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I'm trying to find that video on youtube where this NSX-R is racing against a BMW, Corvette, Porsche 911 Turbo, and I believe a Lambo in Japan. The NSX-R ends up over heating but if it didn't, it would have stayed in 1st place the entire time.... Can't remember the name of the track but its a well known course and drivers. All the drivers are Japanese if that helps.

Also if you guys have any other NSX-R videos pls post them here :) Thx
 
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I really want to know how he can shift that quickly! My tranny wont let me switch gears that fast! :(
 
I'm trying to find that video on youtube where this NSX-R is racing against a BMW, Corvette, Porsche 911 Turbo, and I believe a Lambo in Japan. The NSX-R ends up over heating but if it didn't, it would have stayed in 1st place the entire time.... Can't remember the name of the track but its a well known course and drivers. All the drivers are Japanese if that helps.

Also if you guys have any other NSX-R videos pls post them here :) Thx

Here ya go " Motegi battle"

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There it is! thanks!! :eek:

I usually use this video to prove to people how fast the NSX is on the track... it shuts them up pretty quickly! lol
 
watched 2nd part of the tsuchiya's nsx r vs stock nsx r
pretty close. anyone thinks his white top looks better than the black top>??
 
"There it is! thanks!!

I usually use this video to prove to people how fast the NSX is on the track... it shuts them up pretty quickly! lol"

but those lambo are street version. the track version gallardo is kinda insane.
 
There it is! thanks!! :eek:

I usually use this video to prove to people how fast the NSX is on the track... it shuts them up pretty quickly! lol

No prob here's a shorty but it's my favorite. I love the part where it gets airborne:biggrin:

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nsx-r, f50, lamborghini, 996 gt2 turbo, 996 gembella twin turbo, 996 carrera 4wheel drive



nsx-r hands the lamborghini its ass around every corner

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wow! never seen an F50 race before... I'm amazed at how well it did...

The driver of the NSX-R had some mad skills! amazing! I loved the part where the Lambo was drifting around that corner and the NSX-R took the lead from his mistake lol :eek:
 
I hope you guys know that Best Motoring videos are incredibly biased towards Japanese cars.

The other exotics like the Ferrari's are always "a friend's Ferrari" or something like that, and they don't push the exotics to the limit.
If you look at the RPM on the Gallardo, you can see that it's quite low, compared to on the NSX-R, when they are completely redlining it.
 
I hope you guys know that Best Motoring videos are incredibly biased towards Japanese cars.

The other exotics like the Ferrari's are always "a friend's Ferrari" or something like that, and they don't push the exotics to the limit.
If you look at the RPM on the Gallardo, you can see that it's quite low, compared to on the NSX-R, when they are completely redlining it.

Thats not the tachometer thats the speedometer man.

Also, is that why that ~$950K Ferrari F50 placed first among all those other very capable cars? :rolleyes:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferr...temZ200207453643QQcategoryZ6212QQcmdZViewItem

Dont believe that the F50 is worth almost $1M? A few years ago I saw one for sale for $750K..... I was amazed at how the price had gone up! :eek:
 
your suprised at how well a ferrari f50 did? i would have thought it would have had more of a lead at the end, i mean thats not a 355 or 360 or 430 its a f50! but then again if your already ahead of the pack and its not your car i dont think you would want to push it to the very limit becaus thats going to look bad on your racing resume if you wreck a million dollar car:eek:


now i will agree that the nsx-r was using the "drive it like you stole it" technique more than anybody else it looked like, but he also has the narrowest front and rear tires out of everybody which would partialy explain his fishtailing everywhere.

if those videos where that bias the lamborghini wouldnt have just used sheer speed at the very vey end of the course to pass the nsx-r
 
your suprised at how well a ferrari f50 did? i would have thought it would have had more of a lead at the end, i mean thats not a 355 or 360 or 430 its a f50! but then again if your already ahead of the pack and its not your car i dont think you would want to push it to the very limit becaus thats going to look bad on your racing resume if you wreck a million dollar car:eek:


now i will agree that the nsx-r was using the "drive it like you stole it" technique more than anybody else it looked like, but he also has the narrowest front and rear tires out of everybody which would partialy explain his fishtailing everywhere.

if those videos where that bias the lamborghini wouldnt have just used sheer speed at the very vey end of the course to pass the nsx-r

haha no im not surprised ive just never seen an F50 in a race before. Ever!

Nor have I seen any other million dollar car in a full on race like that .. I'd love to see an F50 and a McLaren go at it! mmmmmm :tongue:
 
Here ya go " Motegi battle"

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btw anyone got pics of that pace car NSX with the lights on the roof? haha
 
I hope you guys know that Best Motoring videos are incredibly biased towards Japanese cars.

The other exotics like the Ferrari's are always "a friend's Ferrari" or something like that, and they don't push the exotics to the limit.
If you look at the RPM on the Gallardo, you can see that it's quite low, compared to on the NSX-R, when they are completely redlining it.

Eh I used to think that to but as you watch more and more of their videos you see Japanese stuff losing quite a bit to European cars. I think people are actually biased towards Japanese cars and don't believe they can do as well as high priced cars. Of course it was the Japanese super cars of the 90's that showed that the Europeans cars were really charging you for brand recognition.
 
I knew I would get this type of response.

BTW, I know that is the speedometer. The exotics are still running slow.

I was talking about the other video on this thread, which shows the RPM of the cars. You can see that the NSX's RPMS are wayyy into 8000rpm+ bouncing off the rev limiter, while the Murcielago is shifting at about ~4800rpm. Why do you think the NSX-R overheated?

One of the japanese speakers on my other car forum even stated that Best Motoring videos are intentionally biased.
In the NSX vs F50 race and the comments by the driver that he had to "take it easy" to provide better entertainment by making it a close race.

In these videos (GTR vs new 911 Turbo), they're using the new GTR to race against an automatic 911 Turbo, and they state that the 911 has old tires :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6CFVpqJAVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAUZqG3KmCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA95r5tCxTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gRaO69vfuU

In another Best Motoring video (GTR vs Gallardo SL vs 911 turbo vs GT-3 vs NSX-R) (I think this is it, it was taken down from Youtube: http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...l=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

The Porsche cruising around at 3,000 RPM (and once at 2,500 RPM) in the race. Also, the driver shorts shift at 5,900 RPM when the GTR passes but at other times he shifts much higher in the rev range. In that "battle"the Lambo down at 4,000 RPM.
The Porsche and Lambo were being driven several thousand RPM below their powerband.

In one of the previous videos in this thread, it was even stated that the Lambo drifted in a corner, and the NSX-R overtook them.

In another old Best Motoring video, there was a drag race with the C6 Z06, and the Z06 did 1/4 mile in low 13's. ALL of the other publications around the world have the Z06 doing the 1/4 mile in 11s.
I found the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=layQ6Y0Df9M
A stock C6 can do 12 sec consistently, but at Best Motoring they actually manage to run a worse time with 100+ more hp, lighter body, closer ratio, and fatter tires.
 
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You get this type of response because guys who watch these things see a car doing well but hardly ever winning.

Also I never see any of their times "corrected" for sea lever or anything like that. What you see is cars being taken out to the track to see how they do. When you hang out at tracks you see a lot cars doing well and others not doing so well.

It's quite possible that the owners of some of the cars that let BMI track them tell them not to redline their car. I see them being very careful not crash or damage the vehicles. If the cars aren't coming from a manufacturer with their blessing then their just doing the best they can.

Next if you read C&D they say that most times the exotics they test have to go back on a trailer after testing as sometimes things break.

The cars that BMI get from Manufacturers are generally the Japanese cars so they can drive them harder ( of course that could also be because they can take it ) and so they do. Yeah I've seen where they say stuff like the tires are bad but God bless'em they still drive them anyway ( those guys are nuts ).

Besides no one else seems interested in doing what they're doing and usually most of the western countries don't include the Asian stuff anyway.

They have fun it's entertaining the NSX-R hardly ever wins ,but it puts up a good showing. Again since no one else outside of Japan has raced it against other cars how do we know competent/incompetent it is?
 
Now that I brought up points and videos that Best Motoring videos are biased, you state that they indeed are biased and not "real" racing scenarios. :rolleyes:

If you do a Time Attack on a track, you don't run all of the cars together at the same time, but you make them do individual runs.

I can go through more Best Motoring videos and bring up points that the Japanese sports cars are driven properly, and that the exotics are not.

However, before I brought up these points, a lot of people on this forum take Best Motoring videos as gospel, that the NSX-R will beat Ferrari's left and right around the track, when that is not true at all.
You bring up the point about "bringing the cars to the track, and letting them do what they do" but to most people that don't look at the real details (shift points, RPMs, etc) and they think that Best Motoring videos are entirely truthful, when they are NOT.
Looking at all the responses from all of the posters on this thread tells a LOT about how many people believe in the BM races.
Best Motoring videos are biased, plain and simple.

If those exotics aren't driven to their limit, then how are Best Motoring videos a fair demonstration of the car's capabilities?
The NSX-R is a great car, but it's showing by BM vids are very skewed and shouldn't at all be a point to reference how competent it is compared to other exotic cars.

Again, from a japanese speaker on my other car forum:

"I was looking at the Japanese car enthusiast forum...

Some guy had a chance to chat with JGTC race car driver, he was driving an F50 for Best Motoring's NSX-R vs Euro Supercar episode.

Anyways, he said that he was really taking it easy on the F50 because if he really ripped an F50, there was no way the NSX-R could keep up. So he had to drive an F50 with less gas to keep the race close to entertain the audience."

I don't have the exact link, but it was on this japanese Ferrari board:
http://www.tubistylejapan.com/FCTtop.htm
 
I took another viewing at the "Motegi Battle", where the NSX-R driver is driving it to overheating, and the Murcielago driving isn't even pushing the car to anywhere near it's limits.

Here are the points that I noted:

44s Murcielago shifts at low rpm
1:24s NSX-R blows by passing 360 like it was standing still, 360 taking outside line. 360 doesn't defend the driving line at all.
1:59s Murcielago not in powerband in turn
2:15s Murcielago at very low rpm coming out of turn
2:47s Murcielago doesn't pass NSX-R when it had the chance to at 2:46. Look at the RPMs. Murcielago purposely slowed down.
3:00-3:06s Murcielago isn't at it's powerband
7:07s How come the Murcielago didn't defend it's driving line?
7:20s Murcielago isn't in it's peak powerband
 
I took another viewing at the "Motegi Battle", where the NSX-R driver is driving it to overheating, and the Murcielago driving isn't even pushing the car to anywhere near it's limits.

Here are the points that I noted:

44s Murcielago shifts at low rpm
1:24s NSX-R blows by passing 360 like it was standing still, 360 taking outside line. 360 doesn't defend the driving line at all.
1:59s Murcielago not in powerband in turn
2:15s Murcielago at very low rpm coming out of turn
2:47s Murcielago doesn't pass NSX-R when it had the chance to at 2:46. Look at the RPMs. Murcielago purposely slowed down.
3:00-3:06s Murcielago isn't at it's powerband
7:07s How come the Murcielago didn't defend it's driving line?
7:20s Murcielago isn't in it's peak powerband

Well didn't they state that they were trying to save their tires:rolleyes:

You go through all this and yet the NSX-R lost:confused: The driver was Gan San and he always drives like that no matter what car you put him in. I saw a BMI out take where Gan San spun a white F430 because he drives like that. NSX-R lost to a Porsche GT3 in one of their vids no one was up in arms over that. People seem to want it not to do well:confused:

I'm pretty sure no one here thinks NSXs beat Ferraris all the time and I never understood why people get upset if some people do. Some people will take the BMI as gospel , some entertainment. When Gan San ran the NSX-R at the ring lots of people wish to contest it that to. Was that run biased as well.:rolleyes:

Top Gear ran an NSX against the C6 a TVR and a 997 911. Just drag race mind you and the NSX came in second. Yet people cry foul and say the NSX shouldn't be able to do that as those cars have all been recorded doing faster times than the NSX. But you know what it did it. Sometimes it wins comes in second or loses. You state that BMI is no real comparison of the NSX-R against other exotics due to bias ( theirs ) but no one else has tested it against any of these exotics so how can you be sure that it isn't:rolleyes:

Also I double checked my post and don't see anywhere that I said they were indeed biased. I mentioned possible factors ,but since I don't know anyone there behind the scenes how could I or you know for that matter.

You can indeed do a time attack with more than one car as the other cars become obstacles to overcome for time. They just call them regular races here. Seems like they call it time attack for drama.

Just watched the April 08 BMI and the M3 ( german car ) beat everything Japanese that was thrown at it so where's the bias there?

Why is it always bias if a Japanese car does well against European or American cars.
 
Well didn't they state that they were trying to save their tires:rolleyes:

You go through all this and yet the NSX-R lost:confused: The driver was Gan San and he always drives like that no matter what car you put him in. I saw a BMI out take where Gan San spun a white F430 because he drives like that. NSX-R lost to a Porsche GT3 in one of their vids no one was up in arms over that. People seem to want it not to do well:confused:

I'm pretty sure no one here thinks NSXs beat Ferraris all the time and I never understood why people get upset if some people do. Some people will take the BMI as gospel , some entertainment. When Gan San ran the NSX-R at the ring lots of people wish to contest it that to. Was that run biased as well.:rolleyes:

Top Gear ran an NSX against the C6 a TVR and a 997 911. Just drag race mind you and the NSX came in second. Yet people cry foul and say the NSX shouldn't be able to do that as those cars have all been recorded doing faster times than the NSX. But you know what it did it. Sometimes it wins comes in second or loses. You state that BMI is no real comparison of the NSX-R against other exotics due to bias ( theirs ) but no one else has tested it against any of these exotics so how can you be sure that it isn't:rolleyes:

Also I double checked my post and don't see anywhere that I said they were indeed biased. I mentioned possible factors ,but since I don't know anyone there behind the scenes how could I or you know for that matter.

You can indeed do a time attack with more than one car as the other cars become obstacles to overcome for time. They just call them regular races here. Seems like they call it time attack for drama.

Just watched the April 08 BMI and the M3 ( german car ) beat everything Japanese that was thrown at it so where's the bias there?

Why is it always bias if a Japanese car does well against European or American cars.

http://www.highrevs.net/motogp_tracks/twin_ring_motegi_circuit.php
Track length: 4801m, 2.983 miles

You're telling me, that for a 3 lap race, just under 9miles in total, that they were trying to "save their tires"? :rolleyes:
Are you telling me, that they couldn't even afford to put on a new set of tires for all of the cars?
If the tires for the other exotic cars were really that low on tread for them not to be able to push the car harder, then something REALLY must be wrong.
It is ABSURD that they would completely wear out their tire treads in less than 9 miles on the track.



The point is, the NSX-R would of ended up much lower ranking in the race, if the run was indeed done fairly.

Another thing is with different drivers.
It's not a fair test; some drivers may be at a different skill level than the others/more familiar with one car, and may be more experienced on that particular track.

My POINT is that a LOT of people on NSX Prime take Best Motoring videos as gospel. You can clearly see the evidence of this on this thread.


The run for the NSX-R around Nuburgring WAS biased.
They removed the rev-limiter for the NSX-R. Some websites state that the lap was incomplete
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times
It says: " Omit the safe equipment model No Airbags No ESC No Spare tire"

Take a look at my post with the Z06 1/4mile
Apart from Best Motoring, who else has made 13 second 1/4 runs in the Z06?

You indirectly stated that BM videos are biased from the video of the 911 Turbo vs the new GTR.
I stated that the 911 Turbo was automatic, with poor condition tires.
You stated:
"The cars that BMI get from Manufacturers are generally the Japanese cars so they can drive them harder ( of course that could also be because they can take it ) and so they do. Yeah I've seen where they say stuff like the tires are bad but God bless'em they still drive them anyway ( those guys are nuts )."

The tires on the 911 Turbo, BM themselves admitted that the tires were bad. That IS a bias in favor of the GTR.
Also, if they don't drive the other European cars/American cars EQUALLY as hard as the japanese cars, how is that a fair test?
This is basic high school science. Same replicates across the board.
Have the same driver for all cars. Drive the car to the limit.

And Top Gear is notoriously biased against American cars.

Currently, you haven't refuted any of the points I brought up in all of these videos, regarding passing, shifting, racing below the powerband, "conserving tires", not defending their driving line, etc.
 
Also, unless I misunderstand you, you are stating that "some sort of measuring stick, is better than no measuring stick at all" (As in, since no one else has comparisons with the NSX-R to other cars, Best Motoring is better than not having anything)

I disagree.

I think that an unfair and incorrect measurement does not have any value, and also will skew up existing truthful values.
 
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