Has anyone driven both the integra type R and the NSX....I have a 2000 type R and would like to know any impressions of the difference....the R just zips around corners, has great response and road feel and is very light.......is the NSX just more powerful,heavy,precise......any feed back appreciated...seriously thinking of buying one....Mahalo from Maui Boy
integra type R vs NSX
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Too bad the NSXR is not available in the States. Any true Honda Type R is a great model including the Integra.
The NSX is definitely a step up from the Integra. However, your Type R is more tuned for track use than a stock NSX.
In other words, yes, the NSX will make you very happy. I qualify that with, depending on your tastes and uses, you may want some upgrading. Although a standard NSX is a superior vehicle, it's not as track tuned as any of Honda's Type R vehicles like your Integra. Consumers in Japan who want that stiffer suspension and lighter weight go for the Type S and zero models instead.
I found the Integra R suspenion stiffer than a stock NSX and it is lighter as well.
[This message has been edited by ilya (edited 16 April 2002).]
The NSX is definitely a step up from the Integra. However, your Type R is more tuned for track use than a stock NSX.
In other words, yes, the NSX will make you very happy. I qualify that with, depending on your tastes and uses, you may want some upgrading. Although a standard NSX is a superior vehicle, it's not as track tuned as any of Honda's Type R vehicles like your Integra. Consumers in Japan who want that stiffer suspension and lighter weight go for the Type S and zero models instead.
I found the Integra R suspenion stiffer than a stock NSX and it is lighter as well.
[This message has been edited by ilya (edited 16 April 2002).]
I own an Integra Type R and an NSX. I've driven both in quite a few track events as well as on the street (maybe 60 track events in the NSX and 10 in the ITR, in addition to 10 and 30 in my previous GS-R and CRX).
Both cars are exceptional, featuring good power and neutral handling. The NSX is indeed more powerful and more precise, although it never seems heavy at all.
The acceleration on the NSX is substantially faster than the ITR, with most tests showing it a full second faster 0-60 as well as in the quarter mile. Step on the throttle on the ITR, and it accelerates nicely. Step on the NSX throttle, and it goes RIGHT NOW, thank you.
Similarly, the handling and cornering in the NSX is just that much more responsive. The ITR handling is excellent, but the NSX is better. It's a lot easier to hit a particular spot on the track in the NSX than in the ITR.
One noticeable difference between the two cars on the track is the shift points. The stock NSX maximum speed in the first three gears is roughly 40, 80, and 115; in the ITR, it's 30, 60, and 90. On some tracks, I keep the ITR in third gear for almost the entire track, whereas in the NSX I'm constantly shifting between second and third. On faster tracks, I might have the NSX in third and be shifting the ITR between third and fourth.
On the street and for daily driving, the ITR is fun, but a lot more raw than the NSX. The ITR is loud (no soundproofing), and the interior isn't particularly plush.
I disagree with many of ilya's points (sorry, ilya). I think that a stock NSX is every bit as well-tuned for track use as the ITR. I just think that the stock NSX is also well-designed for street use, more than the ITR. You can take a bone-stock NSX out on the track, and it has a suspension that's simply amazing because on the track it holds the corners even better than the ITR (which is no slouch), and yet the ride is also comfortable (not harsh) on the street. There is absolutely no need to upgrade the NSX suspension unless you feel that you must have as little body roll as possible and you don't care about the ride quality on the street. The stock suspension (assuming that the struts aren't worn, which may not be valid on an older NSX that has the originals) holds the corners incredibly well. Even the stock tires are quite competent on the track; although they both come from the factory with the Bridgestone RE010 as standard equipment (as well as, for the NSX, the Yokohama A022H), the tire sizes on the NSX are corner-specific and have built-in bias that works with the NSX alignment for superior handling and grip. (Read more in the "Tire Tech" section of the NSX FAQ.)
While the NSX is indeed heavier than the ITR, it doesn't feel like a heavy car. It feels light and incredibly precise and, overall, just plain more capable. They are both a heck of a lot of fun. When I take people for track rides in the ITR, they're usually surprised that it's as quick and as neutral-handling as it is - but mostly because it's a FWD Integra and they weren't expecting it. When I take people for rides in the NSX, they're usually flat-out astounded at what it can do.
There's no question that the ITR is a more versatile car than the NSX; if I had to have only one car, it would be the ITR. But when I go to the track or to my favorite curvy pavement and I really want to boogie, I'll take the NSX.
Try driving one and you'll see exactly what I mean.
Both cars are exceptional, featuring good power and neutral handling. The NSX is indeed more powerful and more precise, although it never seems heavy at all.
The acceleration on the NSX is substantially faster than the ITR, with most tests showing it a full second faster 0-60 as well as in the quarter mile. Step on the throttle on the ITR, and it accelerates nicely. Step on the NSX throttle, and it goes RIGHT NOW, thank you.
Similarly, the handling and cornering in the NSX is just that much more responsive. The ITR handling is excellent, but the NSX is better. It's a lot easier to hit a particular spot on the track in the NSX than in the ITR.
One noticeable difference between the two cars on the track is the shift points. The stock NSX maximum speed in the first three gears is roughly 40, 80, and 115; in the ITR, it's 30, 60, and 90. On some tracks, I keep the ITR in third gear for almost the entire track, whereas in the NSX I'm constantly shifting between second and third. On faster tracks, I might have the NSX in third and be shifting the ITR between third and fourth.
On the street and for daily driving, the ITR is fun, but a lot more raw than the NSX. The ITR is loud (no soundproofing), and the interior isn't particularly plush.
I disagree with many of ilya's points (sorry, ilya). I think that a stock NSX is every bit as well-tuned for track use as the ITR. I just think that the stock NSX is also well-designed for street use, more than the ITR. You can take a bone-stock NSX out on the track, and it has a suspension that's simply amazing because on the track it holds the corners even better than the ITR (which is no slouch), and yet the ride is also comfortable (not harsh) on the street. There is absolutely no need to upgrade the NSX suspension unless you feel that you must have as little body roll as possible and you don't care about the ride quality on the street. The stock suspension (assuming that the struts aren't worn, which may not be valid on an older NSX that has the originals) holds the corners incredibly well. Even the stock tires are quite competent on the track; although they both come from the factory with the Bridgestone RE010 as standard equipment (as well as, for the NSX, the Yokohama A022H), the tire sizes on the NSX are corner-specific and have built-in bias that works with the NSX alignment for superior handling and grip. (Read more in the "Tire Tech" section of the NSX FAQ.)
While the NSX is indeed heavier than the ITR, it doesn't feel like a heavy car. It feels light and incredibly precise and, overall, just plain more capable. They are both a heck of a lot of fun. When I take people for track rides in the ITR, they're usually surprised that it's as quick and as neutral-handling as it is - but mostly because it's a FWD Integra and they weren't expecting it. When I take people for rides in the NSX, they're usually flat-out astounded at what it can do.
There's no question that the ITR is a more versatile car than the NSX; if I had to have only one car, it would be the ITR. But when I go to the track or to my favorite curvy pavement and I really want to boogie, I'll take the NSX.
Try driving one and you'll see exactly what I mean.
I haven't owned a Type-R, but did own a SCed GSR. Have driven both the Type-R and SCed GSR. I couldn't go back to driving a non-SCed integra after owning a SCed one.
Having said all of this, I would still pick the NSX.
Having said all of this, I would still pick the NSX.
As your ONLY car if you could only own one car? In rainy Oregon?
Yes, how did you know it rained a lot here?
We must be well known for that. I don't like to carry passengers. Myself even if I had the room I couldn't put used tires in my integera. I had custom leather interior. I don't see an integra as a cargo van. I owned one for four years and maybe did only one of the things on your list. The integra didn't fit my needs any better in the daily driver category then does the NSX. For that I own a truck.
Oh, so YOU'RE not talking about the NSX as an only vehicle EITHER!!!
[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 23 April 2002).]
It looks as if some have deleted their posts. Why?
I think your missing everyones point. Even if the Type-R was there only vehicle they would not do to there car what you are suggesting.
For that matter if you have a well trained dog there is no reason he couldn't sit in the front seat of the NSX. Since your origonal post isn't still their I can't comment on the other things that you pointed out.
I think the NSX could do just about anything that I needed it to do as a daily driver. Name one thing that I would need it to do as a daily driver that it can't do. And carring 14 tires isn't something you would do every day. Not to mention even if the integra was my only car I wouldn't try this. You are treating your integra as a beater car. I don't think most would consider a Type-R a beater. Go on a Honda web site and ask how many Type-R owners would carry a dog or 14 tires in the back of their car. Let me know how many responses you get.
I think your missing everyones point. Even if the Type-R was there only vehicle they would not do to there car what you are suggesting.
For that matter if you have a well trained dog there is no reason he couldn't sit in the front seat of the NSX. Since your origonal post isn't still their I can't comment on the other things that you pointed out.
I think the NSX could do just about anything that I needed it to do as a daily driver. Name one thing that I would need it to do as a daily driver that it can't do. And carring 14 tires isn't something you would do every day. Not to mention even if the integra was my only car I wouldn't try this. You are treating your integra as a beater car. I don't think most would consider a Type-R a beater. Go on a Honda web site and ask how many Type-R owners would carry a dog or 14 tires in the back of their car. Let me know how many responses you get.
*searches aimlessly for his missing post... wherefore art thou my lil postio?* ;P
The posts must have been deleted by Lud. The rest of us cannot delete our own posts.
My point was not that they (or I) necessarily use their car in that way, only that the ITR provides a lot of versatility that the NSX lacks, and that that versatility makes it more suitable as an only vehicle. And all of the responses (even those that were deleted) say something like "I can do those other things with my OTHER vehicle"
I am NOT treating my Integra as a beater car. I know many, many ITR owners (mostly through some of those websites). They respect the fact that I need to take track tires to get mounted, and that I carry them in the ITR to do so. I'm not sure why you say that that constitutes treating the car as a beater.
The point that you are making - that many people with ITRs don't use them to carry lots of cargo or drive them in winter weather (because they have other vehicles available) - doesn't detract from the fact that the ITR is more versatile than the NSX.
I really don't see why people around here feel like they have to get into a pissing contest every time someone states an opinion. The ITR is more versatile than the NSX. The NSX performs better than the ITR in most circumstances. For my needs, the ITR is a better choice than the NSX if I had to limit myself to only one car (but I don't). For your needs, the NSX might be a better choice. So what? I think jimbo is right - there are a bunch of people hanging out in this forum who aren't interested in sharing information, they're just here to create confrontation and hostility.
[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 23 April 2002).]
I don't think anyone here so far was in a pissing contest.
There was a question of wether you would choose an NSX or a Type-R as your only car.
Most chose the NSX you chose the Type-R fine. Then you went and descibed the things that you could do in the Type-R that you couldn't do in an NSX. Well I have owned both car as well (GSR instead of Type-R).
If I had to choose between the two it would be the NSX. Of the four years I owned my integra I never did any of the things that you listed. Would I do any of the things you listed as things a Type-R can do better? (even if it was my only car) No it's a car not a cargo van.
Is the Type-R a nice car? Yes.
That is if if you can keep the Type-R from getting stolen. Damn motor fits in just about every Honda made. My friends got stolen three times in one month.
Now this is all just IMOP!
[This message has been edited by nsxxtreme (edited 23 April 2002).]
Aloha form the guy who asked the original question...what's the difference...not which one is better or would you choose....I respect everyones opinion and how about doing just that.....state your opinion without disagreeing or agreeing with anyone...
Mahalo from Maui......I'll let you know my opinion as soon as my NSX gets here in 2-3 weeks...........
Mahalo from Maui......I'll let you know my opinion as soon as my NSX gets here in 2-3 weeks...........
Thanks, nsxxtreme, for proving my point...
Its not exactly the topic, but there are a few things I miss about my integra (LS). I cant vouch for the performance aspects unless someone is willing to let me drive their ITR =)
(1) Steering ratio was quicker. I think the integra was 16:1 whereas the NSX is 18:1. At low speeds, you can throw the car around a lot easier than with the NSX which may require an extra half turn.
(2) The integra was much narrower. It was easier to snake through narrow areas and find a parking spot.
(3) The back is HUGE if you fold the seats down and know how to "play tetris" with your boxes.
Q: How do you take the family out in the NSX?
A: One member at a time =)
[This message has been edited by JoeSchmoe (edited 24 April 2002).]
(1) Steering ratio was quicker. I think the integra was 16:1 whereas the NSX is 18:1. At low speeds, you can throw the car around a lot easier than with the NSX which may require an extra half turn.
(2) The integra was much narrower. It was easier to snake through narrow areas and find a parking spot.
(3) The back is HUGE if you fold the seats down and know how to "play tetris" with your boxes.
Q: How do you take the family out in the NSX?
A: One member at a time =)
[This message has been edited by JoeSchmoe (edited 24 April 2002).]
Originally posted by nsxtasy:
Thanks, nsxxtreme, for proving my point...
Glad to be of some assitance Ken, anytime.
[This message has been edited by nsxxtreme (edited 24 April 2002).]
Interesting note:
During the testing of the old Type S vs. 2002 Type S in the new BMI, Kurosawa mentions how much larger the motions and steering feel seems on the older model.
During the testing of the old Type S vs. 2002 Type S in the new BMI, Kurosawa mentions how much larger the motions and steering feel seems on the older model.
What do you think he means by that?
One of my ITR-ownin' friends has really gotten paranoid about this very thing...apparently the ITR forums mention one getting stolen practically every day.
Last year, one of my coworkers had his ITR stolen from a busy parking lot in Downtown L.A. Before losing the entire car, he kept having to replace the Acura badging.
With Integras topping (or close to the top) of stolen car lists year after year, I suspect one would have to worry more about having an ITR stolen than a NSX. Of course, the NSX attracts a lot more attention than an ITR in general.
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[This message has been edited by akira3d (edited 24 April 2002).]
***What do you think he means by that?***
He stated this during a test through some windy roads at their test track I guess. It seems he was referring to the amount of work and steering input required to get the car through the course. He mentioned driving the old model as being tiring compared to the 2002.
Some of the posts have been deleted, but I remember reading something above that mentioned steering ratios (18:1, 16:1). It made me think of that test and Kurosawa's comments that the new model is even less work to drive fast than the older model. It was just some information that came to mind, nothing meant to counter any statement. Maybe it has something to do with the larger wheels and tires, but I was wondering if an adjustment had been made to the steering as well. I know it's not mentioned in any literature, but it's the kind of detail that would be left out since it would confuse most.
He stated this during a test through some windy roads at their test track I guess. It seems he was referring to the amount of work and steering input required to get the car through the course. He mentioned driving the old model as being tiring compared to the 2002.
Some of the posts have been deleted, but I remember reading something above that mentioned steering ratios (18:1, 16:1). It made me think of that test and Kurosawa's comments that the new model is even less work to drive fast than the older model. It was just some information that came to mind, nothing meant to counter any statement. Maybe it has something to do with the larger wheels and tires, but I was wondering if an adjustment had been made to the steering as well. I know it's not mentioned in any literature, but it's the kind of detail that would be left out since it would confuse most.
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One other thing, the ITR is easier to drive at the limit than the NSX is...
If you are coming from a FWD car, the mid engined RWD configuration of the NSX can be tricky if you are not used to it and don't have lots of seat time learning to handle the power and low polar moment of inertia...
If you are coming from a FWD car, the mid engined RWD configuration of the NSX can be tricky if you are not used to it and don't have lots of seat time learning to handle the power and low polar moment of inertia...
if I could have only one car instead of the five I have it would be the type-r.I have driven both and down here in florida its pretty flat.I know many on this forum use thier nsx as a daily driver.I could not do it.I cant stand even lugging along in first gear in a parking lot say home depot with people coming and going,my car does not like those low rpms and with safety in mind you have to snail around in parking zones.and shopping carts, parking spaces designed for a mg midget alls I can think of is door dings and rolling carts as well as people 90 years old just opening their door bang right into mine.watched in horror as it happened.more power to you if you can use it as a daily driver.ive never even driven it to work.
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Just a guess...but, steering ratio is slow? Or suspension is not as responsive?
Dunno...
