Honda's new sport car concept

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Idea for Honda's new sport car concept

A new Honda sport car should be modeled after the Volkswagon GX3. It is wonderful concept shown at the LA autoshow. With Honda's motorcycle and auto background, there can be no other company better equipped to make a better vehicle at a lower price. While I like the GX3 vehicle, No one will care for VW quality.

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vol...icle_1647.shtml

While this is no NSX, it will have the purest of driving feel. I think Honda would be too shy to be the first to enter this market. This three wheeler market has potential and the vehicle is classified as a motorcycle. Look at the number of Honda 2 wheelers out in the market today. These represent loyal owners ready to spend.

As a Honda car and Motorcycle owner, I'm ready to throw $$ at a Honda 3 wheeler because of the very pure driving experience of a vehicle weighting only 1000 lbs and without all the weight penalities of a modern 2 seater sports car. Yet this is safer than a motorcycle. Many of us are disappointed at how sports cars now are all getting too heavy (except Elise) and some of us no longer care for the high risk of riding a motorcyle, hence a 3 wheeler would be perfect. And nothing can be better than one built by Honda.

Specification: Built it with at least a 1000cc Motorycle Engine (from CB1000), tune it for more low range. Put in the sequenatial motorcycle transmission. Preserve the pure driving exprience via Manual steering, non-vacume assist brakes and a huge rear wheel. However, Honda need to add VSA since One of the inherent flaws of the 3 wheeler is that once it oversteers, it is next to impossible to recover. That's the only reason for VSA, as a safety measure.

Make it cheap. Take as many parts as you can from existing motorycle and car parts bin. Design a new frame and a few chassis componets with wheels and you are done. Sell it for $18K to compete with VW and I'll be asking where do I sign.
 

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Looks just like a t-rex to me



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http://www.go-t-rex.com
 
Re: Idea for Honda's new sport car concept

I spent some time talking with a driver/racer of the 3 wheeler called T-Rex. Conceptually it is very similar to the VW, but very aggressively tuned with the Kawasaki ZX-12 engine. He has taken the vehicle on many tracks and susposely keep up with the best four wheelers from Italy. (I presume it was a tighter track course). Note this is not your Harley Davidson converted to a 3 wheel trike with twitchy handling that will toss you if you turn too fast at speeds. The converted Harley is one wheel in the front with 2 in the rear. Day and night difference between a 1+2 wheel configuration versus a 2+1.

I asked him about the driving dynamics and he said it drives like a car that is 1000 lbs. The shifter is from the Kawasaki so Neutral is between 1st and 2nd gear and it has 3 foot pedals like a car. It is an open element car and makes you feel very much a part of the environment with the wind blowing and the engine screaming behind the driver seat. It is 50 states legal because it is classified as a motorcycle. According to this racer, it is very stable at 150mph.

The main challenge was that with a single rear wheel, a power oversteer will be difficult to recover and you can forget about drifting. Dynamically speaking, I can see that 2 wheels vesus one wheel in the rear provides more wide spread rubber to the ground to help recover from an oversteer condition. Even though the current one rear wheel is wide, 2 wheels spread out will provide more stability, especially for recovering from a skid. This is where Honda can bring in their establish hardware by adding VSA and allow limited oversteer before VSA kicks in to prevent the vehicle from doing a 180 spin.

A French company showed a similar concept of a 3 wheel vehicle a year or two ago. It was very racy and seats 2. This is definitely a market that Honda has the know-how to capitalize on if they get some balls to market it and bring back the pure driving experience without adding technologies or buffers that shelter the driver from the driving experience.
 
Tricycle? lol
 
Ive always wanted a t-rex actually i told myself the only thing i would own besides the nsx is a t-rex, the aww effect is more than a ferrari, there about 3.9 to 60 stock and can easily be modded. ive seen some with nitrous. not one turboed yet tho it would be a blast. but it has a top speed of about 150 and is a two seater. If i didnt live in maine i would own one. there just to impractical.
 
I want one of these.....
 

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My friend helped design that VW (an automotive designer for Audi). That vehicle is being released next year. You will need a motorcycle license (its going to be classified as a bike). The earlier press said its going to cost $17K, but the design team is working very hard to make the base model price at $15K.

VW supplies the motor and interior, but they are outsourcing the chasis to none other than Lotus. So its going to be a weird lotus/vw hybrid.
 
steveny said:

You must be talking of this W12 shown on the VW concept page. I likey too!!

<img src=http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/albums//Volkswagen/Concept%20-%20Design/Concept%20Cars/W12%20Coupe/01.jpg>

<img src=http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/albums//Volkswagen/Concept%20-%20Design/Concept%20Cars/W12%20Roadster/06.jpg>
 
That VW proto must be like 10 years old. lol, i remember years and years back it sitting on one of the auto shows here in holland. Never took off.
Dunno the current status though, but i dont wanna be found dead in that. omg... a vw....
 
DutchBlackNsx said:
That VW proto must be like 10 years old. lol, i remember years and years back it sitting on one of the auto shows here in holland. Never took off.
Dunno the current status though, but i dont wanna be found dead in that. omg... a vw....

Boo to you. VW makes some great autos.
 
Green light

I’m not sure if anyone caught this, but Edmunds believes the GX3 will make it to production (the article is below; pictures and video can be found in the link below). Although the specs suggest it will not be nearly as intense as a Honda-powered Atom, it sounds very cool and certainly has a number of advantages: Less than half the price of a US Ariel Atom, presumably street-legal off the lot in all states, and without hacks like the Atom's toggle switch turn signals, etc.

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Insider: Volkswagen's Three-Wheeler GX3 Headed to Production
Date posted: 03-15-2006

LOS ANGELES — At the recent Los Angeles auto show in January, Volkswagen had a most unusual concept car on display — a three-wheeler or trike called GX3.

Until now it was a question of how the show car would be accepted by the public, and apparently the acceptance was good. Because here are first prototype pictures of the road-going version, caught during secret testing at Lotus in England, which is quite a sensation.

It is powered by a 1.6-liter, four-cylinder engine delivering 125 horsepower. Due to the light weight of the vehicle it is almost as fast as a Porsche 911. The GX3 accelerates from zero to 62 mph in 5.7 seconds, fuel consumption is 1.4 gallons/62 miles and top speed is 124 mph. It has rear-wheel drive and a six-speed manual transmission.

However, while a Porsche costs $71,300 in the U.S., the GX3 could be available at $17,000. A cooperation between Volkswagen and Lotus — the latter owned by Proton, Malaysia — could mean that the odd three-wheeler made by Volkswagen and Proton-Lotus is meant to be sold not only in the U.S. but worldwide.

The test car on the photos is in various ways different from the concept model. It is furthermore equipped with different types of alloy wheels for testing plus two extra supporting wheels on the side.
 
the people's car...

steveny said:
I am a huge VW fan.

Ya' don't say... :biggrin:

- VW Toureg (w/ GermanGremlins, as per your post re: service visits)
- VW Phaeton (cross-country trek to acquire the worst-selling, best built/designed/engineered car in the world!)
- Audi A4 Cabrio (uh huh?!?)

Maybe a Veyron in the future?!? :tongue:
 
The Edmunds article I mentioned above stated that the GX3 will be built. Now, Automobile magazine agrees and has some interesting details: Working with Lotus to develop the suspension and steering, components shipped to America for final assembly, possiblity of lauching a junior brand through which the vehicle would be sold, etc.

Check out what VW executive, Wolfgang Bernhard, said:
In America, almost everybody owns a Jet Ski, a snowmobile, or an ATV. It's a huge market for specialty vehicles, and we want a share of it. VW would benefit from a new product that isn't mainstream and not available from a rival company.
Going back to Silver F16's original proposition for Honda to build such a car - the market Mr. Bernhard speaks of sounds like a perfect fit for Honda (being established and very successful in it).
 
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