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I guess it will happen, but not anytime soon :frown: At least it's good to hear something about the NSX from official Honda higher-ups:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Articles/articleId=104443

Summary: Acura is working under the assumption that it will produce a next-generation version of its NSX flagship coupe — but perhaps not as soon as we might hope.

Full story: Acura will make a new version of its NSX, according to Thomas G. Elliott, executive vice president of automobile operations for American Honda. However, Elliott said in an interview during the media preview days for this month's North American International Auto Show in Detroit the NSX "is not [parent company Honda's] top priority."

"Not a priority" was also the phrase he used to describe the idea of building a $100,000 Acura. Next year the company will begin selling its newest sport-utility vehicle, which it previewed at the Detroit auto show as the RD-X prototype. The new SUV will be a 2007 model, and the next-generation NSX will follow it to showrooms.

What this means to you: Don't hold your breath waiting for the new NSX. With a chance to create a new, exotic, extremely expensive flagship — powered by a V8 engine instead of a V6 — expect conservative Honda to take its time and over-engineer it right.
 
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I think that is good news -- i guess.

With the new Lexus sports car and Skyline sceduled for 2007, I would guess that is when acura would debut the next NSX. (if if comes).

I really like this 4.0 V8 with 500+ HP. If they could use that, we would have a serious car to compete. Can you imagine a NSX-R with a v8 and 590 HP!!

Imagine how sweet the Best motoring video will be when the NSX-R and lambo get on the straight and the NSX-R leaves it in the dust :biggrin:
 
NetViper said:
Can you imagine a NSX-R with a v8 and 590 HP!!
Imagine how sweet the Best motoring video will be when the NSX-R and lambo get on the straight and the NSX-R leaves it in the dust :biggrin:
I'm pretty sure that by the time the NSX-R has 590 HP even the weakest lambo would have about 700 HP (must be around the year 2010 I guess). :wink:
 
NSX-Racer said:
I'm pretty sure that by the time the NSX-R has 590 HP even the weakest lambo would have about 700 HP (must be around the year 2010 I guess). :wink:


Heh....got to admit it's great to be living in the second age of musclecars.
 
Personally, I'd like to see Mr. Elliott even less enthusiastic about his company's halo car. Not only do we have the opportunity to buy Acura's most expensive car but we also get treated to apathetic hints and indirect comments about it's future. Viva la NSX! :rolleyes:

Isn't this guy saying sayanora soon and retiring?
 
Sounds like Mr. Elliot "passion" is in SUVs and and not sports cars. He is more interested in volume vehicles. I hope Sochiro's passion lives on with the current Honda CEO Fukui. I suspect that he may have been instrumental in killing the HSC due to its sub-par engine and luke warm styling. 2007 is fine, bring on the street version of the Mugen MFS408 V8 engine.
 
Ponyboy said:
Personally, I'd like to see Mr. Elliott even less enthusiastic about his company's halo car. Not only do we have the opportunity to buy Acura's most expensive car but we also get treated to apathetic hints and indirect comments about it's future. Viva la NSX! :rolleyes:

Well put, these guys float trail ballons like political officals. For once I would like to see an official statement Acura where its tangeable.
 
Acura is not going to be left out with the rest of the industry. They will make the new NSX....I guess they want to release it in 2008 (since the number 8 is considered good luck in Asia). It will probably be something that will last another 16 years :)
 
Engel07 said:
Acura is not going to be left out with the rest of the industry. They will make the new NSX....I guess they want to release it in 2008 (since the number 8 is considered good luck in Asia). It will probably be something that will last another 16 years :)
The #8 is not considered good luck in Asia. The #8 thing was only started in Hong Kong by some superstitious people for their license plates since it rhyms with the character "fa" which means prosper.
Steve
 
Juice said:
Am I the only one who feels that they should kill the NSX in the meantime?
They should have killed the NSX long time ago. The NSX was a butt-kicking milestone car in its time in the 90's. Killing it early on would have kept that legacy. By draaaaaaging it on way into the 2000's when the auto industry have advanced so so much, the current NSX is simply an embarrassment when everyone else is making 300+ hp cars under $40k. I am a diehard NSX fan with my third NSX. As much as I love it, I think it is way passed its prime. Can you imagine if today Ferrari is still selling the Testarossa in its original form as its flagship?
Steve
 
I think it is good that they are still producing NSX's. It means parts will be around longer and fresh cars in their classic form will be around much longer...imagine picking up a nice 2004 NSX for 40 grand in about 8 years. What a nice car you'd have.
 
chumch said:
imagine picking up a nice 2004 NSX for 40 grand in about 8 years. What a nice car you'd have.

Yes, and some members here (e.g. from Chicago) could then start to think about participating in the german "Youngtimer" trophy with their '91 NSX because in 2016 it will match the rules (at least 25 years old). And in 2021 you could get a "historic" licence plate with reduced tax and insurance rates here :biggrin:
 
Juice - you're right on - take the current car off the market.

For some reason, the NSX has long been the black sheep at Honda. Over the past 15 years the mid-engine V8 Ferrari, Porsche 911 and Corvette have all gone through 3 complete generations while the NSX has hardly changed at all. Between 1991 and 2005, base Corvette HP increased from 245 to 400, with a 500 HP Z06 on the way this year. Ferrari HP increased by nearly 200, along with terrific innovations such as the F1 transmissions. And Mercedes, BMW, Audi and now Cadillac have all up-ed their offerings by huge leaps since 1991. Consider that the new M5 – with a 500+ HP V10, 8250 RPM redline and 7-speed F1-style transmission - is about the same price as the NSX.

But forget all of this; let’s look at Honda’s own products in comparison to the NSX. The S2000 revs higher and has a higher specific output. The TL, RSX and TSX have iVTEC (3-stage) whereas the NSX still uses the original 15-year old VTEC system. Many Honda products including the Odyssey minivan have available navigation systems, and the RL has Bluetooth and 5.1 surround sound. Why not fit these accessories to the NSX – a car that doesn’t even have an in-dash CD player? Perhaps most embarrassing of all is the 4-speed automatic transmission option that requires a de-tuned 252 HP engine. Good God. MB has an automatic that handles the 600+ HP of the CL/SL65. Honda’s automatics in the TL and RL are both 5-speeds and clearly handle more than 252 HP.

So why doesn’t Honda improve the NSX with the technology it already has in hand? The NSX is not Honda’s technology leader anymore – nor its HP leader. So it’s not even a matter of the NSX matching the competition when Honda won’t even give it its own best technology. In a couple of years, will the Odyssey outpower the NSX? The RL already has and the TL is pretty close.

It’s time (actually, its many years overdue) for Honda to retire the NSX from production – the market has practically done this already as Honda sells about 5 NSX’s a month as of late. Like a boxer that refuses to retire, it is now just a sad sight. The NSX was without a doubt the best sports car in the early 90’s. Honda needed to either retire then or improve. The NSX went from worlds best, to world-class, to contender, to unranked. I haven’t seen a recent article on the NSX that doesn’t use terms like “long in the tooth”, “underpowered”, “outgunned”, “worst HP/$ ratio of all cars on the market today”, etc. Again, like the boxer that stayed in the game too long, what should have been a great legacy is now tarnished.

The companies that are committed to their products usually also have commercial success. In the early 90’s, GM brass considered killing off the Corvette – it was losing money. The reason was simple – it was an inferior product and required significant investment to make competitive. Even GM, probably the dumbest auto maker on the planet in the 90’s, figured that out. Since it launched the C5, GM sells over 35,000 Corvettes per year. The C6 is already outselling the C5. With 35,000 units a year, the Corvette rings up about $1.5 billion in annual sales for GM – most likely at a premium profit margin. Ferrari F360 sales ring-up nearly $500,000 per year. Honda rings up maybe $25m per year in NSX sales – so of course it is a money loosing operation.

As for Honda leapfrogging the competition with the NSX-II in a few years time – I don’t see that as a realistic possibility. The competition already has a big lead in terms of engine, transmission, aerodynamics, brakes, stability control, etc. And there is no doubt that the C7, Fxxx, next-gen 911 are already under development.

I have two NSX’s in my garage; which I will likely keep for a long time to come. However, my next new sports car will be from a manufacturer committed to constantly improving their product. Loyalty goes two ways. Customers are highly loyal to a company like Ferrari because Ferrari is loyal to them – giving them products that require no excuses. Same with the Corvette and 911. Same with BMW, current styling not withstanding. And same with Honda for the millions that buy Accords and Odysseys.

It’s a great shame that, IMO, Honda has let us down – because I love the NSX formula. And it goes beyond improving the car. I don’t recall seeing Honda/Acura at NSXPO 04 – where they there, did they sponsor anything? How hard would have it been for Acura to bring the most loyal customers of its most expensive product some new RL’s, TL’s and RSX’s to test drive at NSXPO? Or even to put on display? Clearly, the NSX and us NSX owners aren’t very important, or so it seems. Can you image Ferrari not showing up at the national gathering of its Enzo owners?

As for Mr. Elliot's comments - he has been promising a new NSX since for a long time - I have clipped at least a dozens since 1998 that promise a new NSX is just 2 or 3 years away – a few with his quotes. I can post them if anyone is interested. Obviously, they have all gone unfulfilled.

It seems highly unlikely that a new NSX will to show up in less than 4 or 5 years. And in 4 or 5 years, will the market care, or will it be another commercial flop for Honda?

JMO. But let the flames begin.
 
TC,

No flames here. I totally agree. The current car should at least have a 3.5 L V6 with 380HP in it by now! It is embarassing that the RL has more HP. Whoever was incharge of the NSX just fell asleep and never woke up. I love the car to death, but it is time for it to go away OR it is time for a MAJOR update that will bring it back to life. The sad thing is that it really would not take much to make the car extremely competitive again.
 
whiteNSXs said:
The #8 is not considered good luck in Asia. The #8 thing was only started in Hong Kong by some superstitious people for their license plates since it rhyms with the character "fa" which means prosper.
Steve
8 is still considered lucky throughout most asian contries.
 
TC,
Very well written post, I couldn't agree with you more on everything you said. I have had a '94, a '00 and presently a '03 NSX. I've been an NSX enthusiast for a long time but I am so disgusted waiting for the next NSX that now I feel I've been wasting my time. So I'm jumping ship and am on the wait list for a F430, the next logical step up from an NSX and the only car on the market that will make me happy. It is everything the NSX should be by now: 490hp, similar weight, hi-tech suspension adjustability, 12 sec quarter-mile times, great styling and engine sound, etc. Unfortunately, the dealer says it will probably be around 3 years before my name comes up, even when I put my name on the wait list about half a year ago. But at least that will probably be sooner than when the next generation NSX comes out, that is if there is one.
 
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They don't need to discontinue the NSX, just take it out of the US Market. Cars like the RX7 were alive and well in Japan after it was discontinued in the US market. The NSX is still very much sought after in Japan.
 
NetViper said:
TC,

No flames here. I totally agree. The current car should at least have a 3.5 L V6 with 380HP in it by now! It is embarassing that the RL has more HP. Whoever was incharge of the NSX just fell asleep and never woke up. I love the car to death, but it is time for it to go away OR it is time for a MAJOR update that will bring it back to life. The sad thing is that it really would not take much to make the car extremely competitive again.

I agree with both of you.

TC your very clever analysis should be printed and send directly on the desk of Honda CEO.



This is a shame and I can't figure how Honda can still offer today a 290 hp supercar. If they stick to the idea of letting the NSX alive they must offer at least a 350 hp engine.

The sadest thing is about the fact we all know Honda could make a real supercar ( just read about the Mugen 4L V8 @ 590 hp !!! IOW 147,5 hp/L - Now I know that I was conservative when pretending Honda could play in the 130-140 hp/L league! ).

I am almost sure there will be another NSX ( wathever its new name... ) but what I'm not sure at all is how serious Honda will be involved...

Please Honda, all the world is waiting for another NSX...and hoping you will make it evolve and keep it on the top of its class...

And this is everything but a money question...
 
I wonder if this signifies the beginning of the demise of Honda. They seem to be unwilling or unable to invest in new products that will out-compete the market. Or to make tough decisions to kill aging products.

As a Honda lover with 3 Hondas in my garage, I am beginning to feel that Honda is letting its buyers down. I don't want to look to Honda just for daily, mundane transport such as the Accords and MDXs. I need Honda to inspire me again with new products that are highly attractive on the premium end.

With South Korea and Chinese manufacturers getting or planning to get traction in the US for daily, affordable, reliable transport, Honda needs to differentiate itself with desirable premium products, or it will go the way of the dinosaur.
 
RyRy210 said:
They don't need to discontinue the NSX, just take it out of the US Market. Cars like the RX7 were alive and well in Japan after it was discontinued in the US market. The NSX is still very much sought after in Japan.

Over 60% of all new NSX's produced are purchased in the US - 223 out of 364 in 2003 (http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=660#). Total NSX's sold in the US in 2004 was 168, out of 256 WW. The NSX may be sought after in Japan, but like in the US, it's by a very small, very enthuiastic group of people. Take the US production out of the equation and NSX WW production would fall to 1 or 2 units per month.
 
CChung said:
TC,
Very well written post, I couldn't agree with you more on everything you said. I have had a '94, a '00 and presently a '03 NSX. I've been an NSX enthusiast for a long time but I am so disgusted waiting for the next NSX that now I feel I've been wasting my time. So I'm jumping ship and am on the wait list for a F430...

Thanks for the comment and God bless you on the F430. This car is also the object of my desire. With luck and some overtime at work, I hope to also make the leap to Ferrari.
 
RyRy210 said:
They don't need to discontinue the NSX, just take it out of the US Market. Cars like the RX7 were alive and well in Japan after it was discontinued in the US market. The NSX is still very much sought after in Japan.

Do you think now that the HP agreement in Japan has been lifted that the NSX will get a boost in 2006? That would be awesome. If it is truly desired in Japan, then they should want to improve it.

I think it is sad you can get a 300HP WRX STI for 30K and yet a 90K NSX still only has 290. Surely Honda wants to be the best in their native land???
 
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