Gas powered...

[Animate]

Good news in Autoweek, (although source wasn't cited):

Quashing a rumor
Attention, NSX fans: Despite what many have heard, you won’t have to rush out and stock up on the remaining inventory before the next model bows. Suggestions that Acura’s next-generation supercar will have a hybrid powertrain are unfounded. Hybrid systems—even those tuned for performance—still can’t provide the kind of constant acceleration most sports car drivers crave. And hybrid systems continue to pose a weight problem. Acura’s sports car will remain gas-powered only. Expect something like a 3.5-liter V6 with 300-plus horses, sequential shifting, six-pot Brembos and other performance goodies.

 

[NetViper]

Good news except the 300+ horses. If it said 400+ Horses, I would be all excited.

 

[FF Drifter]

Good news in Autoweek, (although source wasn't cited):

Quashing a rumor
Attention, NSX fans: Despite what many have heard, you won’t have to rush out and stock up on the remaining inventory before the next model bows. Suggestions that Acura’s next-generation supercar will have a hybrid powertrain are unfounded. Hybrid systems—even those tuned for performance—still can’t provide the kind of constant acceleration most sports car drivers crave. And hybrid systems continue to pose a weight problem. Acura’s sports car will remain gas-powered only. Expect something like a 3.5-liter V6 with 300-plus horses, sequential shifting, six-pot Brembos and other performance goodies.

What's wrong with a well-tuned hybrid system AWD system? I was hoping such a system could give Honda an edge in the now-crowded market. Sequential shifting? I hope it's a true manual and not a wannabe TL TypeS-ish application. And 3.5L? That better be a C-block...

 

[steveny]

With the price of gas, I was kind of hoping for a hybrid.

 

[CJB]

I wouldn't mind having the option to have a F1 type paddle shifters.

 

[Jimbo]

FFDrifter,

There has been many posts as to why a hybrid system wouldn't make sense for a car such as the NSX.

Basically it comes down to the fact that the systems can't recharge efficiently enough to give you more than a lap or so around a track. Then you're carrying dead weight.

You can do a search for more info.

This is good news, IMO.

I didn't buy an NSX to be an ecomony car and to get really good gas mileage. And the new one's probably going to cost 100K. I don't think too many potential NSX customers are worrying about mileage and economy.

 

[FF Drifter]

I'll look into that ~ thanks (good point).

If there is an option for F1 style-shifters/sequential manual, I hope it is exactly that: an option. Some people still like true clutch-and-stick ~ I hope Honda never forgets that.

 

[soon2own]

okay, autoweek says gas, upcoming Japanese mag says hybrid

http://www.insightcentral.net/archives/news01022601.html

take your pick, place your bets

 

[Wickeddeus]

FFDrifter,

There has been many posts as to why a hybrid system wouldn't make sense for a car such as the NSX.

Basically it comes down to the fact that the systems can't recharge efficiently enough to give you more than a lap or so around a track. Then you're carrying dead weight.

You can do a search for more info.

This is good news, IMO.

I didn't buy an NSX to be an ecomony car and to get really good gas mileage. And the new one's probably going to cost 100K. I don't think too many potential NSX customers are worrying about mileage and economy.

Where are you getting the proof that it doesn't recharge efficiently? I didn't see proof of this in the other tread either.

 

[NetViper]

okay, autoweek says gas, upcoming Japanese mag says hybrid

http://www.insightcentral.net/archives/news01022601.html

take your pick, place your bets

Other information from this article included:

The engine is said to be a V6, contrary to previous rumors of a V8 or V10.
The engine is said to use Honda's new i-VTEC variable timing valvetrain technology.
The engine is said to displace around 3.4L.
Horsepower is said to be around 350hp.
Torque is predicted to be around 289 lb-ft.
Transmission is said to continue to be a 6 speed manual.
Dimensions are predicted at 4300mm x 1800mm x 2500mm (L x W x H), with a wheelbase of 2500mm.
Price is estimated at about 8,000,000 yen.

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If it only has 350HP and it is a hybrid, that is a TOTAL loss. It will fail misserably.

A 3.4L engine that makes 350HP is at best OK, but if it is 350HP total with the hybrid, that is PATHETIC.

Let's hope this is VERY VERY wrong.

 

[DocL]

Honda needs to get going with the displacement and horsepower with the new NSX. The new C6 has 400hp, the new Mustang 300hp, and even though the Elise only has ~200hp it weighs nothing and goes like stink. Furthermore, all the aforementioned cars are going to sticker for under $50k.

I'd be hard pressed to lay down $100+k for a car that clearly isn't comparable to an F or P-car.

Just my $.02 worth.

 

[NetViper]

Honda needs to get going with the displacement and horsepower with the new NSX. The new C6 has 400hp, the new Mustang 300hp, and even though the Elise only has ~200hp it weighs nothing and goes like stink. Furthermore, all the aforementioned cars are going to sticker for under $50k.

I agree 100%.

FYI the new 911 will have a water-cooled flat-six engine that is expected to grow in capacity to 3.8 liters and produce around 350 hp. "

You can imagine what the Turbo will put out and at 3.8L the NA GT3 will make 401 HP.

If Honda is going to get in the game, they better step up to the plate.

 

[Arata]

The one piece of info that is still missing, and in my opinion most important is what will it weight.
If it has 350HP, a flat power curve and weights 2500 to 2700lbs.
what else is in that range?

 

[Jimbo]

Where are you getting the proof that it doesn't recharge efficiently? I didn't see proof of this in the other tread either.

Proof?

Firstly, what I said was that hybrids don't recharge efficiently for more than a lap or so around the track. Big difference.

Secondly, rather than go into a long-winded physics dissertation...

Have you ever driven a hybrid auto?

They rent them at a few locations around the country.

You might want to rent one for the experience. Granted, the hybrids out there aren't NSXs but you can get a very good idea of the technology and what it is capable of. Rent one and drive it and brake it a just a bit aggressively and see how long the battery will last.

True, they could make some improvements to regeneration, battery life and capacity - but nothing that would make a substantial difference.

-Jim

 

[NSX/MR2]

The HSC will have enough power to beat the C6, but not against the proposed new ZO6. The only argument that I will have is, since the ZO6 has so much hp, it will be a bitch to hook up. Therefore, can be beaten from a stop (good HSC driver in a drag race.) However, from a roll, the HSC is screw. Remember that power is relative, you need to be able to deliver your cojone to come out with a win.

 

[ajnsx]

first you need a real car to actually test in real time before any real answers can be ascertained.

 

[ChopsJazz]

The HSC will have enough power to beat the C6, but not against the proposed new ZO6. The only argument that I will have is, since the ZO6 has so much hp, it will be a bitch to hook up. Therefore, can be beaten from a stop (good HSC driver in a drag race.) However, from a roll, the HSC is screw. Remember that power is relative, you need to be able to deliver your cojone to come out with a win.

Where did you get these facts?!?

 

[NSX/MR2]

Where did you get these facts?!?

I should have added the words "I think" before that statement. I based my statement on how the face-lifted NSX fare against the C5 and the ZO6 as of now (we will worry about the next geneartion later.) I also based it on some talk in mags of the proposed hp figures out there for all three cars.

 

[red_MM_nsx]

I was at the dealer today getting my NSX serviced and they said (I'm not sure if I believe them) that their information is the next NSX will be a 380HP NA 3.5L engine. They also said the price would be lower than the current NSX (maybe $75K).

Only time will tell.

 

[MWest]

IMO, if the HSC doesn't weigh any more than the current NSX and has 250hp/289 ft/lb torque, then I'll be happy with it. Of course they need to fix that butt-ugly back end.

Sure, the 360 Modena has more HP but at $150k+ and less than stellar reliability. The Corvettes and Porsches are way too common for me. The Viper is a beast but you either love it or hate it.

I'd have to say the Elise would be fun and the new Ford GT would be awesome but both need to be available first.

You gotta admit, the NSX was pretty well engineered when it came out and it still turns heads.

Marc

 

[NetViper]

IMO, if the HSC doesn't weigh any more than the current NSX and has 250hp/289 ft/lb torque, then I'll be happy with it.

Marc

hmm.... I think you mean 350HP.