Is This The Last Year Of NSX Production?

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In a previous thread, it states that the 2002 NSX total world wide production will be only 245 units at an MSRP of $89.7K. This Japanese Ferrari will have < 300hp. I was at my local Acura dealer 2 weeks ago and I could have my color of choice, at least 5% off MSRP and a 1-2 month delivery for the 2002. No problem.

I was at a Ferrari dealer last week and was told that 300-350 units of the FX (F60) will be produced at an MSRP of at least $450K. This car will have approx 650hp. Unlike the new NSX, this purchase is by invitation only. Thru Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo or an Italian Cardinal.

If Porsche had built only 245 996TT in 2001-02 the MSRP may have been $113K but the market value would have been approaching $200K for this 400+hp car.

Does the NSX need a real hp increase to about 450hp to survive? Is this its last year? Is it doomed for ever and kaput?
 
ooh, I see you haven't been keeping up on what's coming for the NSX...
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many rumors, but one thing for sure is that it's not going away. And it'll be the Ferrari killer once again when the next gen releases... Imagine a 8 or 10 cyl. iv-tec!! Yikes. Talk about Formula One for the streets!
 
I think it's fair to say that since Honda just did a makeover for the current model that they're not planning to discontinue the NSX any time soon.

I think it's also obvious that Honda doesn't view the measly production numbers as a problem. The Tochigi plant capacity that was once reserved for the NSX is being used to produce the S2000 and the Impact.

Therefore, it would appear that Honda is OK with the NSX being a showcase car that is produced in very small numbers (i.e. a few hundred units a year).

There are many rumors about the next NSX, but the persistent ones typically involve the V8 that is also being developed for the RL.

-Jim

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Originally posted by Jimbo:
I think it's fair to say that since Honda just did a makeover for the current model that they're not planning to discontinue the NSX any time soon.

I think it's also obvious that Honda doesn't view the measly production numbers as a problem. The Tochigi plant capacity that was once reserved for the NSX is being used to produce the S2000 and the Impact.

Therefore, it would appear that Honda is OK with the NSX being a showcase car that is produced in very small numbers (i.e. a few hundred units a year).

There are many rumors about the next NSX, but the persistent ones typically involve the V8 that is also being developed for the RL.

-Jim
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What's a Honda Impact??? Or do you mean Insight???
 
Heheh....

Ooops. Yes, I mean the Insight.

It wouldn't do to have a car named...IMPACT!!!

-Jim

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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
Looking for 76-79 Honda Accords
 
Originally posted by Zuerst:
What's a Honda Impact??? Or do you mean Insight???
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Jim is referring to the Insight, Honda's hybrid two-seater. Its name is easily confused with the Impact, GM's electric-only car.
 
Originally posted by Jimbo:
It wouldn't do to have a car named...IMPACT!!!
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GM was on the end of a lot of kidding about that. They ought to be used to it, after naming a car "Nova" (Spanish for "doesn't run").
 
Everytime I fly into LAX...and go to the Budget Rent-A-Car lot they have one or two of the GM Impact cars for rent.

I've been tempted to rent one, just to see what it would be like.

But Budget "charges" (pun intended) a huge premium for the privilege of operating a limited range vehicle.

If I was inclined to spend that much money, I'd consider renting a NSX!

-Jim
 
Originally posted by jmsc:

Does the NSX need a real hp increase to about 450hp to survive?
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I don't know if it NEEDS that much power, however, there will be a lot of dissapointed potential buyers if it is not putting out over 400HP.
I don't know if it matters THAT much if it is a V6, V8 or even V10, because it will need at LEAST 400 HP to be competitive with the 2003 Viper and whatever else is coming down the line.

Also, acura left the engine basically alone for the 11+ years of production. (3.0-3.2 is about it), so I think they better start with something awesome since chances are it will be there a long time.

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Netviper, some might think I am about to pick nits, but Acura did not leave the engine alone, Honda did. In Japan, there is no Acura. Acura is purely an american marketing name. Heck, even the Acura Logo is just a Honda logo with the top parts of the H smooshed together so it looks like an A, but the split in the top reveals it is really an H for Honda.
 
acura sucks ass.

The acura line up is so anal - its like old impotent gentlemens ride.

RSX being the exception.

HOnda should look at Toyota and what it has managed to do with LEXUS.

Does the Acura Legend (or whateva it is) look lke an 80s Merc??
 
I've been very impressed by what Acura has done with the TL and CL. The Type S version has 260 hp, more than most of their competitors. And they are fully equipped for around $32K, which is about $8-10K less than the competitors like Lexus and BMW, once you add in comparable equipment like leather, sunroof, HID lights, etc, all of which are standard on the TL and CL.
 
NSXotic, OK, so the marketing folks have spread the name to HK. My car still says it is manufactured by HONDA!!!

And that crap about calipers, more marketing mumbo jumbo. Honda realized that if they sell the same cars in different countries, the logo emblems have to be interchangeable.
So both are boxes with something inside. some engineer squished the H to make it an A, and some bozo in marketing goes, that looks like calipers, Must be the mark of precision. And now you've heard the rest of the story ;-P
 
Originally posted by nsx4fun:
Netviper, some might think I am about to pick nits, but Acura did not leave the engine alone, Honda did. In Japan, there is no Acura.
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So what is your point? Who cares if it says acura or honda? THe car is still the same...
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Originally, the Acura logo was designed as a pure calipers without the short horizontal piece connecting the two sides. That is how the logo was manufactured and installed on the first thirty or so NSX's in late summer 1990, which were the first cars to carry the new logo. However, when Soichiro Honda himself saw the final design, he insisted that the horizontal piece be added (presumably to make it look more like the H for Honda). As a result, American Honda's top executives were feverishly replacing the logos on those NSX's the night before the first auto show where they were introduced.
 
To be honest, I think Toyota has cheapened the Lexus name somewhat with the IS300...

Every 17-21 year old gang banging gansta dope dealer in Brooklyn is now riding around in one of those with like 10 televisions.

The dealer where I bought my BMW said that Lexus has been bitter sweet competition. Tough to have another strong competitor, but good because it is helping BMW shake the drug dealer punk image that was turning a more desirable demographic to Benz and Japan.

While I wish Acura would appeal to a higher end demographic, I would *really* hate to see them start appealing to the "gangsta" demographic that is nearly synonymous with "youth" these days.

After all, how many other 18 year olds are spending 30+k on a new car?
 
Originally posted by NUK3M:
HOnda should look at Toyota and what it has managed to do with LEXUS.
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Go drive one - a Lexus is just a Japanese Buick. Everybody I know with a Lexus talked on and on about what a great car it was and how it was as good (or better) than the German sedans until they rode in my C43. Suddenly I never hear them bragging any more.

I did some consulting for Mercedes several years ago and spent a lot of time with their engineers. They laughed every time I asked them about Lexus. The only Japanese luxury brand they had any respect for was Acura. They had evey competeing model of evey competing brand for evaluation and were always very impressed by the design of the Acuras. In fact, several of the engineers went out of their way to point out things they liked/admired about the original Legend design. All they had for Lexus engineering was contempt.

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Originally posted by David:
Go drive one - a Lexus is just a Japanese Buick.
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I'd argue that it's a Japanese Cadillac. Quiet, luxurious, with a cushy ride. Similar demographic. Bought one for my mom. Commercial success, yes - fodder for car enthusiasts, no...
 
Originally posted by David:
Go drive one - a Lexus is just a Japanese Buick. Everybody I know with a Lexus talked on and on about what a great car it was and how it was as good (or better) than the German sedans until they rode in my C43. Suddenly I never hear them bragging any more.

I did some consulting for Mercedes several years ago and spent a lot of time with their engineers. They laughed every time I asked them about Lexus. The only Japanese luxury brand they had any respect for was Acura. They had evey competeing model of evey competing brand for evaluation and were always very impressed by the design of the Acuras. In fact, several of the engineers went out of their way to point out things they liked/admired about the original Legend design. All they had for Lexus engineering was contempt.

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Funny, before I bought my Lexus GS400, I test drove a Mercedes E430. And the GS made the Mercedes feels like an expensive Buick.
 
Originally posted by spookyp:
To be honest, I think Toyota has cheapened the Lexus name somewhat with the IS300...

Every 17-21 year old gang banging gansta dope dealer in Brooklyn is now riding around in one of those with like 10 televisions.

The dealer where I bought my BMW said that Lexus has been bitter sweet competition. Tough to have another strong competitor, but good because it is helping BMW shake the drug dealer punk image that was turning a more desirable demographic to Benz and Japan.

While I wish Acura would appeal to a higher end demographic, I would *really* hate to see them start appealing to the "gangsta" demographic that is nearly synonymous with "youth" these days.

After all, how many other 18 year olds are spending 30+k on a new car?
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LMFAO

i have seen a bunch of early 20 yr olds get out of a Legend, dressed in the classic Vietnamese hoodlum style - either its mum/dads car or they been smoking too crack.

Dont these young drug dealers have a sense of fun anymore?
 
Originally posted by NSX2F1:
Funny, before I bought my Lexus GS400, I test drove a Mercedes E430. And the GS made the Mercedes feels like an expensive Buick.
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I'll bet that Benz is still running strong long after the Lexus has been recycled into soup cans! ; )

When we were pounding cars at the MB test track they told me that every Lexus they ran there broke. I drove one that was almost brand new and after 20 min on the track there were big paint chips on both sides of the trunk lid. I couldnb't figure out what happened until one of the MB guys told me that there was so much flex in both rear quarter panels that they were bending in and rubbing hard on the trunk lid.

They also showed me a tape of a C class Benz ramming a four door Lexus head on (they like to do this - I think its a German ego thing). The Benz looked like it was moderately dammaged, with no damage at all in the cabin. The Lexus had the pedal cluster rammed itno the driver's seat. Pretty graphic representation of the difference in build quality between the two cars.
 
Originally posted by David:
I'll bet that Benz is still running strong long after the Lexus has been recycled into soup cans! ; )
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Having owned and driven both, IMO Toyota/Lexus is several years ahead of Benz in engine smoothness and predictability over time in the "basic" cars. Compare the 3.0 V6 in the Camry/Avalon/ES300 with the 3.x I6 in the entry-level E class -- its like night and day.

Acura compares more closely to BMW; other than the ITR and entry-level Teg, they haven't gone off the cheap end (ala Bimmer TI, Benz C-coupe).
 
To be honest, I think Toyota has cheapened the Lexus name somewhat with the IS300...
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Hey, I like my wife's IS300!

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