Steel Rotors Costs Similar to CarboCeramic

[Bricks and Bio]

Vtec.net has long been a good source of Honda intel

The NSX threads have been light but a poster named Potenza unearthed some fun trivia regarding the replacement parts list pricing for the Steel ves CarboCeramic rotors

Carbon ceramic rotors:
MSRP Front - $5454 each
MSRP Rear - $4208 each

Steel rotors:
MSRP Front - $5400 each
MSRP Rear - $4166 each

So basically, for folks who went steel to save consumable costs going forward, Acura may not be helping this work out, except for the $10K savings on the [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]initial purchase of the car[/FONT]

 

[sadlerau]

I read that and thought - that's gotta be wrong! It would be cheaper to get some AP Racing or Alcon rotors made to fit, than pay those prices?

 

[Elistan]

Are these steel rotors with a gold core to distribute heat?
Iirc I paid around $100 for a full set of rotors for my S2000.
I'm not saying I don't believe those numbers, but... I don't believe those numbers.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

S2000 world is another thing and I used to pay $12 for an oil and filter change that included a car wash, free coffee, apples and a shuttle ride

NSX world is a 1 percenter game

 

[Elistan]

S2000 world is another thing and I used to pay $12 for an oil and filter change that included a car wash, free coffee, apples and a shuttle ride

NSX world is a 1 percenter game

And a 997 Turbo? A full set of Porsche steel rotors is about $1200 or so from what I can tell from Pelican Parts. That's about 6% of the cost claimed above.

(The last S2000 oil change I had done, many years ago ago so perhaps it's changed, was around $35 iirc and didn't include any perks beyond waiting in the waiting room. No underbody panels to remove, no sump to scavenge, just a single drain bolt, no computer to reset, no special tools or training required. The cost of an oil change which includes labor doesn't have any bearing on the parts-only cost of an item. It'd be like going to an Acura dealer and saying 'I'd like 10 qts of NSX-spec engine oil' and they say 'Sure, that'll be $2000.')

 

[Bricks and Bio]

The problem is volume and investment (at the dealership level) at this point.

Lexus LFA parts are also completely nuts as an example.

Porsche has a super well developed market and prices high, but not Ferrari high as far as I can tell.

I am hearing that the NSX oil change will be $350 to $500. Based on my use of the car (3600 miles in 10+ months), that will be an annual expense plus the winter/summer tire change overs at about $150 per visit.

Most NSX dealers will be in the red on their investment for many years based on the crappy sales numbers. My selling dealer only sold my car and has had one on the show room floor that they spec'd for 7+ months.

 

[Tom239]

I'm not saying I don't believe those numbers, but... I don't believe those numbers.

They are listed in online catalogs. E.g.,

https://www.acuraoemparts.com/auto-...f-trim/dct-engine/chassis-cat/rear-brake-scat
rear ceramic rotor 42510-T6N-A01 list $4,208.33 ($2,945.83 discounted)

https://www.acuraoemparts.com/auto-...e-trim/dct-engine/chassis-cat/rear-brake-scat
rear steel rotor 42510-T6N-G03 list $4,166.67 ($2,916.67 discounted)

 

[Elistan]

LFA brakes might be very expensive, but they're ceramics.
F430 steel front brake rotors are only $350.
At this point, my best theory is that it's a pricing mistake.

(ps - looks like I might have actually paid about $400 for a full set of rotors for my S. It was quite a few years ago so the memory is hazy at best.)

 

[Tom239]

But these are special steel rotors. They took almost a year longer to bring to market than the ceramic ones. :wink:

 

[Elistan]

But these are special steel rotors. They took almost a year longer to bring to market than the ceramic ones. :wink:

Indeed! I wonder if Acura simply do not have a replacement part price yet, so the above site (and several others, tbh) has substituted in a ceramic brake rotor price in the meantime. Fayetteville Acura's part page simply doesn't list a price for the BASE trim's brake rotors, but has the $4k+ price for the FIF trim's rotors.

 

[chrisn]

There is zero chance that these numbers are correct. Zero.

 

[neuronbob]

Those numbers CAN'T be right. I just don't believe it.

And $350-500 for an oil change? I can afford, but what justifies that cost?

It can't be the hybrid system. An oil change in my RLX Sport Hybrid (ie same system, minus turbos) cost no more than any other Acura.

My NA2 NSX also costs no more to maintain than any other Acura, other than that timing belt and clutch cost more than other manual Acuras of the past.

Wowsers.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

I am not saying they are right or wrong, I am just sharing some info another person found and giving them credit

For the oil change if you are getting toward 2 labor hours and x quarts of Mobil 1, plus a filter, some gaskets and blah blah you can pass $500 without blinking

 

[Bricks and Bio]

The F430 rotor prices provide a useful example for us. That car is from 2 generations in the past and parts pricing would have a reference time frame of around 2004.

The manufacturers have gotten better at pricing up parts for the newest cars.

Also, as far as I know in the US you can't get a new Ferrari with a stick or steel rotors. I believe Lambo and McLaren have some steel rotors in their configurator.

 

[chrisn]

I am not saying they are right or wrong, I am just sharing some info another person found and giving them credit

I am saying that they are wrong. ;-)

 

[Bricks and Bio]

This gives me an excuse to call the NSX Specialists this week. I wanted to ask them about the 2 cars seen on the ring recently and to give them a high five for the latest win for the GT3 car.

 

[Tom239]

And $350-500 for an oil change? I can afford, but what justifies that cost?

It can't be the hybrid system. An oil change in my RLX Sport Hybrid (ie same system, minus turbos) cost no more than any other Acura.

The gen2 NSX is dry sump. Changing oil entails removing covers and draining from several points.

It takes 7.9 US quarts at an oil+filter change. Oil and filter change procedures described at:
https://hondakarma.com/guides/2nd-generation-nsx-engine-oil-replacement.1681/
https://hondakarma.com/guides/2nd-generation-nsx-engine-oil-filter-removal-and-installation.1683/

 

[MasterNSXTech]

Those numbers CAN'T be right. I just don't believe it.

And $350-500 for an oil change? I can afford, but what justifies that cost?

It can't be the hybrid system. An oil change in my RLX Sport Hybrid (ie same system, minus turbos) cost no more than any other Acura.

My NA2 NSX also costs no more to maintain than any other Acura, other than that timing belt and clutch cost more than other manual Acuras of the past.

Wowsers.

I don't believe those brake prices either. I'll look them up tomorrow when I'm in front of a catalog.

If you'd like a justification as to the cost of an oil change...it's not just 5 quarts of the house merlot here. It's expensive oil and it takes a lot of it plus a special filter. Then there's the matter of the giant under shield and five separate drain plugs for the oil. Then there's another place you have to get into to change the filter. Then there's running the engine for awhile to get the oil warm enough to check the level. It's a good 2 hours of time to do all that.

And you're kidding yourself if you think the cost of ownership of the NA1/NA2 is just the same as any other Acura except the timing belt and clutch. There are so many things on that car that cost a whole lot more than normal.

 

[neuronbob]

The gen2 NSX is dry sump. Changing oil entails removing covers and draining from several points.

It takes 7.9 US quarts at an oil+filter change. Oil and filter change procedures described at:
https://hondakarma.com/guides/2nd-generation-nsx-engine-oil-replacement.1681/
https://hondakarma.com/guides/2nd-generation-nsx-engine-oil-filter-removal-and-installation.1683/

I don't believe those brake prices either. I'll look them up tomorrow when I'm in front of a catalog.

If you'd like a justification as to the cost of an oil change...it's not just 5 quarts of the house merlot here. It's expensive oil and it takes a lot of it plus a special filter. Then there's the matter of the giant under shield and five separate drain plugs for the oil. Then there's another place you have to get into to change the filter. Then there's running the engine for awhile to get the oil warm enough to check the level. It's a good 2 hours of time to do all that.

And you're kidding yourself if you think the cost of ownership of the NA1/NA2 is just the same as any other Acura except the timing belt and clutch. There are so many things on that car that cost a whole lot more than normal.

Thanks for the info, guys. Just temporarily shocked, particularly at the cost of steel rotors on the new car. I shouldn't be surprised at the cost of an oil change at a dealer for this new car. Still learning. :tongue:

 

[MasterNSXTech]

I don't believe those brake prices either. I'll look them up tomorrow when I'm in front of a catalog.

Just to follow up on this, yes I confirmed it. The price of the steel rotors are seriously just as expensive as the carbons. Seriously. The pad set for the steel brakes is cheaper than the carbons by a few hundred bucks. And really, as long as the rotors pass inspection, they can certainly be reused.

 

[Olyar15]

Just to follow up on this, yes I confirmed it. The price of the steel rotors are seriously just as expensive as the carbons. Seriously. The pad set for the steel brakes is cheaper than the carbons by a few hundred bucks. And really, as long as the rotors pass inspection, they can certainly be reused.

Guess that opens up an opportunity for the aftermarket to release their own iron rotors.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

From an update I provided last week

The crazy prices for the steel rotors may be place holders until details on the volume, stocking levels, etc. get worked out.
Sometimes there are deals out of the gate (red Type R badges for $20) or not deals like this.

 

[QUICKIE]

Those numbers CAN'T be right. I just don't believe it.

And $350-500 for an oil change? I can afford, but what justifies that cost?

It can't be the hybrid system. An oil change in my RLX Sport Hybrid (ie same system, minus turbos) cost no more than any other Acura....

The present Corvette Z06 is dry sump multi-point system ... The GM dealers charge around $70 for oil change service.
Acura is just charging you a "luxury tax" like all high end cars do. McLaren and Lamborghini charge $900+ because they know the suckers will just fork over the money.
The best gimmick was McLaren's directive to change your lug nuts every 2 years ..... Those service people sound like they moonlight as lawyers, lol .

 

[chrisn]

The present Corvette Z06 is dry sump multi-point system ... The GM dealers charge around $70 for oil change service.
Acura is just charging you a "luxury tax" like all high end cars do.

With synthetic oil, C7 Z06 oil charge is about $160. NSX was about $300.

 

[Tom239]

The present Corvette Z06 is dry sump multi-point system ... The GM dealers charge around $70 for oil change service.
Acura is just charging you a "luxury tax" like all high end cars do.

Corvette dry sump oil change procedure:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forum...il-and-replace-oil-filter-dry-sump-specs.html

Compare that to the NSX (see links in post #17 in this thread). Several covers to remove on the NSX, none on the Corvette.