NSX VS. Porsche 911TT

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I have been debating trading/selling my 92' NSX for a Porsche 911 Twin Turbo (996) recently.

I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts on this are?
Which would you go with?

thanks.
 
I don't think the two cars are really comparable. The 911TT will wipe out a 92 NSX with ease. It is also like 3-4 times as expensive. You could do 15K worth of mods on your car and make it peform like a 911TT. (i/e/h/SC/short gears/4.23 R&P/Brembos/etc.)

The only problem I have the P-cars is that they are EVERYWHERE.. they are just sooooo common. I have also heard the 911TT is not that fun to drive...

I am sure topdaytrader will tell you how much better the 911TT is than any car on the planet shortly....
 
NetViper hit the nail on the head.
My sentiments exactly.

A friend of mine has a 996TT and an NSX and takes both to the track and runs one each day of the event. Now THAT, I wouldn't mind doing!!!
 
Get the 996TT if you want to, we are not going to stop you. The 996TT is not a bad car to have at all.
 
cmb said:
I have been debating trading/selling my 92' NSX for a Porsche 911 Twin Turbo (996) recently.

I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts on this are?
Which would you go with?
The 996TT is a much newer design and in many respects is more NSX like (in the context of when the latter was first introduced) than the current NSX in that it combines state-of-the-art performance with state-of-the-art luxury. I am not overwhelmed by the looks or the heft of the 996TT but that's purely subjective. The 996TT doesn't have to make any apologies for interior ergo, build quality, luxury, or vehicle dynamics.
 
the turbo has a lot more power (obviously) 420hp and can be ordered with the engine option giving it 450hp from the factory. So if you're looking for power the tt will be like you going from a MR-2 to a NSX.

If you want one of the fastest cars on the street the turbo is that and also a very civilized daily driver with a dash of luxury for good measure.

If you have the money the turbo is a really really nice car.
 
cmb,

This is a very tough question to be sure. The 996TT is one of the greatest sports cars on the road. As another poster mentioned, the 911 and NSX share a great deal of similarities such as performance, luxory, and reliability. However, there are many differences.

I think you need to be a bit more specific with us(and the Porsche forum) with what you think you like more about the TT that would justify you spending a hefty amount of cash.

For example, lets just say you really love the NSX's looks and driving feedback but you want some wheel smoking power. In that scenario, I would recommend that you purchase a Boostzilla or Comptech SC. After the installation I believe the NSX will be every bit as reliable as a TT. These new kits coming out will have 400RWHP. That will smoke the tires :D.

On the other hand, lets say you like the fact you want 600HP, and a state of the art driver aids. In this scenario I think you will have to go with the TT.

Let us know what you want out of a sports car. What do you love about the TT.
 
I would suggest you see if you can arrange to drive the 996TT - not just for a spin around the block, but borrow it for a day or two. Try it out, see how you like it, and then decide.
 
The 996TT is an amazing car. Ofcourse, it's your decision but I would trade a 92 NSX for a new 996 TT. :)
 
O-Ace said:
I would trade a 92 NSX for a new 996 TT. :)

So would I! Then I would sell the 996 TT, buy my '92 NSX back, and put the leftover $90K in the bank. That's an easy way to make $90K! :D
 
I am forturnate enough to own both an NSX (97 Comptech supercharged) and a 2002 996 TT. Most people are correct, they are very different cars. Overall the NSX is a nicer car to drive. The driving position feels better to me, the shifter is light years better in the NSX but the TT is much, much faster. 413 lb/ft of torque at 2700 rpm with all wheel drive. If I could only have one, I'd probably stay with the NSX but nothing pins you to your seat like the TT. The hardest thing to get used to is the 6500 rpm redline. I sold an S2000 to get the Porsche. The Porsche hits its rev limiter just where the S2000 (and pretty much the NSX) would hit its powerband. Gas mileage is about the same with the two (NSX and Porsche) and tire wear is better on the Porsche. I've got 15k on the Pirelli's so far and there's still pretty good tread left.

Feel free to email if you'd like any more specifics.
 
thanks for the replies so far! i appreciate all the input!

Well, I went out for a 20+ minute test drive of a used 2001 911T today.

For extra measure, i also checked out a used 2000 360 Modena, but honestly, it is more than i care to spend right now! (maybe sometime in the future, hopefully sooner rather than later :D ...)

So, I was just testing the waters of the 2 exotics above in comparo to the NSX.

Ferrari 360 Modena:

looks: The car looks outstanding. sexual. stunning. Just being near it raises your heartbeat! the lines are perfect. The glass cover of the engine looks like a picture framed artwork. definitely the most expensive and exotic looking of the bunch. headlights are futuristic looking, cool under body air tunneling. nice integrated quad exhausts in the rear bumper.

10 out of 10

interior: tan leather. very luxurious. beuatifully leather wrapped everything, and what was not leather was aluminum. the seats had excellent side bolstering for the hips and legs and especially the back. the smells are even better. the leather smell was very different from any other leather interior car i have sat in (which is plenty). seating position is very low, yet outward view is good. More space behind the seats than in the NSX. but least overall storage space.

9 out of 10

engine: start up, is a killer. the blip/rev up on starting is incredible. on a stock exhaust too..!! a tight, solid roar. definitely ferrari. throttle is solid and tight.
the F1 paddle shifters are amazing! very precise shifting.

10 out of 10

performance: not known yet. I got to fiddle with the car on/in the Ferrari lot, but not take it out of the lot. on-road test drive is reserved for a second appointment if i am more serious. ;)

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Porsche 996 911 Twin Turbo:

looks: mighty, strong, smooth, flowing body. definite prescence in size and shape.
best feature is the front end...definite power in the looks alone. looks the mightiest of the bunch.

8 out of 10

interior: black leather. too much plastic. some leather. the least luxurious finishing/feel of the group. only one with back seats. 2+2. can fit sub 6' adult back there tightly and uncomfortably, but it can be done. fair storage space.
nice dash. i liked it the best. well laid out. seating position is the most high and upright of the bunch. felt most like a 'normal' car. seats were the least bolstered too...steering wheel is the biggest of the bunch too...

7 out of 10

engine: sweet. very different. not as showy or beautiful as the Ferraris, but still worth looking at! start up, surprisingly quiet, but still louder and more burbly than the NSX. deep tones, unlike the more mid-pitch of the Modena.
revv is nice, loud, deeper. shift throws are long! smooth and true, but long!

10 out of 10

performance: unlike any other! I drove it hard and soft for at least 20 mins over many, many km. i didn't b*Tch launch it, but it bogs if the revs aren't kept up, just like my WRX. of my dozens of launches, the hardest was at just over 4000 rpm, and i didn't floor it right away, but slipped out and gently gassed after. it went pretty well like this. i pumped that sucker after the avg. launch all the way to 4th gear redlining each gear!! i ran full out in the gears probably only around 10 times, but they were full runs. it was getting very fast and slightly scary! :)
that thing pushes you back into your seat the most of any car i have driven!! actually it doesn't push you it PUNCHES YOU into the seat!!!
worlds faster than my NSX. slightly faster than my WRX. (but maybe not now with the WRXs new VF34 turbo.)
there is turbo lag. until about 2500-3000, the car then explodes to redline!!
excellent traction.
corners like on rails...very solid, very strong, most confidence inspriring. very planted, but also could feel the weight being moved around. but feels heavy though planted. not as deft or nimble as my NSX.
solid car and chassis.
the best performance of the 3. (i am told it is faster than the Modena.)
brakes are outstanding, feel like you were magnetized to the spot you first touched the brakes on. it just stops there. top notch! i found the brakes as good as the power.

*NOTE: after having put the 911T through it's paces to some degree (no i didn't have it in a 4 wheel peel out or drift, but i did push it hard!)
the 911T in my opinion is like a super steroided, super refined WRX!!!
it launches similar, it lags and spools simiarly, it pulls similar fashion, just harder. it shifts similar, it feels the same during upshifts. it is also big and heavy but solid on it's feet. however in cornering and braking, the WRX is worlds behind. however, the STi's braking is right on par with the 911Ts.
i tell you, it feels like i'm driving the WRX, only it looks better, goes faster, is better overall...but it still feels like it.
If anyone ever wanted a Porsche 911T but can't afford it, i am serious, that a WRX (sig. mod'd) will give you 7 or 8 tenths of the feel. if you seriously mod the WRX, you can pretty much attain the 911T's feel and performance. i know some will blast me for this, but i am telling you, drive both hard (the WRX needs to be mod'd up) and they will have far more similarities than differences, just that the porsche has more of everything.

10 out of 10

Acura NSX:

looks: classic exotic car looks. very Ferrari like. low slung, wedge, angular. actually stands out more than the Porsche but of course, not as much as the Ferrari, but in terms of shape and such, close. clean, refined.

9 out of 10

interior: black leather. leather treatments throughout. clean, simple and refined again. more luxurious than the Porsche, but not very close in luxury to the Ferrari, which is just pure luxury. seats have good hip and side bolstering, better than the porsches, but not as good as the Ferrari's. feels and looks dated though

8 out of 10

engine: imitation ferrari, can't beat the mid ship placement factor! also glass cover, but nowhere as picturesque as the Ferrari's. quietest of the bunch both on start up and revving and throttling on the go. shifter is smooth, short, tight and precise. best conventional shifter, but not as good as S2k, miata, etc. seating position is very agressive and very ferrari-like and oh so low to the ground.

9 out of 10

performance: behind the Porsche, but no dog either. I actually find the NSX has the some speed to go with the Porsche, but not the low/mid mad torque rush. the NSX is extremely smooth. pulls hard but not mad. pull increases and builds strongly to the 8000 rpm redline. i estimate my car runs high 13's so it's a good 1 sec. off the pace of the other 2. :( the NSX handles awesome though, with the stiffest chassis (feels stiffer than the 911Ts)

8 out of 10

VERDICT:

the FERRARI 360 Modena is the most mysterious and alluring car. the ultimate dersire. the sexiest. with the modena it is about the senses...sight, smell, sound...etc.. a feeling of being so alive if you will. But priced out the wahoo, and with questionable reliability and wahoo maintenance costs, you pay for this level of excitement and heritage, she's the high maintenance supermodel girl.

The Porsche 911 Turbo is the highest performing car, acceleration (0-60, 1/4 mile, whatever), raw cornering, braking, etc.) the fastest outright. but you trade away some elegance and deftness, as well as a certain balance and feel for outright monstrosity. She is the perfect bodied olympic athlete mixed with a high class escort of the bunch.

NSX is a perfectly balanced car. Chassis is the best, handling so smooth.
I personally would not pay the difference for the Porsche from my NSX now. for a tiny fraction of the cost difference, i can make my NSX bling and a monster (like some here have suggested). She is the hot girl you meet in a club or party. not quite as ravashing as the other two, but beatiful in her own way and in the end, can bring out almost as much passion and you want to marry her and stick with her.

However, a NEW NSX is much more expensive, and in that case, I think the 911T is much more tempting for the superior performance.

i think my automotive madness and addiction had my eyes wandering and wanting to try something else, something better...however, after having tried the alternative, in the end, it was partly a case of 'the grass is always greener on the other side' syndrome and i think my preferences and driving style more suit the NSX as it is the perfect balance I thought it was, i just needed to be reminded of that. :)

i think i will take some ppl's advice here and start modifying my NSX for performance (mine's relatively stock now just intake and chip).

do you guys think i am making the right decision?
 
Edwardo / SCS2K:

thank you for this. it is very helpful!
so basically, to satisfy my wanderlust, i've got to start considering a Comptech Supercharger or other FI...i am getting tired of getting beat by E46 M3s!! ;)
 
cmb said:
do you guys think i am making the right decision?
Only you can answer that. I have a short attention span, so I only deal in executive summaries. ;)

996 is a brutally fast luxury car.
360 doesn't have any visceral appeal to me as its lines were drawn from wind tunnel testing (function over form to be sure) but I actually prefer the 355 (subjective alert!).
SC Z-NSX is still the most fun with slightly better power/weight ratio, but you can mod the others well past it.

Now that the stock market is headed in the right direction, I think the most interesting cars are:

Ford GT
Porsche GT3
Lotus Elise
Saleen S7

The local Lotus dealer is offering test drives and that thing is a hoot. It does feel like a formula ford/dodge, so even though it doesn't have insane power/weight, it's more fun to drive than most street cars. Decisions, decisions...
 
cmb, having driven all three as well, I would have to say your summary of them is pretty good.

Modena prices continue to stay high -- the asking price for '99 Coupes, which is the cheapest 360 you will find today, are around $135K -- and besides a high purchase price you will be paying through the nose for scheduled and (lots of) unscheduled maintenance. I have also seriously considered an F-Car (vascillated between the 355 and the 360 at different points), but have held off until I feel more comfortable I can handle the ongoing maintenance costs.

The Porsche Turbo is a nice car in terms of raw power but I can't get used to it's low rev limiter. I think SCS2K puts it best when he writes:

Originally posted by SCS2K
...The hardest thing to get used to is the 6500 rpm redline. I sold an S2000 to get the Porsche. The Porsche hits its rev limiter just where the S2000 (and pretty much the NSX) would hit its powerband...

On the other hand, there are tons of 01-02 996TT's around, and I'm sure you would get a sweet deal if you looked seriously. Expect to pay around $88-$90 for a good condition '01 with 5K miles if you buy privately (this is not based on published data, but rather my review of the deals that have gone down recently).

Obviously, with a '92 NSX, you will expect to pay a hefty difference, even with a trade-in, for either of these cars. Have you checked out the Porsche C4S (picture attached)? I like it a lot, and find it to be a wonderful comprimise between the C2 and the TT. You can get a fully equipped, slightly-used '02 C4S for about $74 - $76K today.

Regards.

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Get the 996 turbo. They are dirt cheap right now (relative to what they were selling for 18 months ago). As stated in the above post, I have seen 01s in the low 90s, 02s in the mid 90s.

I had an 02 996 coupe and an 01 NSX. I sold the NSX, then got a 996 cab. Not needing 2 996's, I just sold the coupe. I had driven the 996 turbos a year ago but didn't want to spend $120k. A few weeks ago, the dealership gave me a pretty decent offer to trade in my cab for a Turbo. I almost bit but decided to think about it for a day. Got busy and never went back. I'm still thinking about it though.

I agree that 996's are everywhere and the NSX is more "exotic". But the 996 is lightning fast, practical (2 full seats plus 2 half seats), AWD, and is a handles like it's on rails. And Turbos don't depreciate that much. (I think 97s are still in the 70s)

Maybe I'm just trying to convince myself here. :D
 
There is another possible option.

How about getting a 97 NSX. They are not too expensive anymore. You get 20 more HP, the 6 speed, Targa, larger brakes.

I think the 6-speed is a lot more fun to drive and there is a little more TQ for low end enjoyment.

If it is still too slow, add the comptech SC and you will smoke all P-cars except the TT.
 
WeakestLink said:
...I had an 02 996 coupe and an 01 NSX. I sold the NSX, then got a 996 cab. Not needing 2 996's, I just sold the coupe...

Interesting flow of transactions. :D

WeakestLink said:
...They are dirt cheap right now (relative to what they were selling for 18 months ago)...

...And Turbos don't depreciate that much...

They may not depreciate that much if you buy a pre-owned TT that is two years old, but newer Turbos have seen a steep fall in price (as you yourself note). Fully loaded one-year old TT's that were MSRP'd at $125 - $130K (which means they were also sold around there, since there is rarely a significant discount from MSRP on a TT) are now selling for close to a $100K.

WeakestLink said:
...the 996 is...practical (2 full seats plus 2 half seats)...

Who buys an exotic for practicality?? :D

(I'm just kidding. Many of us -- including me -- use our X's as daily drivers, where some degree of practicality is required).

Regards.
 
nsxtasy said:
So would I! Then I would sell the 996 TT, buy my '92 NSX back, and put the leftover $90K in the bank. That's an easy way to make $90K! :D
You forgot the $15K it would have depreciated while you drove it home :D
 
nice analysis cmb. u came to the right decision. Like netviper said, $15k in investment will give near TT performance without AWD, the weight, and the bad shifter.

SOAPBOX WARNING: I can't stand the 911 manuals- they have a heavy clutch, long throws, and somewhat vague shifter. I just don't see how porsche gets away with that manual in a $120k car. its not like it would cost more to make the shifts crisper. Heck a miata or a s2k have better shift action. Oh, the other thing that drives me crazy about porsche is their options lists. Luckily, if you buy it slightly used, then somebody else takes the hit.

personally, i would say keep the NSX and add a lotus elise to your list. It would offer way different feel(compared to the nsx, and wrx) and would be a fun track car.
 
NSXLuvr, the 996 TT actually has a very smooth and light clutch. The throws on the shifter are a bit long, but smooth nonetheless. A short-shift kit would cost less than $100 so no problem there either. :confused:
 
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