Just got my new SSR wheels with 2002 size tires

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Well, I was waiting for TireRack to get the 2002 OEM replacement tires in because I wanted to give that combo a try and get some new SSR Integral wheels at the same time. Why? Well, I want room for bigger brakes without giving up the ability to run OEM tires. I was prepared to go with the 16/17 combination before the 2002 specs were released, and it seems like the 17/17 combo allows even more room for brakes plus a better selection of track tires without giving up the ability to run OEM spec tires. So I decided to wait.

Then the other day the SSR’s went on a special discount, but still no tires. I considered pre-paying the wheels and waiting for the tires, but now the underwear is showing all the way around on both my rears, so it was time to do something fast.

I decided to try the S03 since it gets mostly favorable comments, and besides, I feel like it’s time re-confirm that the OEM tires are still the right choice. I would have preferred to try the Toyo T1S, but that would have been much more hassle since those aren’t available from the same places as the wheels. So, I called TireRack and placed the order, and this is where I screwed up. I told the guy I wanted 17x8 fronts and 17x9 rears, (wider than stock to leave more options in the future, but still appropriate for the tires) and he came up with the recommended offset. He quoted me +38 fronts and +45 rears and although I asked him if he was sure those were the correct specifications for my car, I did not do the math myself. (Not a good idea to place an order from work when you’re in a hurry!)

Fast forward to last night. The weather was spectacular so I dashed out of work a bit early to go home and swap the wheels in time for a drive before dark. I was a bit disappointed by the amount of weight required to balance a couple of them, but hopefully it was tires rather than the wheels that were off. I’ll find out next tire change. The real problem is that the fronts stick out too far for my taste. At center they are pretty much dead even with the fender lip, but given the toe-out in the front and the slight taper of the nose, they actually stick out somewhat at the front. Besides that, the rears are visibly further in than the fronts which looks odd, although that is in part because I have 3+ degrees of negative camber back there so the tops tilt in. With the car a bit higher or the rear modified to reduce camber they would probably look OK relative to the fronts, and spacers are always an option there.

I realize this may be the popular look for most of TireRack’s customers, but it’s not what I wanted. I called them this morning and it turns out that’s the only offset in the 17x8 size. (I have not yet checked the manufacturer) The 7” version also has a +38mm offset, but that would still pull the outer lip in ½ inch, which should be enough, but would not be optimum if I someday decide to try 225s (or is that 225’s ?) on the front. And of course, there’s the hassle factor in changing at this point. Crap, nothing’s easy.

So now I’m stuck with two less than desirable choices, stay as-is, or go through the grief and expense to change. I’m tempted to change to the 7’s up front and live with that since I’m seriously considering getting a set of TE37s as well and mounting OEM tires on them.

Anyone want a good deal on some really neat wheels & tires?
 
You won't find 225's for a 17" tire so I would say 17x7.0 or 17x7.5 with a 215 tire is ok. The real questions if if you want to buy a wheel that will support a 235 tire (which I prefer). For a 235, you should use 8.0 minimum.

BTW, I get no rubbing with 235/40zr17 however, my wheel has optimal offset and I've modified the front fender area a bit.

-- Chris

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Originally posted by ScienceofSpeed:
You won't find 225's for a 17" tire so I would say 17x7.0 or 17x7.5 with a 215 tire is ok.

Not available today perhaps, but who knows what will be.

The wheels I bought aren't available in a 7.5 or I would have.

The real questions is if you want to buy a wheel that will support a 235 tire (which I prefer). For a 235, you should use 8.0 minimum.

235 seems a bit much, particularly around town without power steering. (I hate power steering)


BTW, I get no rubbing with 235/40zr17 however, my wheel has optimal offset and I've modified the front fender area a bit.

What width and offset? My 215/40 rubs on the rear already.
 
Actually, the Falken Azenis is available in 225*45*17. The Azenis is a great tire for the money, excellent dry grip and reasonable wet grip considering the dry performance. A lot of people running in track days and SCCA street class have been raving about this tire, and at $117/tire in a 17 inch size, its a great deal, all around.

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And, here are some real world reviews of the tire:

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Hope this helps.
-Hubert



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Originally posted by bb6:
Actually, the Falken Azenis is available in 225*45*17. The Azenis is a great tire for the money...

Thanks, but the 45 series means it's too tall, at least for me. I'm also not so worried about the price difference, although I don't mind a great deal. I'll be ordering the OEM stuff when it becomes available, but figured it would be nice to try something else while I wait. I guess I'll get a set of TE37s so I can compare different combinations.
 
I run Enkei RPO1s in 17x8" +38mm front and 17x9" +43 (I think) rear. I agree the front sticks out a bit more than I'd like (I like the looks, it's the steering effort I don't really like). I have no rubbing at all with 215/40/17. I'm pretty much at factory ride height, though. Possibly even a hair higher.

If I had the money, I'd just go for the TE37s.

Chris: What offset are your front wheels? I keep thinking about 235/40... I'd love to do it, but I can never convince myself it'll actually be able to fit.

-Mike
 
So, I called TireRack and placed the order, and this is where I screwed up. I told the guy I wanted 17x8 fronts and 17x9 rears, (wider than stock to leave more options in the future, but still appropriate for the tires) and he came up with the recommended offset. He quoted me +38 fronts and +45 rears and although I asked him if he was sure those were the correct specifications for my car, I did not do the math myself.
sjs, you didn't screw up. Those are the offsets that fit, there's no such thing as correct offset with general application wheels. (The 38mm 17x9 also fits, but deviates further from stock offset.)
Besides that, the rears are visibly further in than the fronts which looks odd, although that is in part because I have 3+ degrees of negative camber back there so the tops tilt in. With the car a bit higher or the rear modified to reduce camber they would probably look OK relative to the fronts, and spacers are always an option there.
Instead of spacers, consider swapping for the 38mm offset 17x9. That moves the wheel out a quarter inch. I wouldn't want to deviate any further from stock offset (and spacers effectively do the same thing). It sounds like you really want 17x10 with a wider tire, tough. The SSR Integral has limited appeal in the NSX world because most people want to go wider than 9" in the rear.
I realize this may be the popular look for most of TireRack’s customers, but it’s not what I wanted.
This really has nothing to do with what look is popular. It's all about what will fit, as non custom made wheels are never designed specifically for the NSX.
I called them this morning and it turns out that’s the only offset in the 17x8 size. (I have not yet checked the manufacturer)
Good luck contacting the manufacturer, it's in Japan. The 17x8 does come in a 45mm offset for our bolt pattern, but it does not fit. I worked with the original SSR importer (before the Tire Rack), who thought it would fit. Unfortunately I found that the spokes did not clear the stock caliper. A spacer would have been necessary, a quarter inch I think it was.
The 7” version also has a +38mm offset, but that would still pull the outer lip in ½ inch, which should be enough
I chose the 17x7 over the 17x8 for the same reason, but I'm not actually sure it makes a visual difference. That's because it's the tire, not the rim, that is close to the fender, and you're still running the same tire size. Since you want bigger brakes, the 17x7 won't help you anyway, as it just barely clears the stock calipers. I don't even think the 17x8 works with most brake kits. You're probably better off with the similar looking GT1 that reportedly does clear big brakes.
 
It seems that I got one of the last sets of the SSR Integrals from Tire Rack, they have since they have been discontinued. I also wanted the 2002 sizes and the RE040 tires. The rims are 17x7 and 17x9 and offsets are 38 front & 45 rear. The tires sit inside the wheelwells perfectly. The rims do sit out more than the stockers(they were tucked in way to far for my taste) and they seem to fill the fenders without sticking out. There is plenty of room for bigger brakes. Handling is just as precise as stock. I had them chromed and out of curiosity I weighed them before and after. The front wheels weighed the same and the rears gained 4 pounds each.
John

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FYI...I got the SSR Integral GT1 and these are considered the successor to the SSR Integral wheel. I got 17x7 and 17x8 wheels and I run 215/40-17 in the front and 255/40-17 in the rear.

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[This message has been edited by DONYMO (edited 29 July 2002).]
 
Nice wheel
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I run the 17x7.5 et 40 up front and the 18x9 et 45 rear, and I love them! It is a great fit. It was either that or the OZ SL's for me, but after trying them both on the car......the SSR's looked better with the green color. The GT1 is also lighter and stronger than the Integral too fyi,
Aaron
 
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