NSX wantabe for track

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I would like to purchase and NSX for a daily driver and occasionally track it. I have tracked and still track a 1987 911 for nearly ten years. I am interested in:
1) safety mods - roll bars, attachment of harnesses, clearence for helmet, fire extinguisher mounting, racing seats, etc.

2) Neccessary suspension and brake mods

3) wheel and tire combos without need for body work.

4) Advice on best vintage for tracking

Thanks in advance
 
1) safety mods - roll bars, attachment of harnesses, clearence for helmet, fire extinguisher mounting, racing seats, etc.

2) Neccessary suspension and brake mods

3) wheel and tire combos without need for body work.

4) Advice on best vintage for tracking


Just MHO, a few comments to consider:
1) roll bars = ripping your car apart for a fully function cage but a somewhat less extreme example is available from SOS but it just reenforces the B piller and doesn't help the A piller as a cage would. Harness bars are available from Dali. Clearence in two ways, thinner seat cushion; if more is needed you can pound down the seat pan and used a lower mounted racing seat as we did.

2) Several big brake kits are available and probably useful if you do more than 20 minute sessions (depending on the track). Make sure to duct them, this is a huge help.

3) Several people have thought about this a lot, do a PRIME search; visit the Dali ans SOS sites.

4) Coupe

JMHO :-)

Some of our efforts can be found here: http://www.daliracing.com/v666-5/info/OTC/2003/home.cfm
 

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There are a lot of things you can do... but it depends on how serious you are, how much money you want to spend, etc.

As a general rule, I would suggest you get the car first, and see how you like it. There's very little that you must do to change it before taking it onto the track. You should try it out stock, and then decide, item by item, where you want to consider changing anything. There's no need to spend beaucoup bucks right from the start; an incremental approach will minimize any expenditures that may very well be unnecessary for your needs.

For example:

atspeed said:
1) safety mods - roll bars, attachment of harnesses, clearence for helmet, fire extinguisher mounting, racing seats, etc.

You can do all of that if you want - or, none of it. There are roll bars and harness brackets and racing seats available. Or, if you are only contemplating a few HPDE events, this may be overkill. Full roll cage and racing seats makes a great track car but also makes the car very impractical as a daily driver.

Clearance for a helmet is greater in the coupes. If you're average height, clearance is not a problem. If you're too tall, you might want to consider a seating mod that removes the bottom seat cushion.

atspeed said:
2) Neccessary suspension and brake mods

On suspension, nothing is a "must have". I suggest you try the car out with the stock suspension first, and see how you like it. You may like it fine; the stock suspension is a nice compromise between road-holding on the track, and comfort on the street. On older cars, the shocks may need replacement. If you are willing to live with a firmer ride, there are the usual shocks, anti-sway bars, and such available.

On brakes, too, the stock setup is a lot better than some people give it credit for. You may find that the stock setup is just fine. As a first step, you might try aftermarket pads and/or rotors (although the stock ones are actually quite good too). Most major brands of pads are available for the NSX, so if you are willing to swap pads for each track event, you can get track-specific compounds.

Yes, there are big brake kits available, but there are also several advantages to using the stock calipers and I would suggest using them first, because you might not need to spend the $$$$$$$$$$ for a big brake kit. In addition to generally excellent performance, the stock calipers also let you use the 15" and 16" OEM wheels (as well as your spare tire), at least for track use. The smaller wheels have some distinct advantages: they are light; there are lots of R compound tires available in the OEM sizes; the tires are cheap; extra sets of wheels are cheap (typically changing hands for $100-200); and you can fit a set of four wheels and tires inside the car to take them to the track with you.

atspeed said:
3) wheel and tire combos without need for body work.

Stock wheels are great. You can get the sticky OEM tires for the street, and for the track you can use those, or get R compound tires in the '91-93 OEM sizes, and fit them in the car.

atspeed said:
4) Advice on best vintage for tracking

As supercharged mentioned, the coupes are better for tracking, due to their lighter weight and greater rigidity. '91-94 NSX are all coupes and relatively inexpensive. The '99 Zanardi NSX is more expensive but excellent. Other '96-01 coupes are extremely rare and hard to find.
 
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nsxtasy said:
'91-94 NSX are all coupes and relatively inexpensive.
94 and earlier coupes are also OBD-I; this allows a simpler/more straightforward path with engine related mods (headers, etc) -- SHOULD you want to go that route. Parts/mods for the 3.0L motor are more generally available as well.

Note that some track clubs limit what "allowable mods" are for novice/less experienced drivers. For example, R-compound tires are often not allowed with novice classes. Others require some equipment with the more advanced classes (ex. some PCA chapters require 5/6 point harnesses and fire extinguishers with the advanced run groups).

The above advice is definitely good -- work on skills, and look at incremental equipment changes as best suits your skills, style, budget (including maintenance/fixit) and other preferences.
 
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nsx1164 said:
Note that some track clubs limit what "allowable mods" are for novice/less experienced drivers.

It's also worth noting that some track clubs do not permit removable-roof cars (e.g. NSX-T) to participate in their events.
 
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Thanks for all the great start up comments. I am big on safety and already have a hans device, harnesses but will need to comprimise on a cage and full race bucket as I plan on using it a driver. I am sure I will try it out stock before modifying with big $$$$. Probable ducting, slotted rotors and Hawk pads. I will need to see how the stock suspension is and really have no plans for the motor. Anyone have good initial alignment specs for the purposes I plan on using the car? And where to get parts a good prices?

Thanks again. Dave
 
There is also a bolt-in cage available from Japan. I believe I'm the only person outside of Japan to have this cage :D

Anyway, I'm just over 6 and my helmet barely clears the cage. I do not feel too comfortable with it because it is so close, my helmet would touch the cage on hard right turns on the track, thus it is for sale. Let me know if you are interested.

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got these pics from Advance's website, mine is exactly the same with black powdercoated finish.
 
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As you can see for the pic I posted earlier, great care was taken to move the front and top side bars close to the headliner, I street my car but this is not advised by the maker as they don't want to be responsible for me banging my head from a side impact.
With the lowered seat my head clears sans helmet and I am 6'3".
 
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atspeed said:
Anyone have good initial alignment specs for the purposes I plan on using the car?

Since you plan on tracking the car, I recommend the original '91 alignment specs. They were developed to maximize handling and cornering feel, without worrying too much about tire treadlife. They changed the recommendation in '93 (retroactively for all years) for reduced toe, for greater treadlife with a slight degradation in handling. But since you're tracking the car, I would suggest trying the original alignment specs. That's what I use, for the same reason.

atspeed said:
And where to get parts a good prices?

For discounts on OEM parts, join the NSX Club of America, and you can use your member discount at great parts dealers like Niello Acura in Sacramento and Goodson Acura in Dallas. And as a club member you can attend NSXPO each year, which always includes a drivers school at one of the top tracks in the country, such as Infineon Raceway (Sears Point) for NSXPO 2003 this October, and Watkins Glen next year. (Past NSXPOs have included track events at such tracks as Mid-Ohio, Laguna Seca, Road Atlanta, and Road America.)
 
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