Phase 3: Dyno-results with Taitec GTC exhaust + OEM and Dali-chip

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Today, I had my car dynoed with both the OEM-chip and the Dali-chip. Differnce is, I now have the Taitec GTC exhaust mounted on the car instead of the OEM one.
The Taitec exhaust weighs 25.1 lbs versus the OEM 43.4. The weight saving is therefore equal to almost 1.6 HP.

It was a hot day today overhere, temperature at time of dynoing was 90 degrees Fahrenheit (32.2 degrees Celsius). The original Dali-chip was done at 73 Fahrenheit (22.5 Celsius).
Overall, the results were disappointing. I had expected a slight gain in HP with both the OEM and Dali-chip. The results however, were just the opposite. instead, the Taitec-exhaust gave lower readings.
In the end, the corrected results show me this.
First column is always corrected torque, second one is corrected HP.

OEM Chip
Average 236.7 175.5
Maximum 248.7 241.6

Dali-chip
Average 184.9 241.9
Maximum 247.8 256.0

OEM chip with Taitec GTC exhaust
Average 232.5 173.6
Maximum 245.6 234.7

Dali-chip with Taitec GTC exhaust
Average 239.8 184.8
Maximum 254.8 237.3

As can be seen, the Taitec corrected results are consistently lower than the results with the OEM-exhaust. On average, they sum up like this:

Difference in % Taitec GTC versus OEM exhaust
OEM Nm OEM HP Dali Nm Dali HP
Average -1.1% -1.1% -1.0% -1.0%
Maximum 2.2% 2.1% 0.9% 0.9%

If there were any measurable gains, it was only in the 2700-2900 rpm range where the Taitec GTC exhaust measured a very tiny little bit better, like 1 HP and 1 Nm. Above 2900 rpm both torque and HP was consistently lower than with the OEM-exhaust.

I do not know if the Dynojet correct results also correct for temperature differences. So far, the expense of putting in the Dali-chip has been much more worthwhile than the addition of the Taitec GTC exhaust although the latter sounds a bit more impressive.


A graph of the measured results is given below. One thing I noticed is that the lines of the Taitec-exhaust are more 'shaky' than those with the OEM-exhaust. For this, I have no explanation. The Dynojet used is the same, only a different guy doing the runs for me.
 

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Hard to belive the Taitec exhaust will actually lost HP compare to the OEM. I am planning to install the Taitec next week and this would give me a second thought....
 
AC011,
I agree with you. This was certainly not what I expected. But then again, this Taitec exhaust is probably different then the one you will install. Mine is the GT Competition and I don't see that listed on the SOS-site (I still see it on the Taitec site though).
And I am still not sure the Dynojet corrects for higher temperatures. I might well be it only corrects for barometric pressure. For example, the correction factor between measured results and corrected results on the original Dali-run was 2.5% but on today's Dali+Taitec run it was only 0.98%.
 
The loss with the exhuast is very small. The temperature may well have caused this, I don't know for sure but I guess someone with more experience will know.

However I am also not surprised that no gains are made with an exhaust. The OEM airbox is a good example, of OEM better than aftermarket.

The engineers that designed the engine, spent millions on development probably knew what they were doing.
 
However I am also not surprised that no gains are made with an exhaust.

I am. Especially considering the restrictive nature of the OE muffler. You should have at least 2 or 3 extra hp. The temperature difference is he culprit. The exhaust will show significant hp improvements with the addition of headers.

The OEM airbox is a good example, of OEM better than aftermarket.

I'll give you that.

The engineers that designed the engine, spent millions on development probably knew what they were doing.

Indeed. But they also designed it for a mass audience. Surely there are improvements to be made for those who seek more performance.
 
The difference in air density from 72F to 90F is about 3%. That could be the problem.
 
I got the GT Lightweight, so I am hoping for a little better results than you got. I might get the chip as well, though I am still unsure how the ordering process for that works.

Chris's dyno for the JGTC produced nearly 10HP more across the board, so something doesn't sound right here. Of course, there were headers on that car.

The only way to get an accurate result is to have dynoed it the same day with both exhuasts and see what the true results are.

I notice a SIGNIFICANT difference in performance driving in 70 degrees vs 90+. I basically do this every day. Wake up, 72 degrees outside... car feels quick. Mid afternoon, 95 degrees, car feels noticeably slower. With heat index of 114 the other day, car felt like a camaro! :)

Is dali the only one that makes a hot chip for the NSX?
 
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MvM said:
Today, I had my car dynoed with both the OEM-chip and the Dali-chip. Differnce is, I now have the Taitec GTC exhaust mounted on the car instead of the OEM one.
The Taitec exhaust weighs 25.1 lbs versus the OEM 43.4. The weight saving is therefore equal to almost 1.6 HP.

Where did you purchase this exhaust? I never heard of the Taitec GTC exhaust. Did you purchase it from SoS? I don't see an exhaust of that name or that weight on Chris' site.

These are the Taitec exhausts that are available through SoS:
http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exhaust_airflow_products/NSX/TAITEC/GT_Lightweight_Exhaust

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exhaust_airflow_products/NSX/TAITEC/JGTC_Parallel_Exit

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exhaust_airflow_products/NSX/TAITEC/JGTC_Center_Exhaust

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exhaust_airflow_products/NSX/TAITEC/Lightweight_Center-Exit

This is the one I want to get:
http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exhaust_airflow_products/NSX/TAITEC/S-Tai_Exhaust/

Does anyone have a dyno of the S-Tai racing exhaust?
 
Taitec GTC is indeed the Taitec GT Competition exhaust.
I got it from SoS but they don't list it anymore.
This is what it looks like.
 

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If the numbers are SAE corrected, they measure pressure, temp, and humidity, then calculate density to compensate for different atmospheric conditions.

It doesn't sound like temperature is the problem.

Bob
 
Maarten --

The differences between the runs are pretty small, and may be due to day to day variance from the dyno, which inertia dynos seem to be more susceptible to than load dynos. We usually see peak 2-3 hp differences between runs of the same car on Dynojets. I'd be curious what another dyno pull would show.

I also wonder if the used exhaust you bought from us was damaged anyway in transit to the Netherlands?

We're running similar concurrent tests, although, with another exhaust (the JGTC Parallel exit) which I believe is much more free flowing. We can compare tests when we post the results on Monday.

Cheers,
-- Chris
 
Hi Chris,

You might be right about the Dyno-variations between the runs. Also, the guy doing the runs this time was not the guy that did the previous ones. That might account for the shaky lines maybe.
The only other difference, except for the higher temperature, was that the air-filter has been replaced with a new one. The old one was pretty dirty so I exchanged it for a new one. But I think that would have a positive effect rather than a negative one. New filter had been used for about 50 miles only before the dyno-runs.

What surprised me most was that the Taitec seems to give a (very slight) gain at low revs but starts loosing HP in the upper range. Still, with the dali-chip, the car has a few more HP and Nm over the entire range than the car in stock trim.
I will leave the GTC on at least until I have the Taitec headers on. Unfortunately, that will take some time.

The exhaust had no visible damage in any way when I got it and I did not damage it when putting it on the car. Actually, I think the exhaust looks very good and has a very nice deep low sound to it at low revs.
 
Maarten --

Here's some results from our tests. Let's compare once you dyno with the headers:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=170255

-- Chris

MvM said:
Hi Chris,

You might be right about the Dyno-variations between the runs. Also, the guy doing the runs this time was not the guy that did the previous ones. That might account for the shaky lines maybe.
The only other difference, except for the higher temperature, was that the air-filter has been replaced with a new one. The old one was pretty dirty so I exchanged it for a new one. But I think that would have a positive effect rather than a negative one. New filter had been used for about 50 miles only before the dyno-runs.

What surprised me most was that the Taitec seems to give a (very slight) gain at low revs but starts loosing HP in the upper range. Still, with the dali-chip, the car has a few more HP and Nm over the entire range than the car in stock trim.
I will leave the GTC on at least until I have the Taitec headers on. Unfortunately, that will take some time.

The exhaust had no visible damage in any way when I got it and I did not damage it when putting it on the car. Actually, I think the exhaust looks very good and has a very nice deep low sound to it at low revs.
 
Very impressive results. It would be nice to do a few more runs now, swapping the exhaust with a stock one, and perhaps the CT. Although they act together to lower backpressure, at least we would get an idea how badly a quieter exhaust chokes it back down.
 
Sjs,

Although it will take some time before I have the chance to put the headers on, that's exactly what I have planned to do. Put the headers and the OEM exhaust back on and then dyno with both OEM chip and Dali-chip. Then put the GTC exhuast on again and do the runs again. That way I will have tried every combo that I can do with the stuff I have.
But like I said, that will take several months. First I want the open up the engine-lid, then I have to put on the TEIN's and the HID-kit and new pads and new rotors and new brake-fluid and new tires and the Smartshift and the buzzer that goes with it so I won't forget to shift and I have to repaint my brake-calipers and I want to match my cilinderbank-covers to match the engine top-cover and and and and and.

Like I said, I will take some time to (have) the headers put on ;)
 
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