Nissan vs. Nissan

[RaptorX]

Found this while surfing the net, you be the judge and decide who is right and who is wrong:
http://www.ncchelp.org/

I already drew my own conclusion and for anyone else who cares and wants to show support, please go here:
http://members.aol.com/raptorx96/boycott.jpg

Be sure to link it back to the first link.

Thanks all.

P.S. Even if you decide not to use the logo, please spread the word to everyone you know.

 

[Jeffry]

How are you going to boycott Nissan? They make good cars.....so irresistable

[This message has been edited by Jeffry (edited 03 August 2002).]

 

[nsxxtreme]

That is pretty messed up. If they failed to register the name and you are doing what you are saying you did, then it's there own fault. They should not be able to force you out. Just my $.02.

Regardless of who is better know they still have to play by the rules. Which big business has proven time and time again they don't like to do.

[This message has been edited by nsxxtreme (edited 03 August 2002).]

 

[RaptorX]

Originally posted by Jeffry:
How are you going to boycott Nissan? They make good cars.....so irresistable

Simple really.. don't buy from them. ;-)

There are many other 'good' car manufacturers out there that actually deserve the business. I'll stick with them.

 

[sjs]

The first link appears to be dead.

Besides, would you be willing to summarize for those of use who are lazy?

 

[Ojas]

Originally posted by sjs:
...would you be willing to summarize for those of use who are lazy?

Been going on for a while... Ever wonder why you are not taken to Nissan Motor Co's website when you go to www.nissan.com? This is why... (damn Nissan! You snooze, you lose - As simple as that).

From http://www.ncchelp.org/The_Story/the_story.htm :

Updates Below

My name is Uzi Nissan. I was born August 18, 1951, in Jerusalem, Israel. My father's last name was Nissan, his father's last name was Nissan, and so on. Nissan is a biblical term identifying the seventh month in the Hebrew calendar. The term Nissan also is Arabic for the month of April.
Click here to see supporting articles

I came to the US from Israel in 1976, and have used my surname for years to identify a number of business enterprises. The first was "Nissan Foreign Car Mobile Repair Service" in 1980.
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In December 1987, I started an import/export business known as "Nissan International, Ltd" At that time, Nissan Motor was not well known as Nissan, but primarily as "DATSUN". As with the earlier business, I chose to use Nissan in my business name because it was my last name.
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On May 14, 1991, "Nissan Computer Corp" was incorporated in the state of North Carolina. I was then, and still am, the company President. I have used Nissan as part of my trade name in connection with the sale of computer hardware, computer maintenance, installation, networking, computer training and other consulting services related to computers and computer networks.

On June 4, 1994, we registered the domain name "nissan.com" and created a web site to promote computer related products and services on the Internet.

Nissan Motor has been aware of our domain name and us since at least July of 1995, when I received a letter from the auto maker's senior legal counsel. The letter did not claim we were illegally using our domain name nor their trade name, but expressed only "concern" by our use of nissan.com. The letter requested further information in order to evaluate our web site. I chose not to respond because I believed it was clear we were a computer company and that there was no conflict. Nissan Motor's lawyer never contacted me again, confirming my belief that they had no valid concern about us.

In July of 1995, I obtained a service mark registration for Nissan and my logo from the State of North Carolina.
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On March 17, 1996, We registered the domain name nissan.net, and began offering Internet services, including dial-up connections and direct data connections to business.

Almost four years later, legal action was instituted by Nissan Motor seeking $10,000,000 and to restrain me from the use of my family name for business purposes on the Internet.

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ojaspatel.com/nsx

 

[JoeSchmoe]

Nissan Motor is evil!

This is clearly a case of corporate bullying tactics and if anything was due to the lack of insight by Nissan Motor to secure nissan.com when they had the chance. They missed the boat and now they are suing someone else over their own ignorance.

If anything, they should refund Nissan Computer all the legal fees incurred and offer the $10,000,000 to buy the domain name from Nissan Computer instead of sue them for it. If Nissan Computer loses, they should make as big a stink as possible or else we will see this kind of crap happening all over the place.

 

[flaminio]

Uzi Nissan is an idiot. NMC has the resources to bankrupt him. He should have negotiated an equitable selling price, and be done with it. Instead he's decided to be a hard-headed crybaby.

I own the domain flaminio.com. Like Uzi, it's been my last name all my life. I registered the domain in 1996. Now, if some corporation approached me and wanted the name (not entirely crazy -- there are several "Flaminio" named companies in Italy), I'd sell it -- for the right price. I like my domain, but I like $$$ even more.

-Bob ([email protected])

 

[RaptorX]

Uzi Nissan is NOT an idiot. The fact is, the Nissan Motor Company is TRYING to bankrupt him as that was their goal from the very beginning. Why? Because they have no legal grounds in their case against him. He did nothing wrong and this is clearly just another example of big companies bullying smaller companies. If you had bothered to read the details of this case, you would know that Nissan Motors did try to offer Mr. Nissan a deal - $75,000 if I'm not mistaken. Though you might have sold your domain (and name) for that, Mr. Nissan had no intention to do so and in fact, had every right not to. Also, negotiating a higher cost for the domain name is not a real option considering the laws passed by the government that prohibit such actions. I believe the term they use is 'squatting' and that is exactly what Nissan Motors accused Mr. Nissan of doing, though I believe they ruled in his favor. So just ask yourself one question: How would you like it if a company with the same last name you had decided that they want your domain address? Sure they put $20 on the table, but either you take it or they sue you for 'damages'. Think about it.

 

[milz50]

RaptorX,

I'm going to have to agree with flaminio.

Realize that I am not applauding Nissan Motors' Machiavellian tactics; I am merely saying that this had to have been the expected escalation.

Nissan Motors, it appears, was not 'trying to bankrupt him from the beginning'. They made a more than generous offer of 75K for a domain name. A domain name, which, if changed, would not materially affect the computer company's going concern.

Nissan Motors, it seems, was initially trying to be fair and now they are playing hardball. Right or wrong, it had to have been foreseeable.

Matt Miller (not the beer company)

 

[flaminio]

Originally posted by milz50:
Nissan Motors, it appears, was not 'trying to bankrupt him from the beginning'. They made a more than generous offer of 75K for a domain name. A domain name, which, if changed, would not materially affect the computer company's going concern.

Exactly right -- Uzi is a businessman. He should have weighed the two options presented: either sell his domain name and pocket some cash, or engage in a multimillion dollar lawsuit with one of the largest automakers on the planet. Which choice do you suppose was better for his customers? The stakeholders of his company? His family?

I agree that, on principle, Uzi is in the right. I agree that Nissan is being a big bully about it. But the bottom line is that Uzi let pride get in the way of good business sense.

$75,000, while not bad for a domain name, was just their opening offer. Had Uzi not been a jerk about it, he could have entered peaceful negotiations with their lawyers and talked them up, perhaps upwards to half a million or so. What are the laws against this that you speak of? It's simply the sale of an asset; I know of no laws that prevent two corporations from negotiating an equitable price. All those lawyers NMC are going to have to throw around will cost money; if they could have gotten out early for cheap, they would have. Uzi could then have reinvested the money into his business and built it bigger. Instead, he's going to end up bankrupt. Tell me again he's not an idiot.

Besides, even $75,000 could have bought him a new NSX...

-Bob

[This message has been edited by flaminio (edited 06 August 2002).]

 

[Michigan NSX]

Originally posted by flaminio:
...Besides, even $75,000 could have bought him a new NSX...

and thats all that really matters, in the end.