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NSXR vs 997 GT3 vs NISMO 380RS vs Evo RS (BM Video)
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Wow, I had no idea the Evo RS was that fast. How much power does that have? I thought the RS had the same HP as the regular Evo but i slighter and has some aero mods.
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+1 ^^
The japanese cars "always" win. GT3 over any of those cars, any day...
The japanese cars "always" win. GT3 over any of those cars, any day...
Man, do you guys even watch the video carefully? You're actually accusing Best Motoring for doctoring the result? There's no conspiracy. Look at the lap times listed at the end. The GT3 is fastest. It passed all the cars and was on it's way to passing the Evo at the end when it ran out of laps (only 5 laps!). That's all.
The 997 GT3 was the fastest. It could have reach the finish line before the Evo RS if the car wasn't placed last in the starting grid.
i think he (gt3) could have won that race easily if the driver drove the GT3 to it's limits as he was doing towards the end
notice the way he shifts the GT3,
compare the footage on
-3:50 vs -.24
notice how much faster he's changing gears
if that does not convince u then check out -5:20 he's just driving around the park
i thing that race was set up
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i think he (gt3) could have won that race easily if the driver drove the GT3 to it's limits as he was doing towards the end
notice the way he shifts the GT3,
compare the footage on
-3:50 vs -.24
notice how much faster he's changing gears
if that does not convince u then check out -5:20 he's just driving around the park
i thing that race was set up
It's always been my opinion that the german cars get lazier drivers while the NSX-R gets a driver that's been spoon-fed amphetamines for the entire week leading up to the race.
Tsuchiya(driving the GT3) says in the beginning he will purposely drove the GT3 slow until close to the end to monitor the other cars.
Every car was a rolling roadblock for that GT3. The NSX was holding it up everywhere and had the race gone on longer, the EVO would have done the same. The GT3 gave all the other cars a looooonnnnggggg head start and then just took his time for 80% of the race.
To base how fast a car is, I think the best measure is Nordschleife lap times. That takes into account, not only the power to weight, the grip, the braking, but also how easy it is to drive at the limit.
Here's the Porsche 997 GT3 vs the NSX-R:
The NSX-R is fast, in the same league as the brand new Ferrari F430 F1, but the 997 GT3 is up there with the McLaren and Bugatti... Different league IMO.
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR
7:38 Mercedes SLR 722 GT
7:39 Porsche 997 GT3
7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
7:40 Bugatti Veyron (1001 hp)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1
7:56 Honda NSX-R
7:56 Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
7:59 Porsche 997 Carrera S
Here's the Porsche 997 GT3 vs the NSX-R:
The NSX-R is fast, in the same league as the brand new Ferrari F430 F1, but the 997 GT3 is up there with the McLaren and Bugatti... Different league IMO.
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR
7:38 Mercedes SLR 722 GT
7:39 Porsche 997 GT3
7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
7:40 Bugatti Veyron (1001 hp)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1
7:56 Honda NSX-R
7:56 Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
7:59 Porsche 997 Carrera S
If you guys are big fan of Best Motoring, you should know they always put the fastest lap time car at the last position. If they put the GT3 at the pole position when they did this 5 laps race, I bet you anything that the GT3 will take the lead all the way till the end.
BM videos are not like a p!ss contest.... you've got to know how to watch them... and comments like "slow drivers go to non jdm cars" lead me to think there is some guys watching videos with theirs eyes closed... please.. not everything is WWF like 
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N?rburgring Nordschleife Track Times (by ajzahn)
Limited to Production Road Car Records
More information available at the Official Thread
1. 6:55.00: Radical SR8
360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers, sep 28 05
Radical: Nurburgring Nordschleife Lap Record Smashed
2. 7:12.00: Radical SR3
360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers, sep 28 05
Radical: New Radical Smashes N?rburgring Lap Record
3. 7:14.89: 2005 Donkervoort D8 270 RS
350 PS/600 kg, Michael Duchting, nov 06 05
Autoweek: Donkervoort opnieuw recordhouder Nordschleife
4. 7:28.00: 2003 Porsche Carrera GT
612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
5. 7:32.00: 2005 Pagani Zonda C12 F
350 PS/600 kg, Michael Duchting, nov 06 05
AutoCannes: ZONDA F better than the PORSCHE Carrera GT!
6. 7:34.00: 2004 Koenigsegg CCR
806 PS/1180 kg, Horst von Saurma, oct,17-18 05,
Koenigsegg: Koenigsegg sets Supertest Records
7. 7:39.00: 2007 Porsche 911 GT3
415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
8. 7:40.00: 2006 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05
9. 7:40.00: 2006 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
test driver Giorgio Sanna, (AutoBild sportscars 01/07)
10. 7:40.00: 2006 Porsche 911 Turbo
Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
11. 7:40.00: 2004 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/04)
12. 7:42.00: 2005 Ford GT
550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05
13. 7:42.00: 2002 Mosler MT900S Photon
Joao Barbosa, (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
14. 7:42.00: 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
(*mfr.)
15. 7:42.90: 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
16. 7:43.00: 2004 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
17. 7:43.50: 2002 Lamborghini Murcielago
(Autocar magazine 02)
18. 7:44.00: 2002 Pagani Zonda C12-S
555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
19. 7:45.00: 1997 McLaren F1
estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
20. 7:46.00: 1998 Porsche 911 GT2
462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
22. 7:46.00: 1993 Jaguar XJ220
John Walton (EVO magzine 07/00)
23. 7:50.00: 2003 BMW M3 CSL
(sport auto 08/03)
24. 7:52.00: 2001 Westfield Mega Busa
Super 7 with Hayabusa engine,
25. 7:52.00: Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear
493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
26. 7:54.00: 2004 Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM AMG
(sport auto 03/05)
27. 7:55.00: 2004 Caterham Superlight R500
(EVO magazine 07/00)
28. 7:55.00: 2005 Ferrari F430 F1
(sport auto 01/06)
29. 7:56.00: 2003 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
(sport auto 02/04)
30. 7:56.00: 2000 Porsche 911 Turbo
420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
31. 7:56.65 Lamborghini Gallardo SE
520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
32. 7:56.73: 2002 Honda NSX-R
Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", *lap not complete
33. 7:58.00: 2005 Audi RS4
420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05)
Limited to Production Road Car Records
More information available at the Official Thread
1. 6:55.00: Radical SR8
360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers, sep 28 05
Radical: Nurburgring Nordschleife Lap Record Smashed
2. 7:12.00: Radical SR3
360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers, sep 28 05
Radical: New Radical Smashes N?rburgring Lap Record
3. 7:14.89: 2005 Donkervoort D8 270 RS
350 PS/600 kg, Michael Duchting, nov 06 05
Autoweek: Donkervoort opnieuw recordhouder Nordschleife
4. 7:28.00: 2003 Porsche Carrera GT
612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
5. 7:32.00: 2005 Pagani Zonda C12 F
350 PS/600 kg, Michael Duchting, nov 06 05
AutoCannes: ZONDA F better than the PORSCHE Carrera GT!
6. 7:34.00: 2004 Koenigsegg CCR
806 PS/1180 kg, Horst von Saurma, oct,17-18 05,
Koenigsegg: Koenigsegg sets Supertest Records
7. 7:39.00: 2007 Porsche 911 GT3
415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
8. 7:40.00: 2006 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05
9. 7:40.00: 2006 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
test driver Giorgio Sanna, (AutoBild sportscars 01/07)
10. 7:40.00: 2006 Porsche 911 Turbo
Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
11. 7:40.00: 2004 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/04)
12. 7:42.00: 2005 Ford GT
550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05
13. 7:42.00: 2002 Mosler MT900S Photon
Joao Barbosa, (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
14. 7:42.00: 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
(*mfr.)
15. 7:42.90: 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
16. 7:43.00: 2004 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
17. 7:43.50: 2002 Lamborghini Murcielago
(Autocar magazine 02)
18. 7:44.00: 2002 Pagani Zonda C12-S
555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
19. 7:45.00: 1997 McLaren F1
estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
20. 7:46.00: 1998 Porsche 911 GT2
462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
22. 7:46.00: 1993 Jaguar XJ220
John Walton (EVO magzine 07/00)
23. 7:50.00: 2003 BMW M3 CSL
(sport auto 08/03)
24. 7:52.00: 2001 Westfield Mega Busa
Super 7 with Hayabusa engine,
25. 7:52.00: Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear
493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
26. 7:54.00: 2004 Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM AMG
(sport auto 03/05)
27. 7:55.00: 2004 Caterham Superlight R500
(EVO magazine 07/00)
28. 7:55.00: 2005 Ferrari F430 F1
(sport auto 01/06)
29. 7:56.00: 2003 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
(sport auto 02/04)
30. 7:56.00: 2000 Porsche 911 Turbo
420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
31. 7:56.65 Lamborghini Gallardo SE
520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
32. 7:56.73: 2002 Honda NSX-R
Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", *lap not complete
33. 7:58.00: 2005 Audi RS4
420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05)
I love best motoring, the battle is not always the best indication of which car is the fastest but the end they will show the lap time. All of them are professional drivers, but equally skilled.
Its fun to watch, drivers comments are hilarious. Great entertainment value.
Its fun to watch, drivers comments are hilarious. Great entertainment value.
I don't think the Best Motoring battles are staged in any way.
However, I DO think that one should assume that just because one car wins a certain BM race it is automatically the better or best car in that race.
Now, if you would repeat the same race five or six times with switching the drivers every time, then you could make a good assesment which car is better or not.
In a race, every driver has to take into account the situation around him which might make it impossible to use the cars potential to the fullest. A slower car blocking the road, a car next to you forcing you to follow a different line, a driver not used to the car he is driving, all these things matter.
The Porsche GT3 is an awesome car with a lot of potential. As such, it is a much faster car than the NSX-R, mainly (I think) because of its power (and powerband) and its suspension. You would have to put in some major modifications to your NSX (CTSC or 3.6 and a good suspension) to match it.
However, I DO think that one should assume that just because one car wins a certain BM race it is automatically the better or best car in that race.
Now, if you would repeat the same race five or six times with switching the drivers every time, then you could make a good assesment which car is better or not.
In a race, every driver has to take into account the situation around him which might make it impossible to use the cars potential to the fullest. A slower car blocking the road, a car next to you forcing you to follow a different line, a driver not used to the car he is driving, all these things matter.
The Porsche GT3 is an awesome car with a lot of potential. As such, it is a much faster car than the NSX-R, mainly (I think) because of its power (and powerband) and its suspension. You would have to put in some major modifications to your NSX (CTSC or 3.6 and a good suspension) to match it.
LOL You gotta love nsxprime the NSX's own personal diss club! LOL If the NSX does well in any way then something is wrong with either the other cars or their driver bwahahahaha! As for the guys who diss or distrust BMI do you ever look at the lap times posted at the end??? Car first across the finish line is not always the fastest car. They do lap times and then places the cars on pole to make the race competitive which it was.
The 911 GT3 was gonna take this better suspension ,engine and such ,but the NSX-R didn't embarrass itself buy any means. It did beat the EVO and other cars and most people think NSXs can't beat EVO's
I have to say the GT3s pass of the NSX-R in the corners was awesome! Pure driver fight. Last time the NSX-R was up against the GT3 it wasn't even close ,but on the tighter track at least it was a little more competitive.
The 911 GT3 was gonna take this better suspension ,engine and such ,but the NSX-R didn't embarrass itself buy any means. It did beat the EVO and other cars and most people think NSXs can't beat EVO's
I have to say the GT3s pass of the NSX-R in the corners was awesome! Pure driver fight. Last time the NSX-R was up against the GT3 it wasn't even close ,but on the tighter track at least it was a little more competitive.
