NSXPO 2009 - Ontario Stunt Driving Law

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For those who are coming up to Toronto, Canada for NSXPO, Ontario passed (somewhat recent) a stunt driving law that allows the police officer to suspend your driver's license and impound your car for 7 days on the spot, and face a fine of $2000 to $10000.

Some of you might know about this as the speeding-more-than-50 kph law. But there is a whole list of other acts that are categorized as "stunt" driving. For our American friends coming up for NSXPO, be aware.

- intentionally causing any tire to lose traction in a turn (eg. skids, drifting)
- intentionally causing a vehicle to spin (eg. donuts)
- driving a vehicle in oncoming lanes next to another vehicle longer than is "resonably" required to pass
- driving with someone in the trunk (not sure what this has to do with racing or stunting)
- driving while not sitting in the driver's seat
- driving more than 50kph (approx. 30mph) over the speed limit
- driving in a way that prevents others from passing
- slowing down with the intention of slowing or interfering with another vehicle
- intentionally driving as close as possible to a vehicle, pedestrian or fixed object (eg. drafting behind a truck)
- jumping a left turn at a green light before allowing straight-through traffic to proceed

More info on this law here: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_070455_e.htm

Drive safe.
 
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For those that do not want to do the conversion (or are too lazy)...here this is:

150 kph = 93.21 mph

130 kph = 80.78 mph

110 kph = 68.35

100 kph = 62.14 mph

When traveling on most major expressways around Toronto (400, 401, etc.) you will typically find the posted limit at 100 kph, with it dipping down to 80 kph in some of the areas where lanes are restricted, and down to 60 kph in others. This is important to know as the flow of traffic in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) does typically move rather briskly, and it is easy to find yourself going 130 kph - 140 kph very easily, which can put you at risk of roadside seizure of your car, on the spot suspension of your drivers license, up to 7 days in jail, and up to $10,000 in fines. Oh, and there is the possibility your car can get crushed if they feel you were doing something really bad. I am serious. Look it up. Do not lose your car that way. Be aware of your speed and driving at all times. The O.P.P. (Ontario Provincial Police) are looking for any reason to bust you for street racing up there (which the officer is free to define as they see fit). I am not trying to scare you, just trying to be real. These new speed laws of the last few years in Ontario are no joke. Do not think that just because you are from the United States that you can skate on these rules, because you will have a very rude awakening. Be safe friends. Everyone come home with your cars.
 
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There is never a need to do any of the things on the list. I really don't have a problem with the law itself, but have never agreed with a police officer being able to seize property and impose extensive fines roadside. Every time this happens it's an automatic court date for sure.

Keep your speed to below 120-130kpm or 80mph on the 400 series hiways and you'll be ok. If I want to drive fast & hard, I go to the track.

Don't be dumb, and you'll be ok. Our club members have never had a problem with the police on our cruises and outings. Often the OPP escorts us!:smile:
 
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There is never a need to do any of the things on the list. I really don't have a problem with the law itself, but have never agreed with a police officer being able to seize property and impose extensive fines roadside. Every time this happens it's an automatic court date for sure.

Keep your speed to below 120-130kpm or 80mph on the 400 series hiways and you'll be ok. If I want to drive fast & hard, I go to the track.

Don't be dumb, and you'll be ok. Our club members have never had a problem with the police on our cruises and outings. Often the OPP escorts us!:smile:
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I agree about the lack of their being a need to do any of those things on the list, but my main beef (which it sounds like you agree with too) is that it is ridiculously harsh to seize property, charge extraordinarily large fines (that would financially cripple most people...$10,000 is not chump change for most), or crush someones vehicle (again, enough to cripple most people with having that size of a financial loss), all in the name of a speeding ticket is just plain overkill.

I am sure you know, just as anyone who drives in Toronto or the GTA does, it is not unusual for the highway traffic to move rather rapidly and get near or above that roadside seizure number.
 
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Absolutely Mitch. We are on the same page. It's particularly maddening when you hear of lesser punishments being awarded in courts for far more serious, and real crimes.
 
I'm sure no one will intentionally commit one of the above offenses. But sometimes accidents happen. You could accidentally screech your tires and the OPP will nail you. Depending on your age/race/loudness of you exhaust, you could get off with a warning, or have your car impounded. Whether it's an accident or not, it's your word versus the officers'. And considering they are the judge and jury, they have the power to screw you over on the spot without any evidence. That is what makes this law dangerous. It's based on the perception of the officer, not necessarily facts.
 
I think often we worry about the "exception". I'm sure NSXPO will be free of any of this. There will be additional information provided in the Registrant's packages you will receive by email shortly.
 
Not so fast:wink:,get it,:redface: anyone who was at the Fl. 06 xpo was treated to some impromtu drifting /tire smoking on a busy 4 lane road right infront of the hotel:eek: The combo of xpo+etoh+testosterone+bragging rights= some crazy driving.......
 
dablackgoku1234 said:
For those who are coming up to Toronto, Canada for NSXPO, Ontario passed (somewhat recent) a stunt driving law that allows the police officer to suspend your driver's license and impound your car for 7 days on the spot, and face a fine of $2000 to $10000.

Some of you might know about this as the speeding-more-than-50 kph law. But there is a whole list of other acts that are categorized as "stunt" driving. For our American friends coming up for NSXPO, be aware.

- intentionally causing any tire to lose traction in a turn (eg. skids, drifting)
- intentionally causing a vehicle to spin (eg. donuts)
- driving a vehicle in oncoming lanes next to another vehicle longer than is "resonably" required to pass
- driving with someone in the trunk (not sure what this has to do with racing or stunting)
- driving while not sitting in the driver's seat
- driving more than 50kph (approx. 30mph) over the speed limit
- driving in a way that prevents others from passing
- slowing down with the intention of slowing or interfering with another vehicle
- intentionally driving as close as possible to a vehicle, pedestrian or fixed object (eg. drafting behind a truck)
- jumping a left turn at a green light before allowing straight-through traffic to proceed

More info on this law here: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_070455_e.htm

Drive safe.
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How sad, I hope this type of stuff never comes to the US.

swbatte said:
.....I really don't have a problem with the law itself.. QUOTE]

Then it appears the problem is not the law, but those that stand by and let it happen.. First they came for...

PS: For those in the US that still desire to not have our Constitutional be trampeled on while on the road, I strongly urge you to join the NMA: http://www.nmpaonline.com/bemember.html ( I'm a member).

Think about the fact that the NRA and ACLU are ~100 million dollar /yr organization and the power they sway (whether you agree with everything they stand for or not). Bottom line is that $$ == inflluence on government and if you object to the way things are, but choose not to provide support how you can, then you/I should not be able to complain.
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docjohn said:
Not so fast:wink:,get it,:redface: anyone who was at the Fl. 06 xpo was treated to some impromtu drifting /tire smoking on a busy 4 lane road right infront of the hotel:eek: The combo of xpo+etoh+testosterone+bragging rights= some crazy driving.......
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Ahh, a stroll down memory lane. I remember that example of proof that life still exists in the brain dead........

Fortunately we all had a good dry run last year at Est Fest and managed to keep everyone under control so hopefully practice makes perfect.
 
nsxotic911 said:
How sad, I hope this type of stuff never comes to the US.

swbatte said:
.....I really don't have a problem with the law itself.. QUOTE]

Then it appears the problem is not the law, but those that stand by and let it happen.. First they came for...
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Oh, don't worry, our politicians know we don't like it. I wrote letters, hundreds of thousands signed a petition. We are waiting for an election. This provincial government is not exactly popular; and most of it's actions have amounted to "hiway safety" laws amounting to money grabs, and new taxes.
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swbatte said:
nsxotic911 said:
How sad, I hope this type of stuff never comes to the US.



Oh, don't worry, our politicians know we don't like it. I wrote letters, hundreds of thousands signed a petition. We are waiting for an election. This provincial government is not exactly popular; and most of it's actions have amounted to "hiway safety" laws amounting to money grabs, and new taxes.
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Oh, ok, thanks for the clarification. Sorry to be so hard on you guys.. I have heard that some positive political movement happening in Canada to which I say good luck! :cool:
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Be wary! Although we do hate all this, I have seen on many occasions and have spoken to a few and it is true (My highway trooper buddy has admitted) that a lot of the stuff they see happening, they will NOT bother people in four door cars and non-flashy colours unless it's extreme.

Although i've seen it countless times, it may differ from everywhere, but brightly coloured two door coupes, and whatnot will be heavily looked at from OPP compared to say someones black/blue/green/silver/white sedan that might even be more powerful.
 
Aside from getting a ticket for no front plate a couple years ago, I have never, ever, had any issue with the police up here.

They're not looking for an excuse to bust people. They've not cared whether Im driving a yellow NSX (with numbers on it often), a Toyota Sienna, or anything else. They're only out to keep the goof balls under control.

If you drive like said-goofball, your experiences may be different than mine. But I have never, nor has any reasonably driver I know, ever had an issue with the police up here.

So come on up and dont worry about that law. But beware that it is there and behave accordingly.
 
BioBanker said:
Aside from getting a ticket for no front plate a couple years ago, I have never, ever, had any issue with the police up here.

They're not looking for an excuse to bust people. They've not cared whether Im driving a yellow NSX (with numbers on it often), a Toyota Sienna, or anything else. They're only out to keep the goof balls under control.

If you drive like said-goofball, your experiences may be different than mine. But I have never, nor has any reasonably driver I know, ever had an issue with the police up here.

So come on up and dont worry about that law. But beware that it is there and behave accordingly.
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I wonder, do rapists and murderes get their crushed (or let's say penis's or hands since that is the "object" they most likely used in committing the 'crime'), and a $2000.00 - $10,000.00 fine? While I do not know Canadian law, I highly doubt it.

I think that responsible citizens SHOULD worry about such laws significantly:frown:. Again,I don't know Canadian law, but this should clearly constitute as a form of "cruel and unusual punishment" and a violation of at least, the US Constitution (obviously that doesn't apply here..)

..My rant is that the criminal justice is completely screwed up, in America, but it appears it's even worse in other social... ergh Western nations. In Canada, you guys have the Ezra Levant case as another example.

In the US, we have rapists and criminals that go to jail, come out emboldened and with likelyhood of reoffending of 50%+. The system fails in "rehabilitating" them and serving society.

OTOH, I can only imagine the emotional and financial pain of those that in Europe, have had their Aston Martin's confiscated because they did a burn out in a parking lot or what some Canadians may have gonethrough. For those in the US, we should be alarmed and take steps early to prevent this.

The "First they came for.." applies here,and as the quote goes, "government should fear people, and not the other way around." I feel that we've lost sight of that.

Of course, on the flipside, many rapists and murderers do not fear the government or society, while motorists do.

Thanks for listening :)
 
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