SF relocation

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Hello,

My wife and I are thinking about relocating to SF.

Could you please recommend a good area for a growing family with kids under 5? My office will be in downtown (fin. district), but I do not mind commuting. Having said so, would love to live in the city for a couple of years before moving out to suburbs.

P.s. I was there last week and boy, some of the hills are not very friendly to manual cars! Not sure if I want to drive my NSX there.

Thanks so much.
 
I live in Pacific Heights and love it here. I live across the street from Lafayette park, four blocks from Filmore Street, have a fantastic view of the City, the Bay, etc. Lots of historical homes in my neighborhood. Shopping is convenient. My NSX is parked six floors below street level. You're right about the hills and driving the car. I live at the top of Sacramento Street and I drive blocks out of my way just to get home.:biggrin: Still better than driving in Boston.:biggrin: PM me if you have any questions. Oh, keep in mind that there are lots of micro-climates in San Francisco. Some areas have tons of fog, etc. I think San Francisco is the nicest city in the U.S.

Regards,

Doug
 
I agree that SF is the nicest city in the US. I miss working there. Lots of great places to live within the city limits - as long as your housing budget allows. If you need to venture outside of SF, there is Daly City, South SF and Pacifica.
 
Thanks everyone. Really like the Marina, Presidio areas. Heard Noe Valley was also friendly to young families?

Man, I wished I had known you were around. I wouldn't have minded meeting up with you.

I think that your best bet is to live in the East Bay and take BART into the city.

An area I really liked was Kensington.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...sington,+CA&q=kensington,+ca&btnG=Search+Maps

Otto

Otto, so sorry. Should've let you know. I was there for a business trip and it didn't occur to me that you were in the bay area. Nevertheless, I will definitely see you soon!
 
According to a recent survey. Fremont was listed as one of the best cities in the country to raise a family. I will have to look for where I saw that. Fremont is in the East Bay and they have a BART station.

Just something to consider.
 
I was born and raised in San Francisco... lived there all my life until five years ago when I moved 15 minutes away -- across the Golden Gate bridge. infinitely more NSX (and family) friendly in Southern Marin County.
If you would like to chat, gimme a call.
 
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Here is that article. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33385798/ns/today-parenting_and_family/

Fremont was ranked 5th.

BTW - SF was ranked 14th so thats not bad either

Cool, nice to know. As with everywhere there are good places and so-so places to raise a family so it's really tough to generalize a city. The Mission San Jose area of Fremont is pretty nice, but the flip side is that there is quite a bit of academic pressure put on the kids.

On the plus side there are quite a few NSXers in the town. ;) On the minus side the BART ride from Fremont to SF would take about an hour.

Otto
 
I think a lot of the guys have made excellent points regarding living in San Francisco. I've lived here four times. I was stationed here briefly when I was in the Army before going to Vietnam. (At the Presidio. Isn't that a kick?) Went to undergraduate school here. And, when I moved back to the U.S. after living in Europe, I came to San Francisco. When I was going through my divorce, I was thinking about where I wanted to live. That took about a nanosecond. San Francisco. As you can tell, I always gravitate back here. As I mentioned previously, it's a wonderful city. I love Pacific Heights. It's next to Nob Hill and Cow Hollow which is a cool neighborhood. I shop at the Safeway in the Marina. I live across the street from the park, I can see the Financial District from my window. I am close to great shopping and restaurants, the theatre, museums, etc. I never worry about my NSX because it's parked in a security garage, but that costs me $200 per month. I seldom drive it because I walk or take a taxi. It's city life. It's very close to when I lived in Manhattan and I think it's great because that's the type of lifestyle I enjoy.

There are 100 units in my building. There are three children that live here in my building. It's mostly single people and married couples that live here. I've found the same in the Marina and Cow Hollow. Noe Valley could be a good choice for you if you're really interested in the City. Sometimes I see kids in my neighborhood that are maybe five years or less. Mostly I see infants with a nanny that is pushing a buggy.

Steve lives about 10 minutes from me. He has two NSX's plus a Porsche or two and a Land Rover in his garage plus a tons of motorcycles at his house. He also has two children. Point being, there are lots of conclave's here in the City.

As Roger mentioned, there are some nice places in the East Bay. Personally, I wouldn't live anywhere but in the City. It's a very personal situation.


Good luck in your search.
 
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In SF, parking and traffic can be a real pain if you own more than 1 vehicle for yourself and expensive. If you need SPACE outside your home to call your own, SF would probably be a bad choice unless you have LOTS of income to afford it. And yeah, SF has LOTS of wild little micro climates. Don't like the overcast? Drive a few blocks.

Daly city is better on space but it doesn't have the prestige of "living in the city". You can get quite a bit more space for yourself though for a lower price.

Pacifica is ONLY nice when the weather is nice, which isn't all too often. When the fog comes in and it does constantly, it can get to be wet and miserable. You'll also notice one common thing in Pacifica other than fog....rust....EVERYWHERE. A few miles away, I can see the THICK fog absolutely pound the coast in Pacific and pour up over the mountains, something out of a sci fi movie.

There are really nice places though most anywhere in the peninsula. I would probably avoid Pacifica though. It's beautiful when the weather is beautiful, but that's not too often. As for SF, REALLY have to consider if $3k/month for rent is worth it or not and that's a low number in my opinion, VERY low.

East bay is FULL of nice places to live for a MUCH more affordable price. But if you work in "The City" aka San Francisco, it's not worth it when you consider the HOURS you'll spend waiting in traffic to cross any of the bridges. I think bridge toll goes up from $4 to $6 in July also. The BART is ok, not too bad, not that great but it can work out if you plan it out. San Francisco is small city, so sometimes I'll take the Bart to the Embarcadero, then walk to the wharf, china town and back to the Bart.

There are great places everywhere though. The only way to really know is to spend a few days, just driving around. However, commuting to SF is TERRIBLE, especially if you're trying to get to the financial district by means of the 101. I have a home at the edge of the city and I avoid driving into SF, it is just a pain and you'll get nickel and dimed to death.

BTW, how old is your child? SF has a really goofy way of enrolling children into school. I am told they use a lottery system. Which basically means your child might be going to a school ACROSS town from you instead of the one next door. If you can, I would look at trying to live in the West Portal district. Somehow, the families there are getting to keep their kids in the schools in West Portal. It's a GORGEOUS part of town.
 
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Oh and you really wouldn't want to use the nsx as the car to take to work here. And if you do drive, I would make NOT having to drive across the bay bridge a huge priority. It's absolutely MISERABLE from either end of the bridge. The best highway into SF I think is the 280 because traffic flows very quick on the 280 even during rush hour and it doesn't get packed to the gills like the 101.
 
Thank you very much for excellent advice and insights. I truly appreciate your time and help.

My wife is going to be out there again with her sister next week. I will mention some of these points to her. We've always owned our place. So, we will likely to buy rather than rent.

My oldest one is 3. So, we still have some time to worry about the school system, but I did hear about the SF school system and that many people end up sending their kids to private schools (which have a long waiting list).

It's an exciting time for both of us and I look forward to joining you guys soon, and NSX'ing all seasons.
 
Just stay away from the districts with lots of legends (see map).
http://spotcrime.com/ca/san+francisco

If you will be working in the financial district, you may want to consider living in a neighborhood where you can take public transportation straight into the financial district without having to transfer. When I used to work at 525 Market (corner of First & Market), I would parked my car at my parents' house in the Parkside and take the L Taraval light-rail into the financial district. Public transit is SF is pretty good especially if you are heading into downtown or the financial district. The area just north of Lake Merced is a fairly quiet residential neighborhood (practically no night life unlike the Mariner or Cow Hollow). Good luck on finding a place.

BTW, just don't live next to Doug (Dtrigg), you don't want your kid(s) to see all the women that come in and out of Doug's place. One of Doug's woman friend can't even start her own car.:biggrin::eek:
 
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Very true, budget is huge with so many choices near SF. I would recommend taking BART into the city to save on the commute and it is always nice to be able to get out of the city hustle and bustle to go home at night, that being said I really like Berkley if you want a little bit of a city life, but like doing things outdoors and want something reasonably priced (It is a very diverse town!), I spent four years in the Moraga/Lafayette/Walnut Creek area which was amazing. Pretty pricey but a great place to get outdoors with the family, close to major shopping areas like Concord mall, Walnut creek outdoor shopping and great schools. It is also a very safe area with rolling hills everywhere, bike paths etc. and friendly people all over the place. Hope this helps!:smile:
 
Have you thought of living on the Peninsula and commuting to work in the city?
Half Moon Bay is a pretty nice place to live too.

Half Moon is a VERY nice beautiful and quiet town. I dislike the slow "tourist speed" traffic going up and down the 1. Isn't there a landslide area of the 1 between Half Moon and Pacifica?

How about Palo Alto or the west side of San Mateo nearest to the 280?

If we knew your budget for rent or to purchase, we can definitely help you narrow down the options fast. Maybe some other details too, such as how many cars you own or plan to own (parking is a HUGE issue in SF and the surrounding areas), quiet and safe area preference? Or fast and exciting? How much space OUTSIDE your home would you like for example, a yard. Because $3k in SF can get you a nice little place or it can get you a HUGE home with lots of space someplace east of the bay. No matter what you pick, generally around the bay, the BART can get you to your work quickly and safely (Except for the BART train that broke apart recently in the Transbay tube).

As for schools, private school is a definitely great way to go. Again.... thats if you have the cash. My neighbor pays over $1200/month for their 4 year old son's private catholic preschool. My daughter's preschool was considerably cheaper @ over $8000/year but a wonderful place. I've also seen a montessori nearby list their preschool at over $20,000/year. Just be cautious with the public school option but there are proposals to change this lottery system though. Just hope your child doesn't get sent to a school in the Hunter's Point, if that's even possible.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Parents-back-new-school-lotto-86787602.html

SF living is a totally different culture and living arrangement compared to most any city in california or even america. You're crammed like sardines but like Doug mentioned, he likes it because its like his past favorite home in Manhattan. I dont venture from my home on the fringe into the city very often but I still get goose bumps walking or cruising down Market St. Just be careful of which part of Market you walk down, one of the other nsxprime guys here got mugged and beat up pretty badly during his visit here.
 
Thank you so much for continued ideas.

We will likely to live in the city for a couple of years and move out to suburbs. We also prefer buying to renting. We have looked into real estate /private school and I would say that pricing in SF is very comparable to where we are right now - in fact, certain things are more expensive here (e.g. daycare/pre-school at $2K+ per month). So, we think that we have a good idea of what we can afford.

Our priority would be definitely safety - a place where there are a lot of kids walking / running outside safely.

We currently have 3 cars. So, I guess I will have to get rid of one. :frown:

Thanks again.
 
Half Moon is a VERY nice beautiful and quiet town. I dislike the slow "tourist speed" traffic going up and down the 1. Isn't there a landslide area of the 1 between Half Moon and Pacifica?

There is a wonderfully scenic, and tremendously dangerous, stretch of road called the Devil's Slide, named for the roadway's tendency to "slide" into the Pacific Ocean two hundred feet below. That's why they're building this. :wink:
 
I think there are alots of good places in the east bay to raise kids, I live in fremont and not the nicest part but I personally love the diversity of people my daughter(7) gets to meet that is my favorite thing about the bay area period. I dont think you can go wrong with any of the following cities:

Fremont
Pleasanton
Danville
Walnut creek (alot of people take bart to sf from there)

I chose these cause of the quality of life I see in them. little farther commute than south city and others listed from the penninsula but also more parks and recreational stuff. I personally want to move to pleasanton I lived there for a few years and just is a nice small town in the midst of alot of action.
 
Thank you so much for continued ideas.

We will likely to live in the city for a couple of years and move out to suburbs. We also prefer buying to renting. We have looked into real estate /private school and I would say that pricing in SF is very comparable to where we are right now - in fact, certain things are more expensive here (e.g. daycare/pre-school at $2K+ per month). So, we think that we have a good idea of what we can afford.

Our priority would be definitely safety - a place where there are a lot of kids walking / running outside safely.

We currently have 3 cars. So, I guess I will have to get rid of one. :frown:

Thanks again.

Sounds like you're doing very well financially. In that case you shouldn't have much problems finding a wonderful place. My favorites would be West Portal and Twin peaks. You can actually find a nice home with a garage that will hold 2 cars and a driveway for 2 more around those areas. They're also not the stereotypical home that are connected to your neighbor's home with a common wall. These are actually free standing homes with a front and backyard with spectacular dining options within walking distance away. They are quiet neighborhoods where you can actually walk around at night and feel safe still.

There are a few nice options even on craigslist
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/rea/

There is a wonderfully scenic, and tremendously dangerous, stretch of road called the Devil's Slide, named for the roadway's tendency to "slide" into the Pacific Ocean two hundred feet below. That's why they're building this. :wink:

Wow, that is intense!
http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist4/dslide/
 
We will definitely check out West Portal and Twin peaks! Thanks so much once again for your help!
 
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