Less evil after alignment

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Well, I finally got the car aligned before going to Sebring yesterday.

The "before" alignment was pretty off. Camber was -.5 L/F, +0.1 R/F. At least rear camber was close, -1.4 L, -1.3 rear.

Toe was goofy: -.43 degrees L/F, -.20 R/F. Rear had OK amounts both sides toe in, .13 and .14 degrees.

In this configuration the car was oversteery on right-handers, although I would have to say I don't understand why. I would think the toe out front would have it LESS so, but maybe with the L/F camber being high (relative to the R/F) it offset the toe. Whatever.

I set it conservatively, with -0.7 camber front and -1.3 rear. Toe was set to .22 degrees out front and same amount in rear.

It was much more settled and I was indeed faster with more confidence. There was one fairly large moment entering lefthand turn one (approach 110MPH, turn in about 75, carry 75-85 through the turn) where for some reason the tail started to go away. Nothing too dramatic, but that's not a turn where you'd want a problem as oversteering to the inside means hitting a concrete wall, and running out of room at the exit means dirt for about 30 feet before hitting a concrete wall. No worries, though, as it was a safe day all around.

I still can't quite get up to the 85 MPH in that turn I do in my Miata. I'm still getting used to the NSX and I'm sure the tires I use on the Miata, Kumho V700, are better. Next will be to buy a stickier set (the ones I have are starting to get old and aren't the stickiest in the world, but they came with the car's OEM wheels and still have plenty of tread left, Yoko Advan-032R. I know they're not the optimum tire).

Anyways, a little embarrassing is the fact that pulling in to one of the covered pits I traversed a grassy area and didn't notice it had a dip large enough to cause a problem. I knocked the front air dam loose, without knowing it. After taking my student around for orientation laps, the chief steward stopped me and handed me the plug for the tie-down in the front. And some grass. And asked me about how I went off during full-course yellow laps. I had to explain that I didn't go off on course. I was teased for going off during yellow laps all day, even though I hadn't.

I removed the splitter and went out for my session. At speed, the passenger side inner fender liner came loose and was rubbing against the tire. Black/meatball flag for me. I had to come in and cut away the liner. It was destroyed.

At least when I got home I was able to re-affix the air dam, but I do need a new fender liner. Anyone know a good source (read: cheap)?

Overall, had a good time yesterday as the only NSX chasing down Mustangs at the SVT Owner's Association track day at Sebring.
 
VintageracerNYC said:
what were your lap times at Sebring? Was it the full/ long course?

Long course, and as far as times, I wish I knew. Haven't had a chance to time myself yet in the NSX. I'm sure they're not very fast as I tend to "leave a lot out there", wanting to drive the car home in the same condition I arrived.
 
Dial in a lot more negative camber when you get the sticky tires or they won't hook up like you expect. I have RA-1's and they are just starting to bite well with -2 degrees front and -2.6 degrees rear. I like 0.1 degrees toe out in the front and the same in the rear, the car feels more settled under threshold braking. My 2 cents...
 
titaniumdave said:
Dial in a lot more negative camber when you get the sticky tires or they won't hook up like you expect. I have RA-1's and they are just starting to bite well with -2 degrees front and -2.6 degrees rear. I like 0.1 degrees toe out in the front and the same in the rear, the car feels more settled under threshold braking. My 2 cents...

Thanks for the info.

The Yoko's are already ostensibly sticky (they're R-compound), but admittedly, they're not all that sticky.

I don't want to go any more negative in the rear (-1.3) and in the front the technician said all he could get was -.7 on the right side, so he set both sides to that. I was surprised that's all he was able to get in the front. It's a stock suspension, and the car has never had any impacts that I am aware of.

Anyways, it was certainly driveable the way it was. I'm not going out for all-out record lap times, just trying to maximize tire wear and have the car stable and reasonably quick. I do use it on the street.

Thanks again for your feedback.
 
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