NSX 2005 mentioned at Geneva Motor Show.

[BITeR]

From Auto Express (mostly about the Accord but... keep reading:

"Ultimate Accord Powers Up

Here's a super-Accord which could 'charge' past BMW's M3 and the Audi S4. The bodykitted Honda, revealed at last week's Geneva Motor Show, points the way to a new super-quick version - but the big news is that it could use hybrid technology to give it the power needed to take on its German rivals.

"With looks like this, the production version will have to be beyond the performance levels of a Type R," said a Honda insider. "Our target with this Accord is to show that we can beat our German rivals. So the high-performance model will have to be good enough to take on their range-topping models."

The problem so far has been the lack of an engine. The firm is looking at harnessing the performance potential of hybrid powertrains to give both the Accord range and the Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) technology a real image boost. "The Accord has been engineered to accept IMA, and our Dual Note concept demonstrated that hybrids can be more than simply about economy," said our source. The Dual Note, unveiled at 2001's Tokyo Motor Show, is expected to become the new NSX in 2005, and a hot Accord will appear then, too.

The result would be a car with a 200bhp-plus VTEC petrol engine powering the front wheels, and electric hub motors driving the rears. It would have four-wheel drive and offer performance on a par with that of a conventional 350bhp vehicle, but with fuel economy to rival a regular 2.0-litre petrol unit.

Here is the URL (you might have to register):
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=34849

For more Geneva images, click on the following link.
Geneva images Tom Barnard"



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[matteni]

Originally posted by BITeR:
...The Dual Note, unveiled at 2001's Tokyo Motor Show, is expected to become the new NSX in 2005...

Very interesting article and thank you for the link. I too would like to see Europe beating performance in a sedan package from Honda!

However, as for the NSX referece I would chalk this up as editorial conjecture - nothing more. We need a more reliable and directly quoted source - unfortunately.



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99' Honda Odyssey with Many Kids

 

[Jimbo]

This is old because the DualNote was the original name given to the DN-X sports sedan. The DN-X hybrid sedan is rumored to replace the RL sedan next year.

Repeat after me...

No hybrid will ever truly replace the NSX in the next 15 years. No hybrid will...

-Jim

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1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
1976 Honda Accord 5 spd, 3 door Blue/Blue
1977 Honda Accord - Custom - Under Construction
2003 MINI Cooper S - On Order - All Black
1986 Chevy Suburban
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[Vytas]

In a post a while ago, it was clearly mentioned by Mr. Uehara in an interview that the DN-X will not be a replacement for the NSX. I doubt it would replace the RL either since it doesn't look anything like a luxury sedan. The DN-X, if produced, will most likely be a new model and not replace any car in the Honda/Acura line.

 

[BITeR]

Originally posted by Vytas:
In a post a while ago, it was clearly mentioned by Mr. Uehara in an interview that the DN-X will not be a replacement for the NSX. I doubt it would replace the RL either since it doesn't look anything like a luxury sedan. The DN-X, if produced, will most likely be a new model and not replace any car in the Honda/Acura line.

Well, the "source" from Autoexpress does not deviate from what mr Uehara is saying. It just implies an IMA version of the Accord, followed by a 2005 NSX with IMA. Personally I doubt the DN-X as a production possibility at all. Like he said, the Accord is built to be able to use IMA in the future, sounds like they are for real with it then.



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[mlambert890]

Their source quoted that the Dualnote was "expected to become the next NSX in 2005". The Dualnote became the DN-X, so it would seem that source has dubious info.

It may very well be that the Accord is going the route stated, but anything regarding the NSX sounds like the same usual wild speculation. Fact is that whatever Honda is planning to do has just not leaked out yet.

 

[Silver F16]

The president of Honda, Mr. Yoshino, has said the NSX owners are not interested in fuel economy and the IMA technology adds too much weight for this type of vehicle. Like many of you said, Autoexpress article was editorial comments and in this case, misguided.

 

[MAJOR STONER]

"Although it is still behind the competition, but for 2005 a V-8 NSX is said to come out from Japan. Let's wait and see."
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/4028/nsx.html

 

[MAJOR STONER]

A couple of quotes from the vtec.net forums:

Yet more info about the NSX. Because the next Skyline GT-R will be expected to put out an astounding, 911-Turbo-killing 450-ps, Honda is fully upgrading its engine program. Following Nissan's lead, both manufacturers will ignore, for the first time, the domestic market power restriction of 280-ps. This unwritten law has been criticized for stifling the competitiveness of Japanese sports cars, and contributed, to a degree, their demise on the worldwide market outside of Japan.

A 3.5-litre V8 "base" engine will produce at least 400-ps, while a higher-spec model will have a 3.6-litre V8 producing at least 420-ps (and maybe even more, to battle the next GT-R). A 4-litre ultra-supercar is also under consideration (expect up to 500ps!)

Honda has learnt from its mistakes with the first NSX and the S2000 (JDM sales of the S2000 has continuously fallen to new lows as customers shy away from it. It is too peaky to drive in say, Tokyo, where traffic jams are the norm). Low-down torque will be more than ample this time around, and NSX will have class-leading performances in all areas. A steel body will keep costs down and will be less complicated to repair and insure. Honda has finally realized that just high-end power is not enough to satisfy buyers, it must also be easy to drive fast without having to rev to 9,000 rpm all the time.
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Despite previous rumors to the contrary, Best Car Magazine now claims that the next version of the NSX will continue to have an all-aluminum body.

More interestingly, they also report that it will use Honda's IMA hybrid technology. Here, though, the focus wouldn't be on energy & fuel efficiency, but on boosting performance to an even higher level. Nonetheless, it would also allow for an improvement in fuel efficiency, an area where the NSX already stands well above similar exotic automobiles.

Auto Express describes the new NSX as a 400bhp version of the Insight, though the hybrid layout they describe is quite different. They describe the new NSX as keeping the mid-mounted ICE (3.5L V6), but adding an electric motor to drive the front wheels, making the car a 4WD. Auto Express also reports that testing of the new NSX is already underway at Honda's Japanese research and development center. It is reported that the new NSX is to be available in 2004.

 

[FinallyNSXing]

Thanks for your post. I need to buy a car NOW but do not want to be the last one to purchase the "old" NSX. Do you have any other info on when the "new One" will be released? I love the current model but fear what happenend to the MB 500SL when the "new" version came out.....the older style lost 30-50% of its resale value!! Help!

Originally posted by MAJOR STONER:
A couple of quotes from the vtec.net forums:

Yet more info about the NSX. Because the next Skyline GT-R will be expected to put out an astounding, 911-Turbo-killing 450-ps, Honda is fully upgrading its engine program. Following Nissan's lead, both manufacturers will ignore, for the first time, the domestic market power restriction of 280-ps. This unwritten law has been criticized for stifling the competitiveness of Japanese sports cars, and contributed, to a degree, their demise on the worldwide market outside of Japan.

A 3.5-litre V8 "base" engine will produce at least 400-ps, while a higher-spec model will have a 3.6-litre V8 producing at least 420-ps (and maybe even more, to battle the next GT-R). A 4-litre ultra-supercar is also under consideration (expect up to 500ps!)

Honda has learnt from its mistakes with the first NSX and the S2000 (JDM sales of the S2000 has continuously fallen to new lows as customers shy away from it. It is too peaky to drive in say, Tokyo, where traffic jams are the norm). Low-down torque will be more than ample this time around, and NSX will have class-leading performances in all areas. A steel body will keep costs down and will be less complicated to repair and insure. Honda has finally realized that just high-end power is not enough to satisfy buyers, it must also be easy to drive fast without having to rev to 9,000 rpm all the time.
**********************************************************************************

Despite previous rumors to the contrary, Best Car Magazine now claims that the next version of the NSX will continue to have an all-aluminum body.

More interestingly, they also report that it will use Honda's IMA hybrid technology. Here, though, the focus wouldn't be on energy & fuel efficiency, but on boosting performance to an even higher level. Nonetheless, it would also allow for an improvement in fuel efficiency, an area where the NSX already stands well above similar exotic automobiles.

Auto Express describes the new NSX as a 400bhp version of the Insight, though the hybrid layout they describe is quite different. They describe the new NSX as keeping the mid-mounted ICE (3.5L V6), but adding an electric motor to drive the front wheels, making the car a 4WD. Auto Express also reports that testing of the new NSX is already underway at Honda's Japanese research and development center. It is reported that the new NSX is to be available in 2004.

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by NSX04Hopeful:
Thanks for your post. I need to buy a car NOW but do not want to be the last one to purchase the "old" NSX. Do you have any other info on when the "new One" will be released? I love the current model but fear what happenend to the MB 500SL when the "new" version came out.....the older style lost 30-50% of its resale value!! Help!

There's no hard and fast information on when the new NSX might appear. My impression is that its release is at least 12 to 18 months away, maybe more, and that its status is still very tentative (which is no surprise, considering the state of the economy).

I'm not sure why you need to buy a car now (daily driver?) but there are several options. One is to buy a used NSX. I think prices of the early NSXs are likely to remain stable, particularly for well-cared-for low-mileage ones, which are becoming less and less common. Even the '97-98 vintage is selling at attractive prices now (fiftyish) and you're not likely to lose much of your investment. With the newer ones, it's tougher to tell. Even if you get one for the bargain prices in the $73-75K range (which will ought to be available in the likely event that incentives return in a few months), they might or might not drop in price. We've seen late-model NSXs difficult to sell recently because the new ones are such a bargain.

If you're buying new, one way to protect yourself against loss of market value is to lease the car instead of buying (and there ARE lease incentives on the 2003 right now). That way, if the car drops a lot in value, you won't lose out, and if it doesn't drop a lot, you can always buy it for the residual at the end of the lease term.