Brother just got a $25.00 ticket (SF) for no front lic plates on his new Lexus GS 350. Did not know there was a fine involved. Used to be just a sign off fix it ticket. Anything to generate $$$
No Front Lic Plates= $25.00`fix it ticket?
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Actually I'm surprised its only $25. Seems cops have stepped up enforcement of this lately.
It's because of The City installing red-light cameras -- they "look at" the front plate.
I hate front plates on most cars...
Two solutions:
http://www.scienceofspeed.com/produ...cts/NSX/ScienceofSpeed/Stealth_License_Plate/
http://www.swiftmotorsports.com/index.php?cPath=2049&osCsid=b1550425ba379cf543d7fb26b7164943
I have the SOS unit.
Yes I got a ticket for no front license plate. I was going trhe opposite direction of the SFPD and they made a U-turn just to pull me over for that. The $25.00 isn't a fine for the actual "No Front License Plate", but what they call an administration fee
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I have this and was pulled over with it in "tucked" mode by the CHP.
They let me go without a ticket.
I REALLY don't understand any NSX owners in CA wouldn't have this mod with the way cops are trying to generate revenue in times like this.
Just a FYI, there is a group buy thread in the PacNW section for the motorized plate holder.
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122071
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122071
Just got pulled over today for the same shit! CHP on a city road - needless to say I decided to vent my frustration in front of him when he cited that people with no plates cause hit-n-run accidents. A-hole probably just wanted to check our my new S550.
What?
Yes, he made the assumption that drivers who intentionally have no front license plate are more subjected to commit crimes. He was profiling me even though I was dressed in my usual scrubs attire. I can't believe this is what my tax money goes to pay.
Beyond dumb. In the past I've asked a number of CHP officers if they would pull me over or give me a ticket because I don't have a front plate. I would say out of the five or six officers I asked, ALL said they would not. Keep in mind, this was a few years ago so there wasn't a "revenue generation" mode in effect, if there is. They ALL told me the only reason they would pull over a car without a front plate was for probable cause and that they really wanted to check the driver/passengers/etc.
All of them told me they wouldn't pull me over because they realized a front plate on the NSX really ruined the lines of the car.
Go figure.
Mount, shmount. Whatever. I haven't run a front plate in ANY of the states I've lived and happy to pay the fine instead.
Beyond dumb. In the past I've asked a number of CHP officers if they would pull me over or give me a ticket because I don't have a front plate. I would say out of the five or six officers I asked, ALL said they would not. Keep in mind, this was a few years ago so there wasn't a "revenue generation" mode in effect, if there is. They ALL told me the only reason they would pull over a car without a front plate was for probable cause and that they really wanted to check the driver/passengers/etc.
All of them told me they wouldn't pull me over because they realized a front plate on the NSX really ruined the lines of the car.
Go figure.
Doug,
Perhaps you should ask them if they would blow into the device on your NSX that would start the car.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: Ever heard from her again?
On a serious note, I am thinking of putting my front plates back on until the state and counties have a windfall.
Think about it this way, with the price of gas down where it is, you are saving $25 with every TANKFUL of gas...
$25 is cheap. My town is charging ~$135
Oh thanks Alan. Why did I ever post that story about that crazy chick?
I'll never live it down.I am still going to run the risk. I only drive my car a few times a month. It's mostly around San Francisco with the exception of sometimes outside of town for a NSX meet, lunch with Hal or Ken, etc. I'll wait my time...
Anyone up for lunch?
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All you ever wanted to know about licence plates in California.
VC 5200a or VC 5201 are the ones to pay attention to:
Display of License Plates
5200. (a) When two license plates are issued by the department for use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear.
(b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle, it shall be attached to the rear thereof , unless the license plate is issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5.
Amended Sec. 27, Ch. 594, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004.
Positioning of Plates
5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible. The rear license plate shall be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 60 inches from the ground, and the front license plate shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground, except as follows:
(a) The rear license plate on a tow truck may be mounted on the left-hand side of the mast assembly at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(b) The rear license plate on a tank vehicle hauling hazardous waste, as defined in Section 25117 of the Health and Safety Code, or asphalt material may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(c) The rear license plate on a truck tractor may be mounted at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, but not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(d) The rear license plate of a vehicle designed by the manufacturer for the collection and transportation of garbage, rubbish, or refuse that is used regularly for the collection and transportation of that material by any person or governmental entity employed to collect, transport, and dispose of garbage, rubbish, or refuse may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(e) The rear license plate on a two-axle livestock trailer may be mounted 12 inches or more, but not more than 90 inches, from the ground.
(f) A covering shall not be used on license plates except as follows:
(1) The installation of a cover over a lawfully parked vehicle to protect it from the weather and the elements does not constitute a violation of this subdivision. Any peace officer or other regularly salaried employee of a public agency designated to enforce laws, including local ordinances, relating to the parking of vehicles may temporarily remove so much of the cover as is necessary to inspect any license plate, tab, or indicia of registration on a vehicle.
(2) The installation of a license plate security cover is not a violation of this subdivision if the device does not obstruct or impair the recognition of the license plate information, including, but not limited to, the issuing state, license plate number, and registration tabs, and the cover is limited to the area directly over the top of the registration tabs. No portion of a license plate security cover shall rest over the license plate number.
A casing, shield, frame, border, product, or other device that obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate by an electronic device operated by state or local law enforcement, an electronic device operated in connection with a toll road, high-occupancy toll lane, toll bridge, or other toll facility, or a remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall not be installed on, or affixed to, a vehicle.
(h) (1) It is the intent of the Legislature that an accommodation be made to persons with disabilities and to those persons who regularly transport persons with disabilities, to allow the removal and relocation of wheelchair lifts and wheelchair carriers without the necessity of removing and reattaching the vehicle's rear license plate. Therefore, it is not a violation of this section if the reading or recognition of a rear license plate is obstructed or impaired by a wheelchair lift or wheelchair carrier and all of the following requirements are met:
(A) The owner of the vehicle has been issued a special identification license plate pursuant to Section 5007, or the person using the wheelchair that is carried on the vehicle has been issued a distinguishing placard under Section 22511.55.
(B) (i) The operator of the vehicle displays a decal, designed and issued by the department, that contains the license plate number assigned to the vehicle transporting the wheelchair.
(ii) The decal is displayed on the rear window of the vehicle, in a location determined by the department, in consultation with the Department of the California Highway Patrol, so as to be clearly visible to law enforcement.
(2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, if a decal is displayed pursuant to this subdivision, the requirements of this code that require the illumination of the license plate and the license plate number do not apply.
(3) The department shall adopt regulations governing the procedures for accepting and approving applications for decals, and issuing decals, authorized by this subdivision.
(4) This subdivision does not apply to a front license plate.
Amended Sec. 16, Ch. 1007, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000.
Amended Sec. 2, Ch. 626, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004.
Amended Sec. 6, Ch. 650, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005.
Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 273, Stats. 2007. Effective January 1, 2008.
Period of Display
5202. Every license plate issued by this State or any other jurisdiction within or without the United States shall remain attached during the period of its validity to the vehicle for which it is issued while being operated within this State or during the time the vehicle is being held for sale in this State, or until such time as a vehicle with special or identification plates is no longer entitled to such plates and no person shall operate, nor shall an owner knowingly permit to be operated, upon any highway any vehicle unless the license plate is so attached. Special permits issued in lieu of plates shall be attached and displayed on the vehicle for which issued during the period of their validity.
Plates Surrendered or Removed
5203. This chapter does not apply to plates which the department pursuant to law has ordered to be surrendered, transferred to another vehicle, or removed.
Issuance of Plates: Reflectorized Plates
4850. (a) The department, upon registering a vehicle, shall issue to the owner two partially or fully reflectorized license plates or devices for a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, and one partially or fully reflectorized license plate or device for all other vehicles required to be registered under this code. The plates or devices shall identify the vehicles for which they are issued for the period of their validity.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no contract shall be let to any nongovernmental entity for the purchase or securing of reflectorized material for the plates, unless the department has made every reasonable effort to secure qualified bids from as many independent, responsible bidders as possible. No contract shall be let to any nongovernmental entity for the manufacturing of reflectorized safety license plates.
(c) In addition to any other fees specified in this code, a fee of one dollar ($1) for reflectorization shall be paid only by those vehicle owners receiving license plates or devices under this section.
(d) This section does not require vehicle owners with nonreflectorized license plates or devices to replace them with reflectorized plates or devices.
(e) This section shall be known as the Schrade-Belotti Act.
Amended Ch. 679, Stats. 1985. Effective January 1, 1987. Display of Plates
4851. Every license plate shall have displayed upon it the registration number assigned to the vehicle for which it is issued, together with the word "California" or the abbreviation "Cal." and the year number for which it is issued or a suitable device issued by the department for validation purposes, which device shall contain the year number for which issued. Size of Plates
4852. (a) License plates issued for motor vehicles, other than motorcycles, shall be rectangular in shape, 12 inches in length and six inches in width. The number and letter characters on the plates shall have a minimum height of two and three-quarter inches, a minimum width of one and one-quarter inches, and a minimum spacing between characters of five-sixteenths of an inch.
(b) Motorcycle license plates shall measure seven inches in length and four inches in width, and the characters on the plates shall have a minimum height of one and one-half inches and a minimum width of nine-sixteenths inches, and shall have a minimum spacing between characters of three-sixteenths of an inch.
Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 859, Stats. 2000. Effective January 1, 2001.
Devices in Lieu of Plates
4853. The department may issue one or more stickers, tabs, or other suitable devices in lieu of the license plates provided for under this code. Except where the physical differences between the stickers, tabs, or devices and license plates by their nature render the provisions of this code inapplicable, all provisions of this code relating to license plates may apply to stickers, tabs, or devices.
Amended Ch. 889, Stats. 1973. Effective September 28, 1973.
General Powers
8800. (a) The department may suspend, cancel, or revoke the registration of a vehicle or a certificate of ownership, registration card, license plate, or permit under any of the following circumstances:
(1) When the department is satisfied that the registration or the certificate, card, plate,
or permit was fraudulently obtained or erroneously issued.
(2) When the department determines that a registered vehicle is mechanically unfit or unsafe to be operated or moved upon the highways.
(3) When a registered vehicle has been dismantled or wrecked.
(4) When the department determines that the required fee has not been paid and the same is not paid upon reasonable notice and demand.
(5) When a registration card, license plate, or permit is knowingly displayed upon a vehicle other than the one for which issued.
(6) When the registration could have been refused when last issued or renewed.
(7) When the department determines that the owner or legal owner has committed an offense under Sections 20 (with respect to an application for the registration of a vehicle), 4000, 4159 to 4163, inclusive, 4454, 4456, 4461, 4463, 5202, 10750, and 10751, involving the registration or the certificate, card, plate, or permit to be suspended, canceled, or revoked.
(8) When the department is so authorized pursuant to any other provision of law.
(b) The department may suspend the registration of all vehicles registered in the name of a person, under any of the following circumstances:
(1) When the United States Secretary of the Department of Transportation or his or her designee issues a lawful out-of-service order pursuant to Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(2) When the department suspends or revokes a motor carrier of property permit.
(3) When thePublic Utilities Commission suspends or revokes operating authority or private registration.
(c) A suspension imposed pursuant to subdivision (b) shall remain in effect and a vehicle for which registration has been suspended shall not be registered in the name of the person until the department verifies that person’s federal registration, federal operating authority, California operating authority, California private registration, or motor carrier of property permit is reissued.
Amended Sec. 3, Ch. 288, Stats. 2006. Effective January 1, 2007.
Duplicates: Fees
9265. Upon application for duplicates or substitutes as permitted under this code, the following fees shall be paid:
(a) For a duplicate certificate of ownership or registration card or equipment identification card.....$15
(b) For any duplicate license plates, except environmental license plates, or substitute plates, or equipment identification plate for the same vehicle.....$15
Amended Sec. 17, Ch. 719, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004.
VC 5200a or VC 5201 are the ones to pay attention to:
Display of License Plates
5200. (a) When two license plates are issued by the department for use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear.
(b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle, it shall be attached to the rear thereof , unless the license plate is issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5.
Amended Sec. 27, Ch. 594, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004.
Positioning of Plates
5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible. The rear license plate shall be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 60 inches from the ground, and the front license plate shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground, except as follows:
(a) The rear license plate on a tow truck may be mounted on the left-hand side of the mast assembly at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(b) The rear license plate on a tank vehicle hauling hazardous waste, as defined in Section 25117 of the Health and Safety Code, or asphalt material may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(c) The rear license plate on a truck tractor may be mounted at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, but not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(d) The rear license plate of a vehicle designed by the manufacturer for the collection and transportation of garbage, rubbish, or refuse that is used regularly for the collection and transportation of that material by any person or governmental entity employed to collect, transport, and dispose of garbage, rubbish, or refuse may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(e) The rear license plate on a two-axle livestock trailer may be mounted 12 inches or more, but not more than 90 inches, from the ground.
(f) A covering shall not be used on license plates except as follows:
(1) The installation of a cover over a lawfully parked vehicle to protect it from the weather and the elements does not constitute a violation of this subdivision. Any peace officer or other regularly salaried employee of a public agency designated to enforce laws, including local ordinances, relating to the parking of vehicles may temporarily remove so much of the cover as is necessary to inspect any license plate, tab, or indicia of registration on a vehicle.
(2) The installation of a license plate security cover is not a violation of this subdivision if the device does not obstruct or impair the recognition of the license plate information, including, but not limited to, the issuing state, license plate number, and registration tabs, and the cover is limited to the area directly over the top of the registration tabs. No portion of a license plate security cover shall rest over the license plate number.
A casing, shield, frame, border, product, or other device that obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate by an electronic device operated by state or local law enforcement, an electronic device operated in connection with a toll road, high-occupancy toll lane, toll bridge, or other toll facility, or a remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall not be installed on, or affixed to, a vehicle.
(h) (1) It is the intent of the Legislature that an accommodation be made to persons with disabilities and to those persons who regularly transport persons with disabilities, to allow the removal and relocation of wheelchair lifts and wheelchair carriers without the necessity of removing and reattaching the vehicle's rear license plate. Therefore, it is not a violation of this section if the reading or recognition of a rear license plate is obstructed or impaired by a wheelchair lift or wheelchair carrier and all of the following requirements are met:
(A) The owner of the vehicle has been issued a special identification license plate pursuant to Section 5007, or the person using the wheelchair that is carried on the vehicle has been issued a distinguishing placard under Section 22511.55.
(B) (i) The operator of the vehicle displays a decal, designed and issued by the department, that contains the license plate number assigned to the vehicle transporting the wheelchair.
(ii) The decal is displayed on the rear window of the vehicle, in a location determined by the department, in consultation with the Department of the California Highway Patrol, so as to be clearly visible to law enforcement.
(2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, if a decal is displayed pursuant to this subdivision, the requirements of this code that require the illumination of the license plate and the license plate number do not apply.
(3) The department shall adopt regulations governing the procedures for accepting and approving applications for decals, and issuing decals, authorized by this subdivision.
(4) This subdivision does not apply to a front license plate.
Amended Sec. 16, Ch. 1007, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000.
Amended Sec. 2, Ch. 626, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004.
Amended Sec. 6, Ch. 650, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005.
Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 273, Stats. 2007. Effective January 1, 2008.
Period of Display
5202. Every license plate issued by this State or any other jurisdiction within or without the United States shall remain attached during the period of its validity to the vehicle for which it is issued while being operated within this State or during the time the vehicle is being held for sale in this State, or until such time as a vehicle with special or identification plates is no longer entitled to such plates and no person shall operate, nor shall an owner knowingly permit to be operated, upon any highway any vehicle unless the license plate is so attached. Special permits issued in lieu of plates shall be attached and displayed on the vehicle for which issued during the period of their validity.
Plates Surrendered or Removed
5203. This chapter does not apply to plates which the department pursuant to law has ordered to be surrendered, transferred to another vehicle, or removed.
Issuance of Plates: Reflectorized Plates
4850. (a) The department, upon registering a vehicle, shall issue to the owner two partially or fully reflectorized license plates or devices for a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, and one partially or fully reflectorized license plate or device for all other vehicles required to be registered under this code. The plates or devices shall identify the vehicles for which they are issued for the period of their validity.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no contract shall be let to any nongovernmental entity for the purchase or securing of reflectorized material for the plates, unless the department has made every reasonable effort to secure qualified bids from as many independent, responsible bidders as possible. No contract shall be let to any nongovernmental entity for the manufacturing of reflectorized safety license plates.
(c) In addition to any other fees specified in this code, a fee of one dollar ($1) for reflectorization shall be paid only by those vehicle owners receiving license plates or devices under this section.
(d) This section does not require vehicle owners with nonreflectorized license plates or devices to replace them with reflectorized plates or devices.
(e) This section shall be known as the Schrade-Belotti Act.
Amended Ch. 679, Stats. 1985. Effective January 1, 1987. Display of Plates
4851. Every license plate shall have displayed upon it the registration number assigned to the vehicle for which it is issued, together with the word "California" or the abbreviation "Cal." and the year number for which it is issued or a suitable device issued by the department for validation purposes, which device shall contain the year number for which issued. Size of Plates
4852. (a) License plates issued for motor vehicles, other than motorcycles, shall be rectangular in shape, 12 inches in length and six inches in width. The number and letter characters on the plates shall have a minimum height of two and three-quarter inches, a minimum width of one and one-quarter inches, and a minimum spacing between characters of five-sixteenths of an inch.
(b) Motorcycle license plates shall measure seven inches in length and four inches in width, and the characters on the plates shall have a minimum height of one and one-half inches and a minimum width of nine-sixteenths inches, and shall have a minimum spacing between characters of three-sixteenths of an inch.
Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 859, Stats. 2000. Effective January 1, 2001.
Devices in Lieu of Plates
4853. The department may issue one or more stickers, tabs, or other suitable devices in lieu of the license plates provided for under this code. Except where the physical differences between the stickers, tabs, or devices and license plates by their nature render the provisions of this code inapplicable, all provisions of this code relating to license plates may apply to stickers, tabs, or devices.
Amended Ch. 889, Stats. 1973. Effective September 28, 1973.
General Powers
8800. (a) The department may suspend, cancel, or revoke the registration of a vehicle or a certificate of ownership, registration card, license plate, or permit under any of the following circumstances:
(1) When the department is satisfied that the registration or the certificate, card, plate,
or permit was fraudulently obtained or erroneously issued.
(2) When the department determines that a registered vehicle is mechanically unfit or unsafe to be operated or moved upon the highways.
(3) When a registered vehicle has been dismantled or wrecked.
(4) When the department determines that the required fee has not been paid and the same is not paid upon reasonable notice and demand.
(5) When a registration card, license plate, or permit is knowingly displayed upon a vehicle other than the one for which issued.
(6) When the registration could have been refused when last issued or renewed.
(7) When the department determines that the owner or legal owner has committed an offense under Sections 20 (with respect to an application for the registration of a vehicle), 4000, 4159 to 4163, inclusive, 4454, 4456, 4461, 4463, 5202, 10750, and 10751, involving the registration or the certificate, card, plate, or permit to be suspended, canceled, or revoked.
(8) When the department is so authorized pursuant to any other provision of law.
(b) The department may suspend the registration of all vehicles registered in the name of a person, under any of the following circumstances:
(1) When the United States Secretary of the Department of Transportation or his or her designee issues a lawful out-of-service order pursuant to Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(2) When the department suspends or revokes a motor carrier of property permit.
(3) When thePublic Utilities Commission suspends or revokes operating authority or private registration.
(c) A suspension imposed pursuant to subdivision (b) shall remain in effect and a vehicle for which registration has been suspended shall not be registered in the name of the person until the department verifies that person’s federal registration, federal operating authority, California operating authority, California private registration, or motor carrier of property permit is reissued.
Amended Sec. 3, Ch. 288, Stats. 2006. Effective January 1, 2007.
Duplicates: Fees
9265. Upon application for duplicates or substitutes as permitted under this code, the following fees shall be paid:
(a) For a duplicate certificate of ownership or registration card or equipment identification card.....$15
(b) For any duplicate license plates, except environmental license plates, or substitute plates, or equipment identification plate for the same vehicle.....$15
Amended Sec. 17, Ch. 719, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004.
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that's what we pay if it's a fine.
if the cops are in a good mood they will let u have a the $25 option to fix it or pay the $135.
If not, and they don't like u and ur comments.......... u get the fine only.
My buddy's lawyer got popped for it in his porsche while it was parked unattended downtown......by a meter maid. Now that sucks.
How could the state of CA be in a deficit with the amount of traffic violation fines and DMV fees alone?
Not gonna drill four holes into my front bumper, so I'll simply pay my $25 fine and cancel my 11-99 foundation membership.
Not gonna drill four holes into my front bumper, so I'll simply pay my $25 fine and cancel my 11-99 foundation membership.
i parked outside of Jtown, paid the meter, came out and got a ticket. no front plate. goddamn meter maids can eat me! this was about 10 years ago 
We need to go meter maid tippng
did you see on the news they changed this one area in SF to street sweeping once a month rather than 4 times a month. well the state started complaining that they are losing too much money in lost ticket revenue....boo hoo!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/22/BA8H177731.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea
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LoL, crazy shit. Maybe I need to move to Daly City or Pacifica instead.
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