Pros and cons of a second home

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Been thinking about buying a second home for some time now.

I live in one end of the town, and thinking about buying another place near the other end of town just for relaxing whenever I feel like. Possibly a lakeside type of property.

I won't be renting the second place out.

Anyone here have a second home that you're not renting out? What are the pros and cons of having the second home?
 
Why have a second home that you wouldn't use as a rental, e.g. beach property, mountain property, etc.? If it just across town, I don't know where you live, why not have your primary residence on the lake?
 
Dtrigg said:
Why have a second home that you wouldn't use as a rental, e.g. beach property, mountain property, etc.? If it just across town, I don't know where you live, why not have your primary residence on the lake?

I couldn't agree more with this statement.
If you sell your current home couple the money together with the money for the second home you could buy a much nicer lake/beach home for your primary residence. Having an empty second home you only visit one and a while leaves you wide open to break-ins. I recently sold my lake home and now just rent a lake house in the summer for a month or so. Less headaches.
 
I love my current home, it is perfect. However, I also love the other side of town, hence I would like to have a place across town as well.

Therefore I'm thinking of a second place across town, about an hour and half away.

A single, bigger place, no matter how much nicer, wouldn't be as useful or fun as a second place.

Both places are/will be gated, with full alarm systems, and friends/family who also live close by to both locations, so I'm not too worried about break-ins.

My social life is such that I have friends/family on both sides of town, so I would go to both places frequently.

Hoping to hear more experiences if anyone's done this.
 
I own several homes, but all rentals except my homestead. Unless you are filthy rich a second home makes no sense. That's two mortgages,elect bills,phone bills,property taxes,cable-internet bills, etc...Also, you can only write off a second home if you lease it out a certain number of days a year.I almost bought a lake home until I added it all up. Also don't forget upkeep. Who is going to mow and rake etc.?... most people I meet bitch about maintaining their property unstead of enjoying it. If you have kids forget it, every weekend is t-ball,soccer,etc...Well thats my 2 or make 30 cents...goodluck Brent :cool:
 
NsXMas... you asked 1), anyone w/experience of 2nd home, and 2), pros and cons...

I have 2, one in So Cal near the beach/harbor and the other in Bullhead City near Laughlin, Colo River and Lake Mohave. Here's the trick... #1 is a duplex, so income from renting out one of the units is offset by deducting on Schedule D one half (or other appropriate allocation) of depreciation as a rental (27.5 year straight line for 1 to 4 family residential property), insurance, real estate taxes, interest (if applicable) and maintenance costs, while at the same time providing a nice home and allowing deduction on Schedule A of the other half of R E taxes and, if applicable, mortgage interest. #2 is a fourplex, with the same relative tax treatment.

A unique and often overlooked federal tax code provision allows the "passive" paper losses produced by depreciation to be fully deductible, up to $25,000 each year, against earned income, as long as AGI is at or under $100,000 (this loophole phases out after $100,000 AGI until $150,000, at which point it disappears, in which case the losses just sit until the depreciable investment is liquidated). The current tax bennies combined with the current income stream has produced a ROI that is hard to beat. Especially when the appreciation in real estate that has occurred is factored in. There are also tax bennies (see later) at sale that can be very advantageous. On the practical side, having the two residences in these units in seperate places, each with their own unique ambiance, for my use at my whim, is really great.

The downside, of course, is realizing that some income stream is foregone, but what the heck $ ain't everything. And if it ever gets to a point where more $ flow is desired, well, renting out one or the other is always an option.

It sounds like maybe you have in mind two single family residences, so you wouldn't have many of the tax/income advantages attributable to rental property, but you can still deduct R E taxes on both places, and if mortgaged the interest on both (as long as the mortgage on the second home isn't more than $1,000,000). So, some tax bennies offsetting cost of ownership, and the opportunity to realize a tax exempt capital profit from appreciation in value at sale are still available. I'm assuming that, since you already own a home, you are aware of maintenance and other costs of ownership, so you can put them on the spreadsheet when you crunch the numbers.

And here's the bonus. If you arrange your cards right so that your primary residence for 2 out of the 5 years preceding sale is the property you've decided to sell (doesn't have to be a continuous 2 years... just a total elapsed time of 2 yrs during the preceding 5), the capital gain will be exempt from taxation, up to $250,000 if single, and up to $500,000 if married filing jointly.

The above is my humble opinion, not intended to be taken or perceived as legal advice, and is with reference to federal tax provisions only... I have no idea what state you're in, so attention should be given to state tax law as well. Remember too, that the tax law can always be amended at the whim of Congress, so keep in mind during your deliberations whether capitalists or socialists are likely to be in power. (Vote wisely).

Hope this gives you some food for thought while deciding to go see your attorney and accountant.
 
I own two homes, neither of which I rent out and would never consider doing. My second home is about 5 hours away and on Lake Michigan, it is far enough away that when I am there I feel much more relaxed but close enough that I use it often.

Obviously it isn't cheap to maintain two homes, but when I see my children playing on the beach it makes it worth it. Lake front property if bought right can be a very solid investment.

Good Luck on whatever you choose!
 
Could not have said it better. We have a condo on the Gulf of Mexico in Florida. It is 45 minutes away from our primary home. We use it on weekends in the spring and summer. We rent it out during the winter to snow birds. Being a Florida weenie, we don't go to the beach in the winter. We purchased a condo so we could rent it out and not be tied down with maintenance issues. Our place is close enough to enjoy for a day or weekend visit. Interest rates are still at historical lows so if you can swing it comfortably without rental income, and you have selected property that will hopefully appreciate over time, go for it. If you are thinking about using it as a rental, it may not be in your best interest to let your bank know it is an investment property. My banker let me know that I would need at least a 30% down payment if used strickly for investment/rental. Second homes usually fall under the first home guidelines with regards to financing. We were a little nervous this year with Charley,Frances, Jeanne and Ivan but we came through with only a little loss of beach. Look before you leap. Make sure it makes sense on all all levels. Good Luck.
 
I also have 2 homes neither of which we rent out. The second home is a lake house around 4 hours away and again, when I am there, even for a weekend, it is much more relaxing than if I am at our primary residence. It is alot of extra work and some weekends, I am up there simply doing chores. My wife keeps telling me that we should simply have someone take care of things but doing chores up there is part of the relaxation. Expecting my first child and like John said, it will all be worth it.

My wife's grandparents had a second home and when her grandfather passed away, a remembrances book was put together by family and friends. Some of these friends were the 40 year history type. Over 90% of all the remembrances that were in the book were from their lake house. This convinced me that when we could afford it, it would be something to buy.

Think about what you want it and ultimately, if it is worth it to you and you can afford it, go ahead and make the purchase. It also helps if the property has great appreciation if you ever want to get out (Ours has appreciated 25% in the past 12 months)
 
jorligan said:
My wife's grandparents had a second home and when her grandfather passed away, a remembrances book was put together by family and friends. Some of these friends were the 40 year history type. Over 90% of all the remembrances that were in the book were from their lake house. This convinced me that when we could afford it, it would be something to buy.

WOW! I was going through pictures tonight to assemble a graduation book for my girlfriends brother. About 90% of the pictures taken over the last 5 years were either at my lake home or my sisters lake home. The other 10% were cars or boats I have owned, of course. Water is where the fun is at.
 
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