Honda please wake the f*ck up!

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The Evora is the spiritual succesor to the NSX and I had been seriously considering it as a replacement for my Elise. Ultimately it was the fragile Lotus body (and the excessive price) that brought me back to an '02+ NSX. It should be a pretty cool car and an interesting niche (low hp supercar). One that the HSC would have filled nicely. Oh well....
 
I hate to say this about the Holy Grail, but I don't think that Honda is interested in racing or sports cars any longer. If you dig into their marketing programs, you will find that they have forsaken our type of performance for a green definition of performance. It's clear that they want to be the greeenest, most earth friendly car manufacturer in the world and that that doesnt jive with wasting precious earth resources on go fast actvities like F1 and NSX type cars. They will probably come back with an S2000 type car someday, but it will have a Prius-like power package. O.

As for me, I'll take that Lotus and high performance, gasoline burning engines. Call me a dinosaur.
 
If you look at the Cayman, it has NSX stats also and it has been successful. Honda just sucks lately.

Throw a Z06 motor in the NSX and you have a Pagani Zonda for under $100K :)
 
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If you look at the Cayman, it has NSX stats also and it has been successful. Honda just sucks lately.

Throw a Z06 motor in the NSX and you have a Pagani Zonda for under $100K :)

Agreed as those were my exact thoughts when the Cayman first came out.

Hey now there's an idea. Anyone know how a much a Z06 motor goes for ..LOL
 
Perry is right. In terms of platform sharing and technology overlap, Honda has plenty to draw from to keep costs down.

The NSX chassis/suspension is so well tuned and designed that it can be continued with a few weight-saving tweaks here and there.

The J-series V6 is now a well-developed power platform that is compact, fuel-efficient and reliable. If Honda gives it the C30A treatment (DOHC, titanium rods, 6-bolt mains, ITB or revised induction, 8000rpm valvetrain), the 3.7L can deliver 300-350 reliable whp easily.

There never was anything wrong with the NSX 6-speed, so that can be re-used, or the 6-speed (with different gearing) from the new TL-S, to save money since it already matches up with the J37. For the bling factor, offer a F1-style semi auto as a $5000 option...maybe import the stillborn ASCC V10 box since the R&D is already done.

The body is just sheet metal. Honda can stick with aluminum or use steel/carbon fiber to save $. Use the HSC as a base and work in the classic NSX design cues (side vents and integrated rear spoiler). Some folks on this forum have already done so with impressive results.

Honda can also use the HSC as an opportunity to update known NSX issues, namely the brakes, oiling system and interior.

Using all of this existing technology, R&D can be kept to a minimum but still produce a car that will drop jaws with its looks and be competitive on the road course. Nissan did it with the GT-R (except for the looks part lol), so Honda certainly can do it with the NSX.

The idea of a $200k V10 hyper-car is just ridiculous from a marketing and sales standpoint, especially in this economic climate. But, there is still a sports car market out there to be tapped. People are still buying Corvettes, Caymans, 911s, Shelby Mustangs, M3's, etc. That should tell you where the sweet spot is - $50k to $75k, which incidentally is right where the original NSX was aimed. Bring in a 300whp J37 modernized NSX at $60k and it will move units because it will accomplish what the original NSX did - VALUE. You get a whole lot of car for less money. That sells cars. People stopped buying the NSX because at $90k it was no longer a value. They started buying the C5 Vette instead because it was.

After the initial marketing splash, do a 320whp Type S the next year at $65k and then a balls-out 370whp Type R at $75k to satiate the mag racers and Best Motoring fans. Do the typical Honda 4 year refresh, keep the prices firm and watch them roll off the line.

You can even keep the green marketing strategy. The J-series is a very efficient engine on the low cams. Hell, you can show the NSX tearing up Suzuka, "0-60 in 4.5 seconds" and then show it quietly cruising on the highway "30 mpg". "Who says you can't have your cake and eat it too? The new NSX, from Acura. Advance." There you go, free commercial from me. :) And/or make it E85 compatible. There is money to be made here. Ugh, it's so easy... like throwing darts at the side of a barn, come on Honda, wake up!
 
Perry is right. In terms of platform sharing and technology overlap, Honda has plenty to draw from to keep costs down.

The NSX chassis/suspension is so well tuned and designed that it can be continued with a few weight-saving tweaks here and there.

The J-series V6 is now a well-developed power platform that is compact, fuel-efficient and reliable. If Honda gives it the C30A treatment (DOHC, titanium rods, 6-bolt mains, ITB or revised induction, 8000rpm valvetrain), the 3.7L can deliver 300-350 reliable whp easily.

There never was anything wrong with the NSX 6-speed, so that can be re-used, or the 6-speed (with different gearing) from the new TL-S, to save money since it already matches up with the J37. For the bling factor, offer a F1-style semi auto as a $5000 option...maybe import the stillborn ASCC V10 box since the R&D is already done.

The body is just sheet metal. Honda can stick with aluminum or use steel/carbon fiber to save $. Use the HSC as a base and work in the classic NSX design cues (side vents and integrated rear spoiler). Some folks on this forum have already done so with impressive results.

Honda can also use the HSC as an opportunity to update known NSX issues, namely the brakes, oiling system and interior.

Using all of this existing technology, R&D can be kept to a minimum but still produce a car that will drop jaws with its looks and be competitive on the road course. Nissan did it with the GT-R (except for the looks part lol), so Honda certainly can do it with the NSX.

The idea of a $200k V10 hyper-car is just ridiculous from a marketing and sales standpoint, especially in this economic climate. But, there is still a sports car market out there to be tapped. People are still buying Corvettes, Caymans, 911s, Shelby Mustangs, M3's, etc. That should tell you where the sweet spot is - $50k to $75k, which incidentally is right where the original NSX was aimed. Bring in a 300whp J37 modernized NSX at $60k and it will move units because it will accomplish what the original NSX did - VALUE. You get a whole lot of car for less money. That sells cars. People stopped buying the NSX because at $90k it was no longer a value. They started buying the C5 Vette instead because it was.

After the initial marketing splash, do a 320whp Type S the next year at $65k and then a balls-out 370whp Type R at $75k to satiate the mag racers and Best Motoring fans. Do the typical Honda 4 year refresh, keep the prices firm and watch them roll off the line.

You can even keep the green marketing strategy. The J-series is a very efficient engine on the low cams. Hell, you can show the NSX tearing up Suzuka, "0-60 in 4.5 seconds" and then show it quietly cruising on the highway "30 mpg". "Who says you can't have your cake and eat it too? The new NSX, from Acura. Advance." There you go, free commercial from me. :) And/or make it E85 compatible. There is money to be made here. Ugh, it's so easy... like throwing darts at the side of a barn, come on Honda, wake up!

Agreed plus by using the J series you can keep the cost of updates down since it's shared. The costs for SHAWD are already shared so biggest cost on this car would be the platform. The 6spd auto or 6spd manual like you said could be shared from the TL.

Come on Honda just update that HSC platform and body and slap a J series in:biggrin::biggrin:
 
I hate to say this about the Holy Grail, but I don't think that Honda is interested in racing or sports cars any longer. If you dig into their marketing programs, you will find that they have forsaken our type of performance for a green definition of performance. It's clear that they want to be the greeenest, most earth friendly car manufacturer in the world and that that doesnt jive with wasting precious earth resources on go fast actvities like F1 and NSX type cars. They will probably come back with an S2000 type car someday, but it will have a Prius-like power package. O.

As for me, I'll take that Lotus and high performance, gasoline burning engines. Call me a dinosaur.

You just said everything I've been thinking and didn't want to say out loud because it makes me sad. :frown: Except I'll never take that lotus. Why would you? Same performance as the NSX and the NSX looks WAY better.
 
Wake the F... up is right!!!

You guys are too kind!

It's been for a while that I was thinking of creating a thread named:

FUC.K YOU HONDA


so I am with you.


The NSX was relatively green, one of the rare exotic you could purchase and avoid paying the gaz guzzler tax.

Being green is all about efficiency and offering a true supercar that would set standards in emission levels as well as fuel consumption would make a very strong statement for their complete product line.


So, from an ex loyal Honda customer and long time NSX owner who actually daily drives a TL, dear Honda, I repeat:

FUC.K YOU HONDA


I want to apologize for being that crude but sometime things have to be said that way ...
 
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Gordon Murray said this and it couldn't be more ironic considering the ASCC

However, during that time, in Honda’s philosophy there was a resistance to large engines with many cylinders. I am not certain, but probably at the time, the voluntary restraint on power limits was a factor. Being a fan of Honda engines, I later went to Honda’s Tochigi Research Center on two occasions and requested that they consider building for the McLaren F1 a 4.5 liter V10 or V12. I asked, I tried to persuade them, but in the end could not convince them to do it, and the McLaren F1 ended up equipped with a BMW engine.

LOL Flash forward how many years and Honda built a 4.5L V10
 
Perry is right. In terms of platform sharing and technology overlap, Honda has plenty to draw from to keep costs down.

The NSX chassis/suspension is so well tuned and designed that it can be continued with a few weight-saving tweaks here and there.

The J-series V6 is now a well-developed power platform that is compact, fuel-efficient and reliable. If Honda gives it the C30A treatment (DOHC, titanium rods, 6-bolt mains, ITB or revised induction, 8000rpm valvetrain), the 3.7L can deliver 300-350 reliable whp easily.

There never was anything wrong with the NSX 6-speed, so that can be re-used, or the 6-speed (with different gearing) from the new TL-S, to save money since it already matches up with the J37. For the bling factor, offer a F1-style semi auto as a $5000 option...maybe import the stillborn ASCC V10 box since the R&D is already done.

The body is just sheet metal. Honda can stick with aluminum or use steel/carbon fiber to save $. Use the HSC as a base and work in the classic NSX design cues (side vents and integrated rear spoiler). Some folks on this forum have already done so with impressive results.

Honda can also use the HSC as an opportunity to update known NSX issues, namely the brakes, oiling system and interior.

Using all of this existing technology, R&D can be kept to a minimum but still produce a car that will drop jaws with its looks and be competitive on the road course. Nissan did it with the GT-R (except for the looks part lol), so Honda certainly can do it with the NSX.

The idea of a $200k V10 hyper-car is just ridiculous from a marketing and sales standpoint, especially in this economic climate. But, there is still a sports car market out there to be tapped. People are still buying Corvettes, Caymans, 911s, Shelby Mustangs, M3's, etc. That should tell you where the sweet spot is - $50k to $75k, which incidentally is right where the original NSX was aimed. Bring in a 300whp J37 modernized NSX at $60k and it will move units because it will accomplish what the original NSX did - VALUE. You get a whole lot of car for less money. That sells cars. People stopped buying the NSX because at $90k it was no longer a value. They started buying the C5 Vette instead because it was.

After the initial marketing splash, do a 320whp Type S the next year at $65k and then a balls-out 370whp Type R at $75k to satiate the mag racers and Best Motoring fans. Do the typical Honda 4 year refresh, keep the prices firm and watch them roll off the line.

You can even keep the green marketing strategy. The J-series is a very efficient engine on the low cams. Hell, you can show the NSX tearing up Suzuka, "0-60 in 4.5 seconds" and then show it quietly cruising on the highway "30 mpg". "Who says you can't have your cake and eat it too? The new NSX, from Acura. Advance." There you go, free commercial from me. :) And/or make it E85 compatible. There is money to be made here. Ugh, it's so easy... like throwing darts at the side of a barn, come on Honda, wake up!

Too bad we can't have people like this working for Honda.
 
When was the last time I visited an Acura dealership? 2005 -the year Acura killed the NSX and IMO sealed it's doom. Won't surprise me if they never wake up.
 
This is a really great thread, with really good ideas. Anyone know anyone at Honda we can forward this too? :redface:

Better still how about an open public letter to Honda that they can't miss. Anyone have any ideas on that?
 
Better still how about an open public letter to Honda that they can't miss. Anyone have any ideas on that?

A few years ago I brought the idea of asking the popular car magazines to write an article about the disappointeness of a lot of car enthousiasts angry about the fact that Honda is not upgrading the NSX and incidently not preparing the second generation.


We should put our efforts together and let Honda knows that we are waiting for a real NSX successor.

Not only us but a lot of car enthousiast in this world.


We should make a petition and try to be heard via reputable car magazines.


I love this thread:
Honda, please, wake the FUC.K UP !!!
 
I'm sure someone here at 'Prime has some connections. Or how about someone start a webpage specifically for this? Put the HSC and it's different renditions people have come up with right there on the homepage, telling Honda that's what we want.
 
For me there's only ONE next exotic i will LOVE OWN, in like 8 years, it will come in 2011 on the low 200K's ... so i could be able to find a used one in 2016 for a good price ///

HELL, you can even REBADGE this car with HONDA logos and NSX badges:

McLaren P11
mclaren-p11-2010.jpg


carpix--mclaren-p11-talvitesteiss.jpg


mclarenp11.sw1.kgp.ed_opt.jpg



that is THE NEXT NSX that never came ... even looks like a natural evolution of our car ..

F**K honda ...

Oscar
 
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The problem is not that a HSC-derived NSX wouldn't be profitable. In my earlier post, I argued it could be done through a Nissan GT-R style platform sharing program. The real problem is that Honda believes its new business direction will be more profitable. Honda has made a strategic business decision to abandon the sports car segment of the worldwide auto market in favor of becoming a leader in green, fuel-efficient vehicles. It is a boardroom level decision that is geared toward making the shareholders happy. Right now, Honda thinks they can make the most dollars per share through the Toyota business model, which says that you focus your platforms and R&D on reliable, fuel-efficient people movers.

To maximize your profit in this new business direction, you have to get rid of the useless money pits like the M/R NSX, which does not share a chassis or engine with any other current Honda, and the S2000 for the same reason. Also forget about the R/R Acura V8 platform. Formula 1 has to go too, and I'm quite frankly surprised that Acura didn't bail out of the ALMS series.

All the money Honda saved will be put into hybrid Civics and Accords and the new Insight. These are the face of the new Honda. Welcome to the revolution. :rolleyes:


I'm sure someone here at 'Prime has some connections. Or how about someone start a webpage specifically for this? Put the HSC and it's different renditions people have come up with right there on the homepage, telling Honda that's what we want.
 
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All the money Honda saved will be put into hybrid Civics and Accords and the new Insight. These are the face of the new Honda. Welcome to the revolution. :rolleyes:

Revolution eh? The French had one of those. They cut the leader's head off along with those of their immediate family to prevent self serving leaders from sitting on the throne ever again. French artists then sculpted the heads of the decapitated royal members and proudly displayed it in a public place in Paris.
 
I think it is pretty much obvious that if you want to current day supercar, you have to abandon Honda. They abandoned us. Only fair.
 
The Evora is the spiritual succesor to the NSX and I had been seriously considering it as a replacement for my Elise. Ultimately it was the fragile Lotus body (and the excessive price) that brought me back to an '02+ NSX. It should be a pretty cool car and an interesting niche (low hp supercar). One that the HSC would have filled nicely. Oh well....


Low hp supercar is an oxymoron... unless you add "seriously lightweight" to the equation. I'm sorry but the Lotus just doesn't impress me. Maybe 15 years ago it would have, but when you have Colbalt SS's and Hyundai Genesis Coupe's (306 hp) in your rear view, it's time to turn up the juice. Even the Mustang GT is 315 hp and a little lighter these days.

I'm sorry, but paying a lot of money for the simple fact that your car isn't mass produced isn't enough any more. You have to prove your worthiness in some other way. Either by a great looking design, great features, a beautiful and well built interior, etc. The R8 is a great example of this concept. The car cost about $120,000, but the performance isn't all that impressive. But the car "looks" great, it's made by a respected company for the brand whores, the interior is hot, it has a transparent engine bay, and it has great build quality.
 
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