How much is this car worth in these times?

I haven't looked at Canadian cars for a long time meaning a couple of years but that's about 7000 cheaper then it would have been two years ago if it is of Canadian origin. My guess would be that you could bargain a bit since there probably ain't much buyers out there.
There's a 94 Black/Black 5speed with 96000KM for sale in Vancouver:

http://www.affinityauto.com/class/display.html?id=365#

How much do you guys reckon this is worth? Or how much could I expect to get it for :tongue:

However much that it is worth I still have to deduct the price of any major servicing that's not done (eg timing belt) from that right?
 
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To determine the true value of this car you would need a proper inspection bt someone very farmiliar with the NSX - and as much history as is available , only then could you find out .
If you have any questions you can call me and I can help you out with it .

As an example , if the car really is a mint canadian car (and I don't mean east coast) and no accidents etc. , it may be worth the asking price (or within a couple thousand)

OR:
a rebuilt or similar condition (ie. BAD) - or US import it could only be worth 20ish.
 
I would suggest that is very fair.
This is based on the visual condition.
A personal inspection, drive, history and then finally a looksee by Angus would verify this and I would drop the cash.
Some people like the nsx-t, i don't need that option so i would not have a problem buying this car once it checked out.
Trev
 
To determine the true value of this car you would need a proper inspection bt someone very farmiliar with the NSX - and as much history as is available , only then could you find out .
If you have any questions you can call me and I can help you out with it .

As an example , if the car really is a mint canadian car (and I don't mean east coast) and no accidents etc. , it may be worth the asking price (or within a couple thousand)

OR:
a rebuilt or similar condition (ie. BAD) - or US import it could only be worth 20ish.

What's wrong with east coast or US import..?:confused:
 
I think the price is reasonable. I would expect the owner to have priced it to leave room for some negotiation especially if the major service isn't done (which is a must).

Nothing wrong with E coast cars or US cars. US cars just don't have the right speedo or DRLs. Maybe some E coasters drove their cars in the winter, but this would be rare, and most would be stored in the winter keeping the mileage down lower than year round drivers.
 
The price is fair for the year and condition assuming original CDN issue.
 
I keep seeing 91's on sale on autotrader for ~28-30k CAD, and I thought NA1's had virtually no depreciation assuming good condition...so I concluded that 91s and 94s wouldn't have too big of a price difference, but I was mistaken:rolleyes:
 
Be careful assuming that a car advertised in autotrader is market price for that year. Many of the autotrader cars are rebuilds or in terrible shape, which makes THAT SPECIFIC CAR worth much less.

A strong and clear 91-94 is probably worth $35-$40k. IMO. But its only worth what someone wants to pay you for it!
 
Thanks guys for the heads ups :smile:

The dealer's that's selling this car offers an interesting option...leasing.
If the depreciation of a good 94 is minimal, like 5% per year, leasing the car could mean payments of 5% of say $39000 (what they're asking for) a year.

$1950 + interest and tax a year would feel like such a steal for an NSX:biggrin:

What thoughts do you guys have on that?
Personally I think the dealer would set the leasing residual value to much lower than what it really is, ruining the point.
 
WHAT?

I guarantee that the dealer wont lease the car for $150 a month.

My advice is to look for the car you want first, then work on its price.

If you start looking for a cheap NSX, you're going to end up with the wrong NSX. Find the car you want and then buy it as cheaply as possible.
 
If the car is truely a 10/10, the price is fair.

More realistically, there is a story to tell.

I personally wouldn't pay more than $30K if I were in the market. It's winter, and you know the dealer probably paid $20-25K for that car at auction.

And most importantly, because I'm cheap, and there are dozens of nice clean comparable cars in the states for $25-30K US.

Paying a premium for a 'canadian' car doesn't make sense to me.
 
Thanks guys for the heads ups :smile:
The dealer's that's selling this car offers an interesting option...leasing.
If the depreciation of a good 94 is minimal, like 5% per year, leasing the car could mean payments of 5% of say $39000 (what they're asking for) a year.
$1950 + interest and tax a year would feel like such a steal for an NSX:biggrin:
What thoughts do you guys have on that? Personally I think the dealer would set the leasing residual value to much lower than what it really is, ruining the point.

Sure, they'll lease it to you. Probably at 12%. Specialty lease rate by 3rd party.

$39,900 and the residual is going to be around $10,000-12,000. Remember, book value on these cars is only ~$17K.

So expect a payment of about $820 plus tax.

The general consensus around these parts for these cars is that if you can't afford to pay cash, you probably can't really afford it. That might sound harsh, but I don't think too many people out there that should be financing 15 year old cars for almost a grand a month.
 
What's wrong with east coast or US import..?:confused:


Nothing ,
It just seems that around here , people seem to shy away from US or back east cars , even from out of province at all or up north!
Therefore they generally sell for less -

In fact I KNOW there is nothing wrong with any of the aforementioned type of vehicles - good condition is good condition, I also don't find anything wrong with a salvage title - AS LONG AS you are sure that the damage was repaired correctly and 100% , for example , I know of many examples where a salvage car is in better shape than a clean title car.
There are many reasons for this , one example is I have a customer with over $20k damage done to his car , and the car is REALLY MINT, another guy has a clean title car from Quebec, it looks terrible, but CLEAR TITLE!

You really need to look at each car on a case by case basis , and you really need to LOOK!
 
Sure, they'll lease it to you. Probably at 12%. Specialty lease rate by 3rd party.

$39,900 and the residual is going to be around $10,000-12,000. Remember, book value on these cars is only ~$17K.

So expect a payment of about $820 plus tax.

The general consensus around these parts for these cars is that if you can't afford to pay cash, you probably can't really afford it. That might sound harsh, but I don't think too many people out there that should be financing 15 year old cars for almost a grand a month.

Heh of course you should be able to afford the car in cash. I just thought it would be great if somebody could pull off something like that:tongue:

Back to that idea though...if the book value for these cars is ~17k, how do they justify charging you 39k??? Or I guess dealers only quote numbers when it's to their advantage:mad:

Nothing ,
It just seems that around here , people seem to shy away from US or back east cars , even from out of province at all or up north!
Therefore they generally sell for less -

In fact I KNOW there is nothing wrong with any of the aforementioned type of vehicles - good condition is good condition, I also don't find anything wrong with a salvage title - AS LONG AS you are sure that the damage was repaired correctly and 100% , for example , I know of many examples where a salvage car is in better shape than a clean title car.
There are many reasons for this , one example is I have a customer with over $20k damage done to his car , and the car is REALLY MINT, another guy has a clean title car from Quebec, it looks terrible, but CLEAR TITLE!

You really need to look at each car on a case by case basis , and you really need to LOOK!

Ahhh ok Angus, it's the people not the cars then.

Maybe I will go look at this car after winter
 
Remember, book value on these cars is only ~$17K.
Where the hell are you getting this number from? The NSX is specifically not in any black book, red book, gold book, blue book, etc. because of it's limited nature. Price is set by market value/demand. There isn't a single insurance company that would claim the value of the NSX is 17K. That's simply absurd. I don't have a private appraisal on my '91 and my policy will pay out for replacement value which is more in line with the mid 30's low 40's depending on year, condition, and aftermarket components if any.

I personally wouldn't pay more than $30K if I were in the market. It's winter, and you know the dealer probably paid $20-25K for that car at auction.

And most importantly, because I'm cheap, and there are dozens of nice clean comparable cars in the states for $25-30K US.

Paying a premium for a 'canadian' car doesn't make sense to me.
Again I am finding myself suggesting to another prospective buyer to then quit with the semantics about the car in question and put their money where there mouth is and go south to purchase an NSX. Yes deals can be had. Expect a few more things that I know you certainly have thought about with your commentary on a CDN car not carrying a premium.

Add current conversion rate for CDN/USD is $0.82 on the dollar - 21% with the days buy and sell rates.
Add 6.2% duty on any car older than 1993....
Add provincial tax on top of all the above for all provinces except for Alberta
Add GST @ 5%

Purchase from a private CDN seller and you can do away with all of the above adds. Purchase from a deal and you will still be stuck with the GST and PST depending on what province you are located in.

Find a US car with high mileage (because they are more likely to be able to drive it more months of the year that those in Canada) and you are likely to pay low to mid 20's. Assuming 25K USD, that works out to $30.5K after exchange, $32.4K after duty, $34K after GST, ?? if PST is applicable, and then to top it all off, a nominal $1-1.5K USD to transport it if you don't live close to the sellers location, plus brokerage efforts of $500.00ish, and out of province inspections @ $200.00.

In the end the CDN ride will more than likely have less mileage and already be
registered in the province you reside.

I've purchased 5 of my last 6 rides from the US in the past 8 years. The NSX was the only one I purchased in Canada for the exact reasons noted above.

JM $0.02.
Tim
 
US cars are worth more in the US than a CDN car and CDN cars are worth more in Canada than US cars. Period.

I would have no issue about purchasing a US car myself, but I happened to end up with a Cdn car and was happy to pay Canadian car prices for it because:

1) When (if) I go to sell it, I will sell it for Canadian car prices, not US,
2) Im the first owner of the car, from the dealer,
3) I didnt have the hassel of flying all over the US looking for a car to buy that I KNEW was good, and
4) I didnt have the worry of buying a car that I THOUGHT was good over the phone.

At the very least, if you buy a US car, you're taking a significantly greater risk that the title has been washed than you would if you bought a Cdn car. There are many reasons why US cars are less expensive here. These are some of them. I know many people who found incredible deals on great cars in the US.
 
US cars are worth more in the US than a CDN car and CDN cars are worth more in Canada than US cars. Period.

I would have no issue about purchasing a US car myself, but I happened to end up with a Cdn car and was happy to pay Canadian car prices for it because:

1) When (if) I go to sell it, I will sell it for Canadian car prices, not US,
2) Im the first owner of the car, from the dealer,
3) I didnt have the hassel of flying all over the US looking for a car to buy that I KNEW was good, and
4) I didnt have the worry of buying a car that I THOUGHT was good over the phone.

At the very least, if you buy a US car, you're taking a significantly greater risk that the title has been washed than you would if you bought a Cdn car. There are many reasons why US cars are less expensive here. These are some of them. I know many people who found incredible deals on great cars in the US.
More good points indeed.
 
On the other hand....

With some research and a flight to check the car personally, I bought a car that I would never have been able to find and afford in Canada.
 
Where the hell are you getting this number from? The NSX is specifically not in any black book, red book, gold book, blue book, etc. because of it's limited nature. Price is set by market value/demand. There isn't a single insurance company that would claim the value of the NSX is 17K.

Your information is incorrect, of course the NSX is listed in a variety of wholesale/retail books. When you say blue book you're referring to Kelley's
which is the best known:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelley_Blue_Book

You can play with it online, kbb.com and yes you'll notice the NSX has values listed for all years. Insurance definitely has their own set of values. Just for kicks, you should look into it. Ask your agent them what book value they have listed for your car. You may be shocked.

Just for the record, I'm a licensed auto broker in Ontario. I can tell you for a fact that right in this soft market book value means just about nothing when it comes to buying and selling. Most dealers are offering 50-60% of the book value for trades. The market is DEAD.

That's simply absurd. I don't have a private appraisal on my '91 and my policy will pay out for replacement value which is more in line with the mid 30's low 40's depending on year, condition, and aftermarket components if any.

You might want to double check on that with your policy holder. Although most will pay replacement value, your premiums are based on their book value of the car (which I bet is $15-20K). When you try to get replace it for $40K, they are going to take issue with that. The idea being that they charged you a monthly premium under the assumption that your car was somewhere near the book value. If you're saying your car is worth double book value, you'd need an appraisal to prove it. And they'll raise your rate appropriately.

Add current conversion rate for CDN/USD is $0.82 on the dollar - 21% with the days buy and sell rates.
Add 6.2% duty on any car older than 1993....
Add provincial tax on top of all the above for all provinces except for Alberta
Add GST @ 5%

Purchase from a private CDN seller and you can do away with all of the above adds. Purchase from a deal and you will still be stuck with the GST and PST depending on what province you are located in.

You're on the right track, but some of the above is off:

Yes, there is a dollar exchange rate to consider.
Yes, there is GST on a dealer purchased car (the example here is a dealer anyways)
Duty is 6.1% on foreign build cars, doesn't matter the age.
Provincial tax (8% in ontario) going to be paid on both private and dealer sales. So yes, buying from a dealer in Canada will cost you 5% more.

Find a US car with high mileage (because they are more likely to be able to drive it more months of the year that those in Canada) and you are likely to pay low to mid 20's.

There are lots of high and low mileage cars in the states to pick from. 10x more cars were sold in the states so I see it as the opposite - a much larger pool of choice to find your year/colour/mileage preference.

Assuming 25K USD, that works out to $30.5K after exchange, $32.4K after duty, $34K after GST, ?? if PST is applicable, and then to top it all off, a nominal $1-1.5K USD to transport it if you don't live close to the sellers location, plus brokerage efforts of $500.00ish, and out of province inspections @ $200.00.

As long as you compare apples with apples. In the example shown, assuming asking price he would have paid $39,900 + GST/PST which is ~$45,198 plus transit if he's not close.

From the states, assuming $25K, your going to pay conversion plus duty/GST/PST+ ~$200 RIV if it's a 94. With a 93, there is no RIV.
That's ~$36,000 canadian + transit costs.

So the US car is almost $10,000cdn cheaper, but a little more work to get.

I've purchased 5 of my last 6 rides from the US in the past 8 years. The NSX was the only one I purchased in Canada for the exact reasons noted above.

I'm not saying Canadian cars shouldn't be considered. I just said I wouldn't personally pay a premium for a car just because it was originally from Canada. Personally, I'd rather have the $9,000 (~20% savings) and drive the US car.

But to each his own...
 
Wow, you said Tim is wrong!!!
Ouch.
Something I would not do.
Trev
 
Kelly Blue Book is US not CDN. Please point out which book recognized by the CDN insurers and dealers has the NSX in it.

6.1% vs 6.2% is semantics. The point remains valid.

My math was very much meant to support purchasing a car second hand vs. from a stealer. The extra your calc's are adding are specific to unnecessary third party costs of dealer reconditioning (croc for a ride like this), mark-up/profit to keep a dealers doors open and pay off the employees and their listing fees to advertise. There also isn't any provincial or federal tax on a used automobile purchased via private sale.

I live in Calgary and there is NOTHING close to it from a US perspective without travel. Therefore right off the top it's a 1-1.5K proposition to purchase ANY car that isn't in Calgary or neighboring communities. The RS6 I just purchased was in New York, NY. It cost $1400USD to get it across the states to WA, and another $1K for me to go get it and bring it back. This was on top of the taxes and duties paid. Those in Ontario have access to a plethora of automobiles so the costs of travel don't come into play.

Taking the points I was making you would not remain ahead. Anyway it's your choice as you seem to be citing it's better to purchase this type of a ride from the US vs. Canada. Just do it and lets quit debating the matter.

Tim

PS I purchased my '91 5 years ago for $47K. I was the third owner and the purchase came with the entire service history and all maintenance purchases. Car was a 10 out of a 10 w/ 64000kms. Currently it has been updated with various items regularly done by many owners that like to track them (brakes, sways, tires, rims, coil overs, clutch, etc.) I'm currently insured with replacement cost right now of 48K CDN. In my case that is without a private third part appraisal....
 
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There also isn't any provincial or federal tax on a used automobile purchased via private sale.

You live in Calgary where there is no PST. In every other province, I believe you pay the provincial tax on private party car sales. Ontario and Quebec I can say for 100% sure you do.

I reply with more later, I have to do some boxing day shopping ;)
 
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