I can confirm that:

[BioBanker]

Your cars are not going to spontaneously combust if you bring them to the race track.

My car has 50ish days on it, and it is still in great shape. The paint hasnt peeled off of it and it does not have wounds across its surface. It looks awesome.

It doesnt balk at me on startup when it sees my HANS and my helmet in the passenger seat either, nor does it wimper down the straight, afraid.

What it does do is fire right up and if Im at the track, it laps with full blown, caged and not street legal racecars. This car rocks. It seriously kicks ass considering that its a comfy daily driver.

So drop your washing mits and put down your polishers, DRIVE YOUR DAMN CARS.

Most recent pics from Mosport here:

www.peterbrand.ca

click gallery
click July 16/17
click A group
click 80 results per page
my pics start around page 6.

LOVE MY NSX.

 

[nsxsimon]

nice, who was sitting next to you ?

were you faster than the yellow striped elise ?

 

[BioBanker]

Instructor. Mario. He was the best instructor Ive ever had.

On the first day, the yellow elise (which is a supercharged and caged racecar), was about the same speed as I was. On day two when my tires were no longer brand spanking new and no longer terrifying, I was faster.

I LOVED THAT ELISE. What a fantastic choice that car is. Too bad you cannot import them. I loved the Exige cup car more, but slap a charger and a cage in a hardtop Elise with some rubber and you very well may be done and youll still have a street legal car.

There was an orange 240R Exige Cup Car there too. It rocked also, but not street legal and it didnt seem much faster down the straight than the Elise.

 

[swbatte]

The Elise-S was a monster in C&D Lightning Lap this year. It beat out a GT3 and 911 Turbo among others. It's a track demon!

I agree with Dave on this subject. Some are afraid to drive their NSXs on the track. There is no need to be. In fact your car will be safer on the track than on the street. That is to say, some of us are guilty of driving the car enthusiastically on the street from time to time. You'll be able to explore your NSX's abilities in a more controlled manner on a track.

No one will make you go faster than you want to.

I say it all the time "you haven't really driven an NSX, until you drive it on a track".

 

[BioBanker]

I think I have that magazine issue Sean and I think that the Exige S kicked ass on some sections of the track, but it got slaughtered on the straights so badly that it was off pace by about 2% overall. Ill dig it up tonight.

That is the problem with a non-charged Elise. You'll be right on the rear bumper, frustrated, trying to pass for 3/4 of a lap. Even if you pass the car in the twisties, youre going to be back behind that car again by the end of the straight. Then you will have 3/4 of a lap being frustrated again. Repeat that 30 times and see how much fun it is!

I didnt think that the charged Elise/Exige would be fast enough either, but I think they may be. I believe that my car is *just* fast enough on the straight to avoid this (996TT speed) as, at Mosport, if you give someone plenty of room entering 5, you'll have 15 car lengths to make heading up the long hill. That can be a lot, even with something like an M3. I think that the Exige S would be *barely* fast enough on that track. But that is a surprise to me and if its fast enough at Mosport, it will be fast enough at 95% of the tracks. On some it will rule.

Plus, they're just friggen cool. Id love an Exige S, but its too close in purpose to my NSX.

 

[swbatte]

I would agree. My last outting at Mosport was only frustrated by waiting to get the signal to pass, or having to slow down for a less powerful car on the straights because he was on my bumper in some corners. If I could change one thing on my car for track use, it would be add more power for exitting corners. 2nd gear is killing me exitting turn 5b.

That drove me nuts. I think the ideal track car would be a GT3 or a CT NSX. With Elises going for ~$30-35k US, they do make a tempting alternative though.

LL3 ($60,000–$120,000)



View 2007 Lotus Exige S Photo Gallery


With a fortified 220-hp supercharged engine and street-legal racing rubber, the Lotus Exige S was a potent device. It’s basically a two-seat formula race car, which shows in the precise feel of the steering and brakes. Compared with the R8 and 911 Turbo, the Exige S was slower down the front straight by 13.9 mph and a whopping 21.4 mph, respectively, yet the Lotus ran a quicker lap than those two. In the twisty parts, the Lotus outgripped everything, especially in tricky Sector Four, where its time of 14.5 seconds was the best of the day.
There is some tail-happiness that hampers the car in places like the uphill esses of Sector Two. In the middle of that sequence, the Lotus tended to get loose, necessitating a lift of the throttle. The car would happily drift through the turn sideways, but that technique scrubbed speed. Also, the vague gear lever hampered downshifting into second. You won’t, however, find another car that extracts more performance from just 220 horsepower.

 

[BioBanker]

But an Elise/Exige cannot be imported according to RIV. Doesnt make sense, but you cant. I think CDN Elises/Exiges have a temporary exemption for bumper requirements that maybe dont extend to US cars.

 

[swbatte]

But an Elise/Exige cannot be imported according to RIV. Doesnt make sense, but you cant. I think CDN Elises/Exiges have a temporary exemption for bumper requirements that maybe dont extend to US cars.

You are right. But you could buy it and just track it. PITA though. I like driving my 'track' car home at night.

 

[BioBanker]

Look at THIS ONE

$70k asking. Bet it goes for $60k in the fall. Gentry has a yellow one for $85k that will prob sit and sit and sit till they sell it on the cheap too.

 

[BioBanker]

Sean, I think that in spirit you're right about the ideal track cars being a GT3 or a CTd NSX, but both cars have downfalls.

If you go frequently enough, and youve got nuts, unlike Stu who has a vagina, everyone will bump up against the safety thing within a few years. At that time will you put a cage in your NSX or GT3? While I agree that NSXs are incredible track cars, I think they're a poor choice for a more dedicated track car because they're aluminum.

 

[swbatte]

Agreed, I think with the whole 'tracking thing' there are a couple of lines that can be crossed.

The first is when your skill as a driver outpaces your car's abilities so you buy a faster, track appropriate car (NSX, GT3, Corvette, Lotus etc) and enjoy that.

The next line usually occurs when someone realizes buying a used BMW or Porsche with a cage, brake upgrades and fuel cell is cheaper than the supercharger for their Lotus, NSX or Corvette. Or they are driving very fast and/or competitively, at which time those mods become a requirement. This also leaves their baby safe and sound at home. There's a performance advantage to these dedicated race cars to on a dollar per dollar basis.

If I tracked all the time, I'd go the route Daria and Stu have. For now, I have a total blast driving the NSX.

 

[BioBanker]

Me too.

 

[Red]

If you go frequently enough, and youve got nuts, unlike Stu who has a vagina, everyone will bump up against the safety thing within a few years.

At that time will you put a cage in your NSX or GT3? While I agree that NSXs are incredible track cars, I think they're a poor choice for a more dedicated track car because they're aluminum.

I have BIG ones, thats why I moved up to a caged car - so I can race it - putting my money where my mouth is - especially so I wouldn't have to blame getting passed by ME in the back straight on my new wittle tires.

Agreed, I think with the whole 'tracking thing' there are a couple of lines that can be crossed.

The first is when your skill as a driver outpaces your car's abilities so you buy a faster, track appropriate car (NSX, GT3, Corvette, Lotus etc) and enjoy that

Skill rarely outpaces cars - a great driver in a shitty car can beat an average driver in a great car - especially in corners - its about skill

The next line usually occurs when someone realizes buying a used BMW or Porsche with a cage, brake upgrades and fuel cell is cheaper than the supercharger for their Lotus, NSX or Corvette. Or they are driving very fast and/or competitively, at which time those mods become a requirement. This also leaves their baby safe and sound at home. There's a performance advantage to these dedicated race cars to on a dollar per dollar basis.

Thats the ticket - my car cost more than a SC for an NSX, but that was my choice, I could get a dedicated, caged, race car with all the gear for the cost of a SC installed and running.

If I tracked all the time, I'd go the route Daria and Stu have.

Yes, great minds agree - but it is all about fun

Me too.

Even Dave has fun being relatively fast in his little intermediate run group!:wink:

 

[BioBanker]

Stu - is it true that you were at Track Vixens event yesterday?

 

[Red]

Stu - is it true that you were at Track Vixens event yesterday?

Talk about "laying" down "rubber"(s) - I had the BEST time with those fast women.

Remember, Testa Rosa means Red Head - It almost turned into a big sleep-over party they kept calling me Track Stud, whatever that means. (this one girl kept asking me to late apex her)

Funny they asked after you too, I don;t know why they call you tink

 

[Daria]

Instructor. Mario. He was the best instructor Ive ever had.

I too have had some good instructors at the GVC schools.
Here's one from the last school ...

http://www.gvc-bmwcca.org/Movies/DrivingSkool.mpe

 

[swbatte]

Remember, Testa Rosa means Red Head - It almost turned into a big sleep-over party they kept calling me Track Stud, whatever that means. (this one girl kept asking me to late apex her)

Funny they asked after you too, I don;t know why they call you tink

I keep getting asked to overtake from behind! Silly track vixens. Everyone knows you overtake on the inside.