'no-title' means...?

[Osiris_x11]

Just doing my usual NSX 'net rounds and came across this on Ebay...(NO TITLE AVAILABLE, etc) anyone got any insights? I have no interest in this car nor does anyone I know, but was curious of the circumstances around it (ie. stolen???)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=5337&item=2437305880

 

[Soichiro]

No title = no way to prove your ownership. Sounds like a scam to me. You give the seller your money and get the car until he shows up with the police and his title claiming theft. Run, don't walk, away from this.

 

[RPM217]

just a guess

Probably the registration is expired, or about to expire, and now would be a good time to find a sucker willing to buy a car that he'll never be able to register. I wonder how you go about proving that you legitimately purchased a car, that can't convey proof of ownership. I guess somehow an oxymoron is here, that only a moron would buy!!

 

[RyRy210]

Maybe he lost the title or pink slip. If he is really the owner, DMV will have a record of it. I have lost a pink slip before for one of my cars. All I did was fill out a duplicate title form and went to the DMV. They mailed me a new pink slip.

You can also do a transfer without a pink slip, but the DMV forms used are complicated and everything needs to be notarized by the seller.

If I were the seller I would get a new pink slip.

 

[Soichiro]

>>Probably the registration is expired

I'm not sure I understand. The annual registration has nothing to do with the permanent title. You can sell an expired car by removing the plates, but you need a title to transfer ownership. At least that's my understanding.

 

[NSX UNITED]

Soichiro is right, registration is only needed to get a car on the road.

This auction is sad, the seller can't even spell.

The can has "NO TITLE".

 

[MarkB]

If the seller cannot provide a clear title, stay away.

Getting a duplicate title is a simple trip to the local DMV office for the currently titled owner.

 

[Osiris_x11]

Welcome to the Ebay era. . .

hmmm... Yea, I was trying to differentiate between the local/state registration from the ownership-title (ie. 'pink-slip'). Def' not kosher at all- so to speak, by the sound of it.

 

[autobody tech]

sounds like a (salvaged) flood car.electrical problems,poor refinish has clear flaking.anyway ,he put (blue)for the interior color!

 

[mikec]

So, no title means he's selling the car for half of what it may be worth.

Does it mean thathe's willing to sacrifice $10,000 or more because he's too lazy to get a title?

No... it probably means that he is not able to get a title, and probably neither can you.

Using a backhoe, I buried my uncle's old Datsun back of my barn because it was left here after he died, and the family could not come up with a title. A junk yard would not even take it without a title.

Check with your local DMV, but I think no title means he has a non-sellable car.

 

[Ojas]

anyway ,he put (blue)for the interior color!

It looks blue in the super-poor quality picture he took.

He also put auto for transmission when it is manual (in picture and VIN).

EDIT: I see he added a correction.

 

[steveny]

So, no title means he's selling the car for half of what it may be worth.

Does it mean thathe's willing to sacrifice $10,000 or more because he's too lazy to get a title?

No... it probably means that he is not able to get a title, and probably neither can you.

Using a backhoe, I buried my uncle's old Datsun back of my barn because it was left here after he died, and the family could not come up with a title. A junk yard would not even take it without a title.

Check with your local DMV, but I think no title means he has a non-sellable car.

This is true. If a junkyard would take a car without a title there would be a lot more auto theft. My grandfather owned a junkyard many years ago and complained about all the paperwork he had to do just to scrap one car. There are a few cars buried with a backhoe where the junkyard used to be.

My guess is that the NSX without a title was a salvage vehicle that was deemed EXPORT only. Which means that the vehicle can NEVER be titled in the United States again. However it would be a great deal for 13k and then part the car out. I am sure there would be more than 13k in parts in the car. Another option would be to buy the car and drive it on dealer plates. This does not require a title, but there would be only liability insurance on the car. If the car was crashed 13K gone. I personally would not buy the car without an attorney involved in the transaction and a lot of notarized paperwork verifying the sale.

 

[mikec]

i'm not even sure if it would be legal to own the car. A title is proof of ownership. What if you bought it, parked it in your driveway.. and someone questioned your ownership, or showed up with a title to the car and claimed you stole it. At the very least you'd be in for a horrible legal battle. I hate to think of what the worst would be.

 

[steveny]

I wonder if a shop could place a mechanics lean on it and then apply for a new title, assuming that it was not branded EXPORT?

 

[JGuidry]

I think you can get it titled. But it takes time and $.

I bought a car from California with a "paperless title", All I had was a Bill of Sale and a Notarized Transfer of Ownership from the CA DMV. When I went to have it titled in my name the Texas DMV would not do a normal title transfer with out the physical title. They would however issue a special title, I think it was a bonded title. Basically, they would take, I think $2K, and run a VIN check, if the car has not been reported stolen, It's yours.

The catch is, if the original title shows up, and someone claims it, you have to go to court to keep it. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and since you've gone through the proper legal channels, and hold a legal title, the burden of proof is on them.

I did a little google search and found this.

http://www.dmv.state.ne.us/dvr/mvtitles/mvbond.html

After 3 years you can file for a release. So it definitely is possible.

Jonathan

 

[Briank]

Maybe a Carfax on this car would shed some light on is really going on?

 

[steveny]

Yes a car fax would be good. I am not interested in buying but I am interested in whats up. Could someone please run a carfax and post it here. Thanks in advance.

 

[MBW]

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Year/Make/Model: 1991 ACURA NSX

Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 3.0L V6 PFI DOHC 24V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Manufactured in: JAPAN
Safety Equipment: 4 wheel ABS, Driver front air bag/passenger side active (manual) belt

Standard Equipment: Power Windows, Power Steering Optional, Air Conditioning, AM / FM Cassette, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel


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02/26/1998 69,582
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09/01/1995 42,426 Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Scottsdale, AZ
Title #H9KT952440169
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02/26/1998 69,582 California
Inspection Station
San Diego, CA
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03/03/1998 69,733 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
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04/29/1998 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Title issued
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[steveny]

No Salvage Title Reported
No Loss Due To Fire Title Reported

No Junk Title Reported
No Flood Damage Title Reported

No Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title Reported
No Hail Damage Title Reported

No Dismantled Title Reported
No Canadian Total Loss Record Reported


NO TITLE PERIOD!

 

[JGuidry]

04/29/1998 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Title issued
Loan or lien reported
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