me some custom pipes to connect the 97 pipes with the 91-94 style exhaust. The car sounded wicked, but so loud that within one week the exhaust was swapped out for a Comptech. I'v experienced no smell problems. I think if you want the HP, you will have to spend a day, and some cash, and install headers.
 
It deff. increases sound more then 10%. I'd say it doubled.
 
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