One advantage if Honda keeps 1st gen design

[Jimbo]

It occurred to me that Honda just might keep the current design NSX around for awhile. We've discussed this quite a bit, and most of us view this as bad news, but I had another take on it.

If Honda keeps the 1 gen design around and keeps making evolutionary changes, then that might be pretty neat in some ways. I know many of us wish for a radically new car, but it would be nice having the option of updating our older cars with the new parts as time goes on.

For example, if someone smashes the rear end, they can update their car to the new 2002 rear valence. Likewise for the front. We've seen this happen already.

Let's also say that Honda updates the engine with a new 3.5L i-VTEC V6, or some nice new interior pieces, or whatever.

The longer Honda keeps the basic structure the same, the more options we have for future growth and maintenance.

Just a thought. Although I'd still like to see a all-new NSX.

-Jim

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1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
1976 Honda Accord 5 spd, 3 door Blue/Blue
1977 Honda Accord - Custom - Under Construction
1986 Chevy Suburban
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[nsxxtreme]

If Honda stays consistant with what they do with there other cars, I think swapping parts won't be a possibility. I believe they changed the direction the engine sits in the new Integras. This may have been more of a theft deterrent though. We can only hope.

 

[NeoNSX]

nice thoughts.

some part changes would also effect the balance/handling of the car though.

 

[Soichiro]

>>(Honda) changed the direction the engine sits in the new Integras. This may have been more of a theft deterrent though.

I would really like to know how the orientation of the engine affects ease of theft. The real reason was to shorten the exhaust path between the ports to the catalytic converter to help cold-start emissions.

 

[effer]

Originally posted by Jimbo:
It occurred to me that Honda just might keep the current design NSX around for awhile.

I agree Jim, why change a winning formula?
As I already said, Honda should do the same as Porsche with the 911 line: constant evolutions...

Originally posted by Jimbo:

I know many of us wish for a radically new car,...

I think we are more on the performance enhancement side than the simple release of a radically new car.

How many of us would be totally happy to see our actual first gen NSX make a leap in performance to stay beyond 996TT, GT2, GT3, 420 Modena, Murciélago and of course Vipers and Z06 ?

I love my NSX ( pre '02 ) as it is and the only thing I would like to change is its perf numbers to catch up with today's standards...

I think that Honda can offer us a 1250 kg NSX with more than 420 hp in a 3,5 Liter V6.

Anyway Merry Xmas everybody !!!

Thanks for your opinion Jim, it does make sense and I agree!

effer

 

[nsxxtreme]

Originally posted by Soichiro:
>>(Honda) changed the direction the engine sits in the new Integras. This may have been more of a theft deterrent though.

I would really like to know how the orientation of the engine affects ease of theft. The real reason was to shorten the exhaust path between the ports to the catalytic converter to help cold-start emissions.

This is because the Integra along with other hondas had extremely high theft rates. The motors basically fit in any Honda with very little modification. So the GSR engine along with the Type R engine were popular in import drag racing. Now I believe the transplant of engines is not so easy. Ask some Type-R owners how hard it is to keep their cars. This now longer has anything to do with what the topic is about so I will end it here.




[This message has been edited by nsxxtreme (edited 24 December 2002).]

 

[Jimbo]

The reason Honda changed the orientation/direction of rotation of the new FWD cars was not because of theft, but rather so they could be an OEM supplier of engines to other automotive manufacturers.

Before the new engines, Honda was rotationally "backward" with respect the rest of the world.

-Jim

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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
1976 Honda Accord 5 spd, 3 door Blue/Blue
1977 Honda Accord - Custom - Under Construction
1986 Chevy Suburban
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html

 

[NSXrebel]

That's right Jimbo. now, which way do the old honda engines turn? clockwise or counter?? I forget.

 

[Sketch]

Originally posted by Jimbo:
The reason Honda changed the orientation/direction of rotation of the new FWD cars was not because of theft, but rather so they could be an OEM supplier of engines to other automotive manufacturers.

Any other manufacturers in particular? I heard Honda is one of the possible suppliers (as is Toyota) for the engine for the US-spec Lotus Elise...

Speaking of Lotus, look how long the Esprit has been around. It's gone through several upgrades over the years, and it's still competitive performance-wise. It's biggest failings seem to be build quality and ergonomics. I don't see that being said about the NSX any time soon.

If Honda just keeps supplying us with evolutionary changes, I think we'll be OK for a while.

Going by some of the NSX-R comparisons that have been appearing recently, I'm not sure the NSX needs much improvement at all right now...Honda just needs to sell the NSX-R here.

 

[Jimbo]

I know GM is one customer. They plan to use a Honda engine in an upcoming Saturn auto.

-Jim

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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
1976 Honda Accord 5 spd, 3 door Blue/Blue
1977 Honda Accord - Custom - Under Construction
1986 Chevy Suburban
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html

 

[NeoNSX]

Originally posted by effer:
How many of us would be totally happy to see our actual first gen NSX make a leap in performance to stay beyond 996TT, GT2, GT3, 420 Modena, Murciélago and of course Vipers and Z06 ?

effer

u got my vote! keep the nsx body the same; performance specs to match the above cars.

i also like the copying the idea of porsche's 911... constant evolutions. very cool.

 

[Roadrunner]

My reasons for going with the BBSC are as listed above.
Yes I hope we can use the next gen engines to re-power our cars but till then I wanted to be at the next level. Easiest way was FI.
So many cars are pushing 400 or more HP that our cars are slowly being left behind.
Do you consider a 1991 vette to be competitive with the NSX.
Case closed.