NSX competition...?

On an autocross course, I have no idea; I'm not about to stand around all day long for a couple of two-minute slow-speed runs to find out. :p

On a road course, with equal drivers - which, as gheba notes, is a critical assumption - the NSX should be able to beat any of the cars listed, assuming that the C5 is not a Z06, and assuming that the Targa is not a turbo.
 
For those of us that do stand in the sun all day for 2minute runs :)

It normally ends up like this in an autocross:

S2000
Boxster S
C5 Corvette
NSX
911 Targa
Supra TT
C4 Corvette
300ZXTT

But then again all those cars would normally get beat by an Acura ITR or a 1.8l Miata in an Auto-X anyways.
 
I agree with Ken regarding road courses and if you allow the NSX to be modified I'd even say that the Vettes would fall. Adding a SC makes it even easier.
 
pach said:
For those of us that do stand in the sun all day for 2minute runs :)

It normally ends up like this in an autocross:

S2000
Boxster S
C5 Corvette
NSX
911 Targa
Supra TT
C4 Corvette
300ZXTT

But then again all those cars would normally get beat by an Acura ITR or a 1.8l Miata in an Auto-X anyways.
Huh? C5 vettes (all C5s) are classed in Super Stock (SS). They are better auto-x cars than S2000s. Even C4s are classed higher (AS) than S2000s (BS). I know Vettes ain't so popular on this board but let's at least be honest of their capabilities. Take a look at the Nationals if you want to compare cars between classes. Top competitors at the national level are the most consistant so the differences between driver skill is greatly reduced. Results at the local level are not nearly as consistant because driver skill varies so widely.

Here's a rough breakdown:

C5 owns SS
C4 owns AS
S2000 owns BS
911's, Supras, 300ZXs, and (sorry to say) NSXs are not competitive in their classes.


Road courses are a different thing. Z06s are still top dog but S2000s fall way off because of our lack of power. NSXs are generally more competitve around a road course. 300ZX, C4 vette, and Supras are a tad too heavy for serious road course work. Assuming all in stock form of course.
 
I would think the NSX is not geared very well for Auto X.. at least the stock 91-94.
 
The new (heavy) M3 is in SS does that mean it can beat the S2000 also ?

Just because one car is classified higher doesnt mean its going to perform better. Often times S2000's do beat C5's on the autocross. Many times CS (Miata) cars beat SS and BS. And a Supra Turbo does pretty well when it is unresistricted in power mods as it did win SM one year.
 
pach said:
The new (heavy) M3 is in SS does that mean it can beat the S2000 also ?

Just because one car is classified higher doesnt mean its going to perform better. Often times S2000's do beat C5's on the autocross. Many times CS (Miata) cars beat SS and BS. And a Supra Turbo does pretty well when it is unresistricted in power mods as it did win SM one year.
Yes, often times S2000s do beat C5s and Z06s (and e46 M3s). I've even done it myself. However, that is because the driver is better, not the car. Generally speaking, the higher the class the better performing the car. There are exceptions of course (as you've noted) but they are exceptions. The whole point of classing is to have similar performing cars compete against each other. And SCCA classes are in descending order. SS is faster than AS is faster than BS is faster than CS, etc..... So yes, car classification is a big indicator of a cars performance. (Again, much more relevent at the national level where driver skill variance is small vs. at a local level where skill variance is huge. Hence, me beating every e46 M3 and most C5s that I've auto-crossed against.)

A Supra winning SM once is hardly indicitive of a class dominating platform. S2000 has dominated BS since it was classed there. Z06 has dominated SS since it was introduced. Every year. Consistancy and repeatability is the sign of a class dominator.

I don't think we're disagreeing all that much here, I just think you're focusing too much on the exceptions and discounting driver skill.
 
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