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NSXPO COUNT DOWN (2/3) - ScienceofSpeed Cracks 400 wheel hp naturally aspirated

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After two years of development, we're excited to release details about our new 3.5L naturally aspirated powerplant.

Branching off our 3.5L stroker program, the new naturally aspirated power plant uses a 93mm x 86mm stroke by way of a sleeved NSX cylinder block, billet stroked crankshaft, connecting rods, and forged pistons of our design. Despite switching to billet 4340 steel connecting rods, we were able to reduce the rotating assembly's weight by more than 20 grams by designing a lightweight yet strong H beam connecting rod. The engine uses a mildly ported head with Toda camshafts to a custom specifications to work in conjunction with the bottom end. This engine also features our new generation 2 individual throttle body system, which on this engine, produced more than 35 wheel horsepower compared to the factory intake manifold with a big bore throttle body. Fueling the car is E85, a pump fuel becoming more widely available. 85% ethyl alcohol, the fuel has an octane rating of approximately 95 octane (R+M)/2 - giving it a slight advantage to standard 91 octane pump fuel.

Testing has completed, and we've been very happy with the results. Our test car produced 400.2 whp and 307 lb/ft of wheel torque. This power (approximately 460 crankshaft horsepower) is close to the power used in the 3.5/3.4L GT500 NSX in Japan, but on pump fuel instead of race fuel. The throttle bodies, lighter rotating assembly, and light clutch gives the car amazing throttle response. With the development of the generation 2 individual throttle body system, features like the factory idle air control valve are also retained. Despite the very high overlap cams, the engine stably idles and revs. A fully enclosed top feed or side feed air filtration box will be available soon.

If you're in to naturally aspirated NSX, this is the ultimate powerplant for you.

Come check out this newest creation at our booth on Thursday at NSXPO.

Look forward to seeing you there.

regards,
-- Chris

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Chris,

What about the 3.8L powerplant? Still an option? what are the differences between the 3.5L and 3.8L configured similarly? what about a 3.8 with stock manifold?

great stuff all around!

-Anthony
 
Great work! Very cool. Quick question. Is it possible for us Turbo guys to run this motor? Or would it be better to build a motor with compression ratios built specifically for Turbos.
 
Chris,

Your E85 octane figures seem off. Please review the following and see what you think. My understanding is E85 is always rated at a minimum of 105:

129 RON + 116 MON / 2 = 122.5 Pump rating for pure ethanol alcohol

122.5 r+m/2 @ 85% + 87 r+m/2 @ 15% (or 8.5 gallons to 1.5 gallons) would be 117.17 r+m/2 for E85. Now switching this to E70 (or 7g and 3g) would drop this (using the same values) to 111.85 r+m/2.

This assumes that the RON and MON ratings provided by that Wiki are correct.

Thanks,

Todd
 
Congratulations, gentlemen! Great achievement.

Looking forward to some vids!
 
You should marry the SOS Twin Turbo up to the 3.5L and see what those results are.. and then offer a complete package price for both. :biggrin:
 
Chris – 400 rwhp is fantastic for a naturally-aspirated NSX. Could you share a few more details of what you did?
  • Why did you use your 86mm crankshaft in this n/a engine instead of the more usual 88mm?
  • What compression ratio are you using?
  • How are the camshafts you had custom made for this car different to the standard Toda camshafts and different to the NA cams you currently sell at SoS?
  • A 10% increase in peak power with the ITBs is great. Was the baseline a completely stock intake manifold or was the baseline a ported and polished manifold that had the VVIS plate removed?
  • What throttle body diameter does your new generation 2 ITB system have?
  • How much did using E85 allow you to increase power over what would have been possible with premium pump gasoline? 20% like Koenigsegg got when they switched the CXX from gasoline to E85?
  • Could this engine still run on premium pump gasoline as a fallback if you retard ignition timing enough as a kind of limp-home mode or is the compression ratio just too high for that?
  • Which light clutch did you go with in this car?
I would love to hear more about what you have accomplished!
 
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Thank you for your question, I'm sorry I missed it earlier.

Our 3.5L NSX engine package has been in development and testing now for over a year, and we will be soon releasing details about our 3.5L engine packages for both forced induction and naturally aspirated applications. With the forced induction package completed earlier this year, we spent a quite a bit of time and effort to refine the naturally aspirated package. We'll have more details as soon as both the new engine packages and ITB system are released in the next week.

take care,
-- Chris
 
Chris,

What about the 3.8L powerplant? Still an option? what are the differences between the 3.5L and 3.8L configured similarly? what about a 3.8 with stock manifold?

great stuff all around!

-Anthony

The 3.5L engine uses a smaller bore and smaller stroke than the 3.8L engine. The 3.5L engine uses a 4130 custom connecting rod. The 3.5L engine allows us to have complete balance rotating assemblies rather than having to reply on customer provided factory connecting rods. This will allow us to offer 3.5L short blocks, a program we will be introducing in the coming weeks.

Cheers,
-- Chris
 
Is the SOS phone number not working?

Thanks

They seem to be working ok, however, the phones have been very busy today which may be kicking you to voicemail. Please leave a message, drop us an e-mail, or call back in a few minutes and we will be happy to answer your questions.

cheers,
-- Chris
 
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