Liddell vs. Sobral UFC 62

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Chuck Liddell vs. Renato Sobral UFC 62.
 
I couldn't sleep last night I was so upset over that fight. I have no idea what Babalu was thinking, charging after Chuck like that with his arms wide and his chin exposed. Liddell saw the opening and took it...lights out. The Griffin-Bonnar fight was anti-climactic, Forrest has improved so drastically that he handled Stephan in short order. Nick Diaz and Hermes Franca fought exceptionally well in their bouts, and Cheick Kongo will be getting a rushed heavyweight title shot, i'm sure of it. Good event.
 
Wow, uh WTF? Did Babalu really think he would punch out Chuck? He really should have stuck to BJJ, even if Chuck has a great take down defense it would have been a lot better than getting your head pounded in....again.
 
Yeah Sobral is a dude who hasn't won via striking since a KO by a kick way back in 2000. All his fights since then have been won via submission or decision. What the heck was he thinking?

Chuck looked good though, his striking while moving backwards when being charged is very good. He got Randy Couture real good when he was moving back. I really hope the Silva fight materializes. Tito hasn't looked very good but his shot at Liddell again is deserved because he got a nasty thumb in the eye during their last fight and that played a huge factor in him getting ko'd. If Chuck has to fight in a Pride ring like he against Silva, I think he's gonna take a beating. He needs the UFC cage to get back up.
 
Malibu Rapper said:
He needs the UFC cage to get back up.
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Good point man, Chuck is so dominant not just because of his takedown defense, but also because of his ability to pop right back up. He always manages to keep it standing and continue striking. From what I hear, the fight w/ Wanderlei is on life support.

Jon
 
TurboLexus said:
Good point man, Chuck is so dominant not just because of his takedown defense, but also because of his ability to pop right back up. He always manages to keep it standing and continue striking. From what I hear, the fight w/ Wanderlei is on life support.
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I don't think a lot of UFC fans saw when they sent Chuck to go compete in Pride. He was nearly taken out by Overeem but got a great punch in to take that fight. But he was somewhat lucky. Then when he fought Rampage he got taken down and stayed down. Tried to use the ropes but that's not allowed. The replays that they show on FSN cut short a lot of the beating he took while on his back, it was brutal.

Silva v. Liddell is what all the fans want to see and hopefully this fight will bring it back into focus. But the Pride Final Conflict event looks like it's gonna be a good one with Vanderlei taking on Mirko Crocop. Vanderlei could easily get taken out and I think if he does, the chances of a Liddell fight get worse.
 
Did anyone watch Pride on Sunday? I Tivo'd it, hope it was good.
 
Chuck is UFC's poster boy, and Wanderlei is Pride's. I don't think they want to risk having their star lose to another fighter. The people in the US do not know of Pride enough to make this a worthwhile (profit-wise) fight.

Personally I think Wanderlei can beat chuck, as can Mirko... not taking anything away from chuck.

Pride fighters are better in general. I don't see anyone in the UFC that can come close to beating Fedor. Other than their few top guys like Chuck, Randy, hughes, etc... all the rest of the UFC fighters are really not of the caliber of the guys you see in pride.

Even the UFC rules with the short time limits, and all the various striking rules, seem designed to give the lesser oponent a fighting chance. Zuffa is making a killing... paying the fighters next to nothing because they really aren't proven and selling it all on PPV.
 
TURBO2GO said:
Zuffa is making a killing...
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And yet they claim to have not seen a profit yet :rolleyes:
Didn't know you were an MMA fan TURBO.
 
TURBO2GO said:
Chuck is UFC's poster boy, and Wanderlei is Pride's. I don't think they want to risk having their star lose to another fighter. The people in the US do not know of Pride enough to make this a worthwhile (profit-wise) fight.
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Chuck already took a beating when he went to Pride. That just showed case and point how much better the Pride fighters are. But talk to most UFC fans and they haven't even seen the fight.

Pride fighters are better in general. I don't see anyone in the UFC that can come close to beating Fedor. Other than their few top guys like Chuck, Randy, hughes, etc... all the rest of the UFC fighters are really not of the caliber of the guys you see in pride.

Even the UFC rules with the short time limits, and all the various striking rules, seem designed to give the lesser oponent a fighting chance. Zuffa is making a killing... paying the fighters next to nothing because they really aren't proven and selling it all on PPV.
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Fedor is a bad man. One thing that real MMA fans agree on is that the Japanese have a better appreciation of the sport. I doubt UFC can put on events like they do in Saitama with around 50000 fans. Even Pride's announcers are better. I'm so tired of hearing Joe repeating the words "freakish power" and "cerebral." El Guapo on the other hand makes all the right calls.
 
I was there in Vegas , wish it would have lasted longer ,
however all the bouts were pretty good ,
the after party was kick at the Vodoo Lounge :cool:
anybody heading to Anaheim ? Hughes v Penn ..
 
TurboLexus said:
And yet they claim to have not seen a profit yet :rolleyes:
Didn't know you were an MMA fan TURBO.
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Yeah thats funny... he is making money....

I know what these guys get paid. I mean no offense to any of the up and coming fighters.... I think these guys work hard and deserve a shot... but having them on PPV because they won a few fights in small town backyard fights and a reality show does not make them the caliber of fighter that you see in Boxing PPV for example or the MMA guys in Pride or even K1.

Diego Sanchez is all the rage now and I think the guy is talented... but throw him into the ring with Wanderlei Silva, he ain't walking out. Mirko Cro-Cop would send him out on a stretcher. And in the UFC, Diego's next shot here may be a title shot.

The UFC is really exploiting people's lack of knowledge about MMA and making money.

I mean how can you compare this guy:

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To this guy:

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TurboLexus, I started training BJJ when I saw Royce cleaning house so that got me interested. I am surprised of seeing guys on here not only interested but so knowledgable about MMA.
 
Malibu Rapper said:
Chuck already took a beating when he went to Pride. That just showed case and point how much better the Pride fighters are. But talk to most UFC fans and they haven't even seen the fight.

Fedor is a bad man. One thing that real MMA fans agree on is that the Japanese have a better appreciation of the sport. I doubt UFC can put on events like they do in Saitama with around 50000 fans. Even Pride's announcers are better. I'm so tired of hearing Joe repeating the words "freakish power" and "cerebral." El Guapo on the other hand makes all the right calls.
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Exactly!!
 
You're not too far away TURBO, we'll have to roll one day. My skill lies in striking, i'm not very good on the ground.
Comparing Fedor to Silvia? Yeah, that's a joke, and I agree with everything said re: Pride, but UFC does have some talent. Malibu said a Pride event in Saitama was ~ 50,000 ppl, didn't know this....the UFC PPV events recently have been 13,000-20,000 ppl as best as I remember, so that tells you who's running the 'big show.' No doubt though that a larger percentage of the Japanese population have an appreciation for the sport compared to the U.S. ......too many ppl over here that are Arturo Gatti fans :rolleyes: .

Jon

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Just watched Liddell-Jackson again since Malibu posted it and it's been awhile. Here's my observations:
1. Rampage counterpunching the counterpuncher.
2. Rampage's defense and movement excellent, his jabs quicker than Chuck's.
3. Rampage took Chuck's big right, as well as his uppercut.
4. Rampage looked to have stunned Chuck on 4 separate occasions. Unbelievable.
5. Rampage took Chuck down 3 times, Chuck also grabbed the ropes on one takedown.
6. Chuck looked gassed midway through the 1st.
7. Chuck mounted @ the end, we all know what that means.
8. Chuck took a real beating on the ground, didn't notice before that he yelled out in pain from one of Quinton's elbows to the body.
9. Total domination.
 
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TurboLexus said:
Yeah, that's a joke, and I agree with everything said re: Pride, but UFC does have some talent. Malibu said a Pride event in Saitama was ~ 50,000 ppl, didn't know this....the UFC PPV events recently have been 13,000-20,000 ppl as best as I remember, so that tells you who's running the 'big show.' No doubt though that a larger percentage of the Japanese population have an appreciation for the sport compared to the U.S. ......too many ppl over here that are Arturo Gatti fans :rolleyes: .
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Yeah not just 50,000 people in the arena but 50,000 appreciative fans. Strikers are fun to watch and fans here want a stand up match and boo if they see anything else. Fans in Japan actually understand the heel hooks, armbars and chokes and gasp and cheer those on. I meet with Rampage every now and again and he says the fans over there are crazy about the fighters. Big ole Bob Sapp was actually one of the biggest media icons a few years ago when he was doing a lot of Pride.

Yes, UFC does have some talent. Rich Franklin and St. Pierre are my favorite guys to watch there. Hughes is good too but I'm not completely sold on his pound for pound status. But like TURBO2GO said, they are selling a bunch of crap fights and people are scooping it up. Did anyone see TUF4 last night? I couldn't believe they were letting them show all that blood and it didn't get stopped.
 
Yeah you see two people in pride on the ground and the crowd is silent... and cheers when there is a close submission. They know their stuff. I went to a UFC event at Mohegan Sun to watch my friend fight, and it was a bunch of boos and beers being thrown because there was not enough "action". I thought those days had long passed, but I guess not.

One of the worst things I saw was when Helio Gracie was in the octagon receiving some kind of award and you couldn't even hear the announcer over the boos and jeers of the crowd waiting to see some blood.

Here is a guy that had a pivotal role in MMA as we know it today... like him or not... a little respect would have been nice to see.

I just watched that video again... I never get over that ridiculous thing they do in Japan where they have 2-3 of these little Japanese guys run into the ring, grab the fighters in various places, drag them to the center, and tell them to start again... LOL... they really need a better solution...
 
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TurboLexus said:
You're not too far away TURBO, we'll have to roll one day. My skill lies in striking, i'm not very good on the ground.
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I am the opposite. So if you are in the area ever, let me know. we can trade some tips. :smile:
 
Malibu Rapper said:
I meet with Rampage every now and again and he says the fans over there are crazy about the fighters.
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He also said he still gets mistaken for Gary Goodridge alot :)



Malibu Rapper said:
Did anyone see TUF4 last night? I couldn't believe they were letting them show all that blood and it didn't get stopped.
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Dewees' head was spurting like a lawn sprinkler, similar to Yves' Edwards when he fought Joe Stevenson. For a non-PPV event, I was also surprised they didn't stop it. No medical danger but it does promote the 'bloodsport' image to the uninformed. Tough freakin' kid, kept bringing it like he did when he fought Franklin.

TURBO, Helio definitely deserves some respect, after all he's the guy Kimura invented the Kimura on :smile: (have very short highlight clips from their 1st bout in Brazil in '51, and of the rematch). Seriously, the Gracie's brought BJJ to America and set up the UFC. Yes, the Ultimate Fighting Championship was designed as a showcase for Gracie Jiu Jitsu, but there 'was no fix' as Royce has been known to say. The ropes in general are my main issue with Pride, hate when they reposition them...was talking about the same thing in a thread on Supraforums. Suprised I haven't seen you on there, we've had some of the same cars you n' me. We can meet up one day to trade bruises, um, tips....i'm pretty out of shape since getting married (she indulges me too much) so you've got a great chance of shooting in and trying that far-side Kimura on me :wink: .

Jon
 
Whoa...go Mirko.
 

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