Interesting opinion on Audio

Interesting article. I am a bit of an "audiophile" and have seen and heard all kinds of things through the years. I know a guy who swears that if you place a penny on top of the corners of your speakers, it adds more depth and clarity. He is off of his rocker, and probably could be given a sugar pill and told that taking it will cure him of any given problem, and he will believe it.

I bought into SACD (super audio CD) about 5 years ago, and have been an avid fan of various surround formats, and remasters. With this said, I was an early adopter of mp3, and have an ipod in one car and an empeg in my other. There is a tradeoff between compressed music and convenience. But, when music (mp3s) are compressed well at a modest bitrate, it is pretty damn good.

One thing recently that really burns me up is that HD programming via Comcast, Directv, Dish etc...is compressed like hell. Luckily, my cable provider, Insight, does not yet compress the signals. Anyways, sometimes as technology gets better, the end product gets worse due to compression.
 
While he has several valid points, he's also rather a bit of a snob. While I certanily consider myself an audiophile (I have to be, in my line of work), he seems to be a bit of a nutjob. I'm sorry, but 98% of people can't tell the difference between a CD or an LP, or between a CD and an MP3 (at a decent [192\higher] bitrate). First of all, the average consumer can't afford high quality monitoring equipment, second of all, they likely wouldn't be able to tell even if they HAD good monitors. My edit suite is also an audio suite - acoustically treated, with Tannoy monitors running off a Hafler amplifier. I've been working in Mobile DJing and Audio\Video Production for going on 10 years, and sometimes I have to struggle to tell the difference between a quality rip, and the original CD. His argument is rather analogous to the "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" argument. It's pointless.
 
djdrock said:
One thing recently that really burns me up is that HD programming via Comcast, Directv, Dish etc...is compressed like hell. Luckily, my cable provider, Insight, does not yet compress the signals. Anyways, sometimes as technology gets better, the end product gets worse due to compression.

It's the limits of our distrubution network. For example:

Uncompressed, standard definition (525 NTSC) clocks in at 20 MB per/sec for 8 bit @ 720 x 486 @ 29.97fps.

Compare that to uncompressed 720p, 105 MB per/sec for 8 bit @ 1280 x 720 @ 59.94field.

There's simply too much more to push through our networks. While most providers are laying fiber like crazy, it's tough to keep up.
 
His first point is definitely the biggest one to me. Points 2 and 3 (and 4, really) are decisions the listener makes. There's some "dumbing down", but that's always been the case, especially in audio. In the end, an educated listener understands the compromises and is free to choose lossless formats, devices with decent D/As, speakers as fine as wallet will allow, etc.

However, point 1 is largely a result of how the CD is mastered - the listener has no control over the compromise in quality.

I've wondered what really makes DVD-A and SACDs sound better than most newer CDs. While, with greater quantization (bits) and temporal (sampling rate) resolutions, DVD-A and SACDs have clear advantages, I'm sure much of the real problem is poor use of the available dynamic range when the content is mixed/mastered.

Here's a nice visual comparison: http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/loudnesgraphic.htm

It's really clear when you listen to, say an old CD from the 80s, then listen to any new one. The new one is almost always louder and clips much more often.

Of course, when clipping occurs, you're incurring 100% information loss. I wonder how much I'm missing.

I think the article would have been better if author clearly differentiated misconceptions in the consumer-space from compromises in quality audio engineers make (perhaps pressured by record companies, distribution, radio stations, marketing, etc... presumably to appeal to the largest number of <strike>listeners</strike> consumers).
 
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nchopp said:
It's the limits of our distrubution network.

I take it you work for one of the big-boys, right? :biggrin:

Either way, I am just glad that Insight, in my area, has limited HD broadcasting, but high-bandwidth. Comcast, like others, has taken a different approach in that more programming is better, at the sacrifice of quality.
 
On the subject of Mastering, one of the editorial links to the 'current trends in the recording arena' has a rather funny story about the mastering 'engineer'.

Q: How can a Producer guarantee the finished CD sounds as good as the Master Tape?

A : First find a pressing plant that will work with you. If you ask a potential plant what speed they burn their glass masters at and you get a "dah" at the other end of the phone hang up quickly and find some one who is knowledgeable and willing to provide a quality product at a reasonable (notice I did not say "cheap") price. Too many times today people are going for the bottom line and they want to get 1000 CDs pressed with artwork and jacket for $1,000.00 and then they complain about the final quality of the project. There are lots of really good duplication plants out there and someone, the likes of Glenn Meadows, could probably give you a list of ones to use and ones to avoid.
I know what your frustration is all about. We recently did a project and the test pressing came back sounding NOTHING like the master I had send the plant. When I contacted the plant I was told to talk to their "mastering" engineer but I would have to call back after 3 pm since he did not get out of high school till then. When I talked to him he was very nice and very concerned about the quality of the product the plant was producing but his boss was more concerned about getting projects out the door than worrying about individual projects or the concerns of one or two people that could hear the difference.
The "mastering" engineer told me that he did the transfers for the company and that his boss had told him on numerous occasions that "digital is digital" and it all sounds the same anyway. He further told the "mastering" engineer that the most people who could hear the difference were NOT buying their products.
The student told me that the job was better than flipping burgers at MacD's but he was trying to find another job that was more rewarding and that he could feel good about.
There are a lot of really bad pressing plants but hopefully as people trade stories and listen to the final product the bad ones will go away and the good ones will stay around but as long as people want "cheap" pressings that is EXACTLY what they will get. I am not saying this is your case but a lot of the "bottom feeders" we deal with want quantity not quality.

I had a chance to listen to some well mastered CD-s from Mobile Fidelity labs, ..and that really showed the difference between a well mastered album and the run-of-the-mills CD-s.

And .. in the realm of surround formats, listening to 'Dark Side of the moon' on SACD is really different from the original stereo format. That really got me to try out SACD and DVD-A.
One thing that may make a difference with these formats is that since they're still considered 'novelty' formats, they tend to be mastered with more care than the average CD pressings.

Cheers .. Gus
 
I tend to agree with many of the authors points as well as with some of the replies on this thread. I am a longtime audiophile/videophile and have spent many hours comparing and auditioning various equipment (not to mention countless $$$).

For the longest time I discounted things like DAT, DCC, MiniDisc as fads, and in the case of the latter two, as having inferior sound quality. And having held off from the most recent MP3 player craze for some time I finally caved in. However, it wasn't for the sound quality but rather for the convenience. My iPods really only see use in my vehicles and despite the diminished audio fidelity of MP3s as compared to CD, I find that my OEM in-car stereos are not quite capable of resolving the difference. Perhaps if I had a more expensive aftermarket system it would be a different story. But the ability to have recordings of almost my entire music collection in my car at one time is fantastic!

At home I still prefer to listen to CDs, SACD, and DVD-A.

On the video front, I much prefer over the air terrestrial HDTV and have grown a liking to WMV-HD DVDs until the other mass-market HD DVD formats come to fruition.

I think high-end audio is definitely an acquired taste and is prone to the same capacity for escalating prices and diminishing returns as with high-end exotic sports cars. Just like my neighbor really doesn't appreciate the difference btw my NSX and her Lexus SC someone will not care for the difference btw a high end audio system and a Bose 3-2-1.

Its all about the enjoyment of the finer things in life.
 
For those who dont like compressed HD signals... Zenith Silver sensor OTA antenna.
I got one of theses and HD is free and uncompressed..I think:redface:
 

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nchopp said:
While he has several valid points, he's also rather a bit of a snob. While I certanily consider myself an audiophile (I have to be, in my line of work), he seems to be a bit of a nutjob. I'm sorry, but 98% of people can't tell the difference between a CD or an LP, or between a CD and an MP3 (at a decent [192\higher] bitrate). First of all, the average consumer can't afford high quality monitoring equipment, second of all, they likely wouldn't be able to tell even if they HAD good monitors. My edit suite is also an audio suite - acoustically treated, with Tannoy monitors running off a Hafler amplifier. I've been working in Mobile DJing and Audio\Video Production for going on 10 years, and sometimes I have to struggle to tell the difference between a quality rip, and the original CD. His argument is rather analogous to the "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" argument. It's pointless.

I hate to say it, but it sounds like you have been too close to your speakers with your DJ jobs:) I use to demonstrate LP vs. CD sound on simple NAD receivers and Klipsch speakers, using the best available CD players and a $200 Thorens turntable. Using standard commercial fare like Dire Straits and Phil Collins.

MP3 is very convenient, but even encoding at 320, it is apparent even in the car that it is an inferior sound, lack of depth and air, very curt or clipped sound. Gives me a headache after an hour.
 
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