Lexus LF-A (GT 450/500) - Japan's first true exotic?

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came across an article in the R&T that talked about future sports cars from Japan and that's how they described the Lexus "Lexus LF-A (GT 450/500) - Japan's first true exotic?"

So - does that mean the NSX is "Japan's first fake exotic" - I always viewed the NSX as a true exotic so as others - I wish I could send the editor a nasty note regarding that sentence
 
CL65 Captain said:
Well in all fairness.... V10 & 500 hp. trumps our V6. The thing sounds like a Lambo Guiardo.

It's Gallardo, and I agree with you. No big deal -- just depends on how you define exotic. I'd save that time writting that nasty letter and put it to better pursuits -- like driving.
 
CL65 Captain said:
Well in all fairness.... V10 & 500 hp. trumps our V6. The thing sounds like a Lambo Guiardo.

Well but with that reasoning does that mean old Ferraris are not exotic? The NSX has been called Japans first exotic supercar since it was released. R&T editor probably just got excited over horsepower was all. I mean what will they say next..that the NSX replacement is HONDA's first supercar? The NSX has alway's proven its true worth at the track.
 
If Toyota sells that thing for $170,000 they're in trouble...Honda had a hard enough time moving cars at 80K. More power doesn't mean diddly. The NSX was FAR more exotic looking relative to the field when it came out.

Brand names start to come into play above 100K. Aston Martin = luxury. Lexus = yuppie middle class success. Acura = ?? (they have never even achieved the status of Lexus) Honda has a leg up the 2nd time around because people DO respect the NSX and have proven they can put out a fantastic car. They'll be able to move units if they want to. I've said it before: Honda failed the NSX, not vice-versa. But selling the next NSX over 110K is suicide.

Anyway...I don't like the look at all. It's kind of caught in the middle between exotic sports car and luxury coupe. It's exotic, and so was/is the NSX. The Lexus is not the first exotic. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Just the most powerful Japanese car ever.

They'll have the reliability factor but I really don't think ANYONE who spends 170K gives a darn about reliablilty. At all. Or at least as long as there's some shred of warranty on the car so that when stuff starts to fall off they'll patch it back together (even the Gallardo has a 2 yr 24K warranty)

For the same reason, Honda is dead if they sell the new NSX over 100-110K. Look at what your customer base is.

This car will not have the race purity of the NSX. I don't know, but to me I'd MUCH rather have a DB9 and I can get it for 60K less.

JMHO
 
WingZ said:
Well but with that reasoning does that mean old Ferraris are not exotic? The NSX has been called Japans first exotic supercar since it was released. R&T editor probably just got excited over horsepower was all. I mean what will they say next..that the NSX replacement is HONDA's first supercar? The NSX has alway's proven its true worth at the track.

Exotics are exotic because of the times they exist. You can find some sedans that can out perform old ferraris. Look at the way people complain the nsx is slow now. It's not that it is, it's just there are a lot of cars faster. It all depends how you look at it
 
NSXGMS said:
They'll have the reliability factor but I really don't think ANYONE who spends 170K gives a darn about reliablilty. At all. Or at least as long as there's some shred of warranty on the car so that when stuff starts to fall off they'll patch it back together (even the Gallardo has a 2 yr 24K warranty)
JMHO

Since reliability is off the table, I can get a lot more performance and bling for my 170K.

IMO, aside from bling- one of the primary compelling advantages to pony up that kind of cash for a high end exotic is to obtain what cannot otherwise be obtained otherwise through the conventional aftermarket- factory backed performance, tuning, support, and reliability.

Just because you have 170K to spend on a car, does not automatically mean you have a further 25K a year to spend to keep it running, cost aside nor should it mean you should have to accept large sums of down-time waiting for parts or service via their limited dealer networks. I can have that on my own with a real race car all day long, so who's working for who here?

If Audi still only feels the engine and power train in their Gallardo is good for about 24K miles of factory backed coverage or Ferrari feels 24K/Unlimited should be considered the top end of coverage for their customers tooling around town in their 360's, all other excuses aside as an informed consumer that should probably tell me something about their engineering design priorities, and the degree of confidence they themselves place in their own product.

24K, most motorcycles have better warranties than that. In fact, their are de-tuned race cars that have been offered with more. 24K is about 6 months for me on a daily driver... this brings me back to the Pulp stories on those 355's... hmm, extended warranty anyone? :biggrin:
 
Nsxdemon81 said:
Exotics are exotic because of the times they exist. You can find some sedans that can out perform old ferraris. Look at the way people complain the nsx is slow now. It's not that it is, it's just there are a lot of cars faster. It all depends how you look at it

Actually doesn't exotic mean rare? Exotic doesn't depend on speed either. A new Z06 isn't being called an exotic by any stretch of the imagination and it's fast. Plenty of sedans nowadays outperform Ferraris ,but no one ever says that makes a the sedan an exotic.:wink:
 
VampNSX said:
for that price every one would just get a lambo. or a NSX and a Viper.

Two NSXs, one for the wife, one for my self... or two for myself since I'm single:biggrin:
 
Never forget its a magazine guys, they get paid to sell...sensationalism sells, first true exotic sounds better then just another japanese exotic. Every car nut who has been around will know that the NSX arguably holds that title of being first. :biggrin:
 
Will be interesting if Toyota sells a car like this, even at lower $$$. It's way too conservative for an exotic supercar and brand is most important in this price region. I think that the FL-A (what a name :() is a little toy for Toyota managers as a fringe benefit. :D
The NSX had the same problem when it came out: Most people here were willing to buy such a beautiful NSX-shapped car for this price BUT they would have never spent it on a HONDA.
If Toyota looses some millions of $ with this car it's not a desaster for the (now?) biggest and most profitable car manufacturer in the world. They WILL loose money with this car, that's sure but much more important for Toyota is that this car HAS TO BE reliable.
When Honda brought the NSX to the market THAT was a REAL CHALLANGE and RISK as Honda is quite small compared to Toyota. I would even say that the NSX was a pure IMAGE-PROJECT. But that's just how it was in the past: Honda sporty, Toyota ?
 
WingZ said:
Actually doesn't exotic mean rare? Exotic doesn't depend on speed either. A new Z06 isn't being called an exotic by any stretch of the imagination and it's fast. Plenty of sedans nowadays outperform Ferraris ,but no one ever says that makes a the sedan an exotic.:wink:


Being rare of course helps, but just because it's rare doesn't mean it's exotic. I don't think a Delorean is considered an exotic, at least it's not to my knowledge but it is rare, or how about NSXs I see one every day, oh wait that's just mine:biggrin:
 
Nsxdemon81 said:
Being rare of course helps, but just because it's rare doesn't mean it's exotic. I don't think a Delorean is considered an exotic, at least it's not to my knowledge but it is rare, or how about NSXs I see one every day, oh wait that's just mine:biggrin:


LoL
 
I am sure there is a definition somewhere of what makes a car "exotic" - to me it is the following that defines exotic


- the car is produced as a limited production car
- mid-engine
- uses different materials from regular cars such as aluminum, carbon fibre, titanium, etc...
- power is very subjective because it really depends on the time of when the car was produced - it's like saying the Ferrari 328 is not exotic because it's V8 is not producing 400 hp

At the end of the day, I did not buy the NSX because it was labelled as an exotic - I bought it because it is a reliable / daily driver / mid-engine pure sports car that will not rust or break down on a regular basis

That statement on the Lexus just bugged me - that's all
 
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