Koni with race springs vs Tein RA
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The Comptech Pro Shochs are the best you can buy and they work the best as well!. The Ra and the yellow Koni are street stuff,when I installed the the Pro Shocks it was a new car and was a 100% inprovement over the yellow Koni
http://www.comptechusa.com/store/110105.html
Steve
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Steve
I have the Koni yellow with H&R race on mine, and they work pretty well. The only thing is, you will not be able to adjust corner height. The Teins
http://www.racingparaphenalia.com/NSXteinpage.html
are cheaper then the Comptech
http://www.racingparaphenalia.com/NSXcomptechsuspensionpage.html
but it all depends on your budget.
http://www.racingparaphenalia.com/NSXteinpage.html
are cheaper then the Comptech
http://www.racingparaphenalia.com/NSXcomptechsuspensionpage.html
but it all depends on your budget.
I am pretty happy with the Koni/Eibach set up. Good compromise for expense, comfort and adjustably. The ride height I have not been to concerned with, now I have knocked the front spoiler off enough times I didn't replace it last time...
There is enough damping adjustment I can soften the car up to go to the track and not rattle my teeth, have a bit of adjustment to deal with under and oversteer conditions on the track. You can also get this set from Comptech or Ground Control with adjustable spring perches so you can corner balance the car...
There is enough damping adjustment I can soften the car up to go to the track and not rattle my teeth, have a bit of adjustment to deal with under and oversteer conditions on the track. You can also get this set from Comptech or Ground Control with adjustable spring perches so you can corner balance the car...
If your budget will take it, buy the Comptech! I have had the street/track setups and there is no comparison in my opinion. They work and valve amazingly well and really give you good feedback as to what is going on. They are well worth the money. IMHO. Kip Olson
SMGNSX said:
I agree completely these are VERY good and if setup correctly the car can be VERY fast with the right driver. I would also put the NSX-R suspension is it's class as well.
Also , as pbassjo is eluding to, these cars are VERY well balanced as is. If budget is a consideration, spending the preimium for adjustable suspension is one I would hold off on. You would have to be a quite accomplished track driver to even notice.
JMO,
LarryB
SMGNSX said:
I have the Tein RA, and at least in Seattle-Oregon-Vancouver BC roads, this suspension is as best describe as streetable Track stuff... Now if you do value ride comfort in everyday driving, Koni Yellow would be much better choice.
I'm not saying comptech is not better, if all the experienced track lappers/racers like Kip, Andrie recoment, I bet it's true!!! But like pbassjo had said, if the comptech is not as least 75% better, it won't justify the double the price of the other options... maybe the reason could apply that why I'm not driving a 02 nsx but a 91... Oh opps, I forgot I couldn't afford a new one anyway... :biggrin:
Now back to the original question:
Comparing Tein RA with Koni w/ race spring: It's a little vague when you stated race spings, Groud control, Dali, H&R, Eibach etc. all made different spring rate springs, but I believed they are generally a bit softer than the one on standard Tein RA coilover: 10k front, 12k rear.
Unsprung weight: TeinRA all aluminum construction would save you some weight than the Koni yellow.
The ease of adjustability, Tein suspension adjustment is in "clicks", so it's easier to record and adjust if needed, versus Koni's adjustment is infinate, so you kind of have to record how many turns...or how many degrees you have turn...you got the idea. Now everyone had pointed out the koni are a little more on soft side, that gives you more controlability and also the comfort on the street.
Now I'm puzzled with the TeinRA shocks are too harsh comment by Andrie... Again, as far as experience goes, he's probably 1000 times better than me. (I took whatever he said as golden rule.) However, with my non stock alignment (previous owner and the suspension intaller tuned it to be neutral handling and maximize tire life, my car is not too low either.) I found when I was on my local track, Pacific raceway, the stiffer I set up, the better I felt. Even my track is sort of bumpy. Also my car does not experience any excessive oversteering with the 10k,12k springs... Note: my car only had the RA as suspension mod. and use stock 15/16 setup on track. So if the car had different suspension mods or using differet tire/wheel setup, then the RA could be too stiff even on track.
Price: TeinRA maybe a little bit more in retail price, but if you comparing the re-sell value should you upgrade to something else (diff. car or diff. suspension) They might cost you the same...
Last note: Even you have someone nice enough to let you drive or sit in their suspension, your impression could still be different when you own the car. (kind of like the first month dating vs. 3 years after marriage
LOL.) My suggestion on evaluating the harshness for street use, if you had even the slighest discomfort with the suspension setup, it will not be the suspension for you.Hope it helps you making decision.
When I had the Yellow Koni on the track car they were adjusted to the firmest to get the shocks to work well, When I went to the Comptech Pro Shocks the ride was smoother the weight transfer was amazing the car was soft when needed and firm when taking corners.
Just canging to these made the car much quicker and alot easer to drive FAST, the car goes where you want it and when with no comprimise of handling. the car is STUCK an all corners and shoots you out like a slingshot.
You must try these to understand what I am saying.
If I was the maker of these shocks and you did not think they are the best handling and improved the car a 100% over what you have I would give you your $$$ back thats how well I like them and I think Kip would agree with me as well, he has drove my car many times and you know he has them as well
Steve
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Just canging to these made the car much quicker and alot easer to drive FAST, the car goes where you want it and when with no comprimise of handling. the car is STUCK an all corners and shoots you out like a slingshot.
You must try these to understand what I am saying.
If I was the maker of these shocks and you did not think they are the best handling and improved the car a 100% over what you have I would give you your $$$ back thats how well I like them and I think Kip would agree with me as well, he has drove my car many times and you know he has them as well
Steve
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SMGNSX said:
Having never tried the Comptech i will not argue you with your opinion but what are they, 2 way adjustable, 3 way, 4 way?
Just looking at them they are not full race specification, despite the 'Pro' moniker. If you want the best suspension then you are looking at 4 way adjustable with remote reservoirs. You can get these sort of kits from Moton (SoS) or Nitron (direct).
-Rob
SMGNSX said:
Hi Steve, what spring rates were you using with the koni's?
Dimer said:
Now that helps, as you might already knew, Koni actually made race shocks and I heard nothing but praise from the owners. One of the track buddy I met at my local track had an early model NA miata, although it's sort of race prep, he had the race Koni shocks (sorry, I really don't know which one is his nor the compatibility with the nsx) He turned as fast lap time as mine. Case in point, he had good control of the car's behavior, yet, there's a big dip in down hill back-straight, (in the beginning of the 110mph-40mph braking zone). Experienced lappers called it "Porsche dips" as MR, RR cars always had problem over there with tires locking up. We were walking a the track, and instructor was spending a little more time talking about it, my miata buddy just scratching his head and smile, "I saw it but really this dip is that bad?? I barely felt it..."
After you clarify it, I can tell you both Koni yellow and Tein RA are not your choice. The bright side is that Koni, Tein, Moton, Comptech all made good race suspension. (How good and how do they perform vs. each other? That's way beyond my knowledge) But then I guessed you might have better support from European maker as you are in Europe.
robfenn said:
The Comptech Pro is 2 way adjustable.
You also mentioned about the 4 way Moton remote adjustable. Are you familiar with the price on the Moton 4way? Let me clue you in, it is about $10K for just the shocks. Not including springs.
What do you mean when you say not full race specification? These shocks are regularly used in various race cars. Including Toyota Atlantic a few years ago.
I setup NSXs with Moton 2way, and 3 way, along with Comptech Pro. Let me tell you this, out of the box, nothing compare to Comptech pro. But for experienced racer, the Moton 3 way is a great shock. However, without proper data, experience and ability, you will not be able to maximize their performance. For the price range up to $4K, I can't find anything better than the Comptech pro.
That being said, I have no experience with Moton 4way. With my experience of their 2 and 3 way, I have no doubt they are really good. But are they $10K good?
Now, I also offer custom suspension kit using Koni race shocks. Private me for price and setup that specific to your need.
ak said:
The Comptech pro comes with 1000 lb/in front springs and 600 lb/in rear springs.
So is it the concensus that the koni-yellow will not have enough dampening to handle eibach race springs maybe in 600/500 lbs/in range? From the dali website, it looksl ike it has enoughr rebound/compression...?
ak said:
That would be in the upper limit IMHO
Andrie Hartanto said:
Hi Andrie,
I would be interest in what you have to offer. I'm looking for something that can handle like NS2 NSX-R suspension (just sold) with height, rebound and damping adjustment. The NSX-R offer no adjustment at all and for every day use. It can get to you
thanks
James
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