NSX in a condo: What would you do?

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I apologize in advance for the following novel. I've seen several of these threads where the poor guy gets torn a new one by everyone but I decided to try it anyway..

I decided that I was going to get an NSX about a year and a half ago and started saving money for it this summer. I'm 30 years old, have a good job, am married and have a 2 year old.

Both of my current cars have been paid off for a long time.
I currently live in a condo but am trying to get out of it to buy a real house. I have put my condo up for sale and failed to sell it twice already (about to list it for a 3rd time in the next month or two).

The problem with having an NSX in my current place is that I have a shared parking garage under my building with a tandem parking space. The recent snow here has proven that I can actually fit 2 cars in that space if I need to (pathfinder usually parks outside), however the top half of the concrete wall I park next to is chain link fence so it lets some snow/rain in. My TL parked where the NSX would be was covered with a thin layer of snow for a few days when it was really bad (rare around here, but it happens).

The other problem is that I can't work on cars where I'm at now. I end up taking my TL over to my in-laws to do repairs and wash it, so that's not entirely bad. There are some nice winding roads on the way to their house. :tongue:

There are some individual garages that I might be able to rent from someone to keep the car in, but that'll probably cost me another $100/month, so I'd prefer not to.

Are car covers water proof?

The other part of the problem is wife approval. She really wants a house (we've got money saved for that too, if only we could dump our current place). She says I shouldn't be buying a car before we get a house, and I know she's probably right. She's already given in to #1 below, as well as agreeing to park her car in the driveway if we end up with a 2 car garage (very likely). :biggrin:

Here's what I think my options are:
1) Wait until I get a house to get the car. This might be a year or two or longer, who knows. Finish saving money and pay cash for the entire thing. **This was my original plan**
The benefits of waiting include: no car payment, no risk of a car loan messing with my ability to get a mortgage, no risk of ruining car or having it get messed up being in a parking garage, the bonus of me being all responsible, etc. Another possible benefit is prices dropping even more by that time. If I could have any NSX it'd be a blue 2002+, but that is still way more than I want to spend right now.

2) Wait and see if my condo fails to sell this time around, then buy the car anyway once I have enough cash. This seems like a reasonable compromise.

3) Buy it now and finance ~half the car. The payments would be pretty small, and there's the whole instant gratification thing, though not quite instant since I've been saving money for about 7 months. The fact that I've saved that much so fast tells me the payments wouldn't be an issue.

My original savings target was $34k for a 91, but I've seen the prices drop quite a bit the past few months and I don't think I need that much money any more. I'm hoping for a silver/black (DrVolkl's car is almost perfect). I would be using the car on weekends and driving it to work on sunny days, etc.

Anyway you can calculate how much I have saved if you look at my sig.
I have other savings, and money for retirement, etc so it isn't like buying a car would be wiping me out. Can't I do something slightly less than responsible for once?

So the question is.. What would you do, and why?
 
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OK, hear is my long answer/opinion to your long question...

I guess the first question I would ask is if you're already pre-qualified for your mortgage? I spoke with my buddy today and he is buying another home. He is extremely successful, very high income, no debt (i.e. pays off balance each month) and has a FICO score of 798.:eek: 800 is perfect. Well he was able to get a mortgage with 20% down payment.:eek:

Now many will disagree with the following, but I believe if you can't pay cash for your NSX, you shouldn't buy it. Why would someone finance a depreciating asset? Yeah, I know you don't like to hear that and the NSX doesn't depreciate, but ask some guys that bought theirs last year or two years ago.

I live in a high rise building in San Francisco. My car is parked six floors below ground level. Once when I was in the garage walking toward my car a lady said, "You know the word on this level is 'don't get near that red car.'" My Super placed carpet remnants next to the driver's door and the passenger's door. So, I don't find it a problem to park in a garage like that. Plus, I know both people that park on either side of me.

I don't know what a home that you're looking for costs in your area, but let's assume it's $300K. So, if you have $60K in the bank, plus closing costs, little debt and have been pre-qualified for your mortgage and you're able to pay cash for your NSX...go for it.:biggrin:

Good luck.
 
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Hey Cozmo, in your shoes I'd vote for #1. Money comes down to priorities and if moving to a house is your #1 priority and NSX your #2 priority, I'm not sure at the moment you have the certainty to be able to skip ahead to #2 without possibly compromising #1 in some way.
 
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OK, hear is my long answer/opinion to your long question...

I guess the first question I would ask is if you're already pre-qualified for your mortgage? I spoke with my buddy today and he is buying another home. He is extremely successful, very high income, no debt (i.e. pays off balance each month) and has a FICO score of 798.:eek: 800 is perfect. Well he was able to get a mortgage with 20% down payment.:eek:

Now many will disagree with the following, but I believe if you can't pay cash for your NSX, you shouldn't buy it. Why would someone finance a depreciating asset? Yeah, I know you don't like to hear that and the NSX doesn't depreciate, but ask some guys that bought theirs last year or two years ago.


I don't know what a home that you're looking for costs in your area, but let's assume it's $300K. So, if you have $60K in the bank, plus closing costs, little debt and have been pre-qualified for your mortgage and you're able to pay cash for your NSX...go for it.:biggrin:

Good luck.

I guess I need to talk to my mortgage people again and see how things have changed since last summer when I last looked into it. I *was* pre qualified before but it expired. I just called them but they're so busy right now because the rates are so low that they say it might take up to 3 days just for them to return my phone call. :eek:

The plan was to spend 400k on a house and put down 10%. That might not be enough now.
 
Hey Cozmo, in your shoes I'd vote for #1. Money comes down to priorities and if moving to a house is your #1 priority and NSX your #2 priority, I'm not sure at the moment you have the certainty to be able to skip ahead to #2 without possibly compromising #1 in some way.

Yeah I'm going to talk to the bank and see if having that much of a car loan would impact my ability to finance a house. If it does there's no decision to make.
 
I lost focus about halfway through but I get the gist of it. Buy the house first, then the NSX. Snow and rain won't hurt an NSX but the car will be little solace if you end up having an angry wife in a small condo.

:cool:

I'm not really sure if she'd mind that much if I could prove that getting the car wouldn't have an impact on getting a house. I'd just need to get all my facts lined up and pitch it to her hehe
 
Buy Dr Volkl's car before it's gone, gone, gone. Everyone on this forum knows him and would likely vouch for him.:wink:
 
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OK, hear is my long answer/opinion to your long question...

I guess the first question I would ask is if you're already pre-qualified for your mortgage? I spoke with my buddy today and he is buying another home. He is extremely successful, very high income, no debt (i.e. pays off balance each month) and has a FICO score of 798.:eek: 800 is perfect. Well he was able to get a mortgage with 20% down payment.:eek:

Now many will disagree with the following, but I believe if you can't pay cash for your NSX, you shouldn't buy it. Why would someone finance a depreciating asset? Yeah, I know you don't like to hear that and the NSX doesn't depreciate, but ask some guys that bought theirs last year or two years ago.

I live in a high rise building in San Francisco. My car is parked six floors below ground level. Once when I was in the garage walking toward my car a lady said, "You know the word on this level is 'don't get near that red car.'" My Super placed carpet remnants next to the driver's door and the passenger's door. So, I don't find it a problem to park in a garage like that. Plus, I know both people that park on either side of me.

I don't know what a home that you're looking for costs in your area, but let's assume it's $300K. So, if you have $60K in the bank, plus closing costs, little debt and have been pre-qualified for your mortgage and you're able to pay cash for your NSX...go for it.:biggrin:

Good luck.

FYI Doug, 850 is perfect. I've seen scores over 800.

OP, buy the damn car. We know why you're asking us instead of asking the same question on a real estate forum - because you'd like to find a way to have both.
 
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I live in a high rise building in San Francisco. My car is parked six floors below ground level.

6 floors underground? Dude, that's crazy. I wanna move into your building :)

And I heard 820 was perfect. At one point I was 804 about a year ago. I bet my score is in the shitter now though after I maxed out my cards on school books.
 
Now many will disagree with the following, but I believe if you can't pay cash for your NSX, you shouldn't buy it. Why would someone finance a depreciating asset? Yeah, I know you don't like to hear that and the NSX doesn't depreciate, but ask some guys that bought theirs last year or two years ago.


+1

I have 3 cars 2 nsx's and a civic and they are all payed off. Life is alot easyer when you have no cars to pay for. I would just save up the money and pay it in full. Its hard to pay it off at once since its alot of money but in the long run you sleep better since the cars are actually yours.
 
Please buy a house and put your family first. Is your wife or 2 year old going to drive the NSX? Also, letting it rot outside is super sad.

I wonder if the Ford/Chevy forums get as many finance related questions as we do.
 
Cozmo-

I am in the exact same predicament as you, except I already have my NSX. I live in a condo and am on the waiting list (grrr) for a carport. But, for now, my baby has to sit out in the elements. Worse, they do not allow car covers as it is a "blight" on the property. Needless to say, I'm not happy seeing my NSX covered in snow and ice. But, after talking it over with LarryB and others, it is not as bad as it seems. The paint is excellent and the car is mostly aluminum, meaning plain fresh water will not damage it. The real danger is salt road spray, so I never drive the NSX in winter unless the roads are bone dry.

As a precautionary measure, I claybared the body in the fall when the weather was still good and put several coats of Jetseal 109, which is a synthetic paint sealant. Every time it snows, I go out and (gently) clear off the snow from the body. Since the car is black, a few hours of sun even in cold temps will melt off any residual snow/ice. The car has been through a few big storms since November and the water still beads on the paint and there is no visible change in the condition of the car. So, rain and snow are not going to hurt your NSX. Lots of folks in the northern climes can vouch that the NSX is a fairly robust car. :)

If the roads are dry on the weekends, I take the car out and drive it around to keep all of the fluids circulated and seals wet. If road conditions are bad, I run the car in the parking spot for 15-20min. It seems to be working well so far.

Still, we are saving for a house and you can be sure I will have a 3rd garage just for the NSX, since it is a pain to go out there and clear it off after every snowfall!

I feel your pain about the lack of a garage. It kills me to have to pay somebody to change my oil for me! :D Plus, the building association frowns on car work being done in the parking spaces. Not that I haven't done it though...

If I were you, I would first make sure I have a 6 month "oh sh$t" fund of savings. Stuff happens in life and it's a good idea to have some extra cash at hand to cover any life emergencies. Basically take your critical monthly expenses and multiply by 6. Once you've got that in the bank, and can cover your other expenses safely, go ahead and get the car. It's worth it. ;)
 
If your credit score is over 700 you have nothing to worry about. You will not be seen as a "risky" investment on the part of the financiers.

When buying a higher priced car I suggest paying with some cash and putting the rest on your credit card. IMO $30,000 in cash can be put to better use than paying for a car. Put it on a 0% interest card or a low (2.9%) interest card. Pay it off in three or five years. Use the cash saved to fix up your condo so it will sell HGTV style! OR, invest your money in lucrative ops that will make you more money. $30,000 is too much money to blow all at once on a car. Make your money work for you.

BTW - stay away from car loans (capital one) or personal loans since they can not match the low low rates that a credit card company can.
 
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I would do option 1 and wait till you have secure parking. If you finance any part of it that will increase your debt ratio making it more difficult qualifying for a house.
 
The car wouldn't be entirely outside. It is under a cover but only a half wall on 2 sides.. so it is probably slightly better than a carport.

I stopped by the bank on the way home and the debt to income ratio thing isn't an issue, even with a partial loan. The worst case is if my credit score drops below a certain point due to the debt, it'd make closing costs on the house go up $800, HOWEVER their quote for closing costs was $3k less than I had planned.

I can also self-finance the car until taxes are due, so that'd give me a few more months to save money after I bought the car.

..and my wife gave me approval just now.

hmmmmm
 
Thanks for the "me stupid" regarding FICA scores.:redface:

On the other hand, I find it really interesting regarding the insight and information Prime members are able to offer other members. It's really a great place to be for so many reasons.
 


It's obvious banks are desperate for cash right now, start throwing offers around at .30-.40 cents on the dollar at some foreclosures, don't be surprised if 1 out of 5 banks actually consider doing a deal at under 50% of the homes value. That's how I'm picking up properties right now.
 
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When buying a higher priced car I suggest paying with some cash and putting the rest on your credit card. IMO $30,000 in cash can be put to better use than paying for a car. Put it on a 0% interest card or a low (2.9%) interest card. Pay it off in three or five years.

Im not sure I can agree with that. Assuming you have the best credit and can get that 3% CC rate, I still don't think its a good idea. One bad, missed, or late payment and the rate will go to 20, 25, 30% and you will be forced to move it somewhere else.
 
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